More info about Type IX and Type XXI

[Scorpion®]

Can we get more information about the newer types of ubots such as the Type IX and Type XXI?

In one of the development journals it was mentioned that these ships would appear as DLC.

Is this announcement still valid and can we find out about the progress of work on them, if any?

I admit that I would love to play on the Type XXI.
What are the plans for newer structures? Will there be an option to take command of them a little earlier than they actually enter service? Because historically they have done basically nothing.

The vision of a bit of a sandbox with new equipment is also interesting, maybe not from the very beginning of the conflict, but let's say from 1943?

[Red_Seven_]

They mentioned they 'would like' to work on those sub types as possible dlc AFTER the full release.

I would expect the progress to be at 0% currently since we're balls deep in the beta while getting new patches almost daily. Also the pledge to be interested in working on these subs can also mean we'll never see them. This is most likely tied to the sales of the game.

[Alex Paen (ljekio)]

Adding a boat isn't just about adding an exterior model, it's also about designing the interior, and that's a lot of work. One way or another, most of the action at sea was carried out by the type VII. My wish would be to complete the already finished type II and make for it two areas of application - Baltic and the Black Sea.
Although what am I saying, today even the Mediterranean looks like a desert, there is still a lot of work to be done there.
I would also like to see armed transports at the historical time of their appearance, so that they would no longer be such easy prey.

[ramjbjb]

Originally posted by Alex Paen (ljekio):

One way or another, most of the action at sea was carried out by the type VII

That's highly debatable, to say the least. The type VII for sure was the most numerous (it was smaller and cheaper to build, so it was built in much larger numbers), but the type IX was more succesful. The whole "2nd happy times" would've never happened without Type IXs in german inventory, for instance. And the Type IXB sub-class alone averaged more than 100.000 tons of sinkings on average. So they had to carry (and they did) a LOT of the action at sea indeed.

The type II in comparison was a mere anechdote, as the immense majority of the boats served only as training units and never carried a proper war patrol. Yet it's in the game. There's little or no valid reasoning that excludes the Type IX from the game, and as a matter of certain priority (the first DLC this game gets, if it gets any, pretty much MUST be a Type IX).



Now, I understand what you say: finish the game first, include the type IX later. But any game that labels itself as "Uboat" pretty much has to include the Type IX in it's lineup in order to be credible. I get that the work involved in bringing them into the game is a lot indeed, and I fully understand and support the idea of making it a DLC. But, as long as the game is succesful and sells enough to warrant DLC at all, that DLC is not an option. It's a must have.


Side benefit is that with the extra revenue from the DLC, they can spend more resources in filling those areas you're finding currently wanting and empty, because it increases the market life for the game (with the DLC, with sales of the base game plus DLC in bundles, etc), increasing both the resources and the motivation for the developer to work on the game for as long as possible. At the time of selling the game it's a MUCH stronger argument to say "you can play the type IX after you get this DLC" than "see, we included a very minor and restricted theater of operations as the black sea in the game"



And answering the thread's topic... Well, plain to see that I think a Type IX down the line (At least one of the submodels) is pretty much a must have. As for the Type XXI....well I already mentioned it in other thread: vessel would be OP as all hells and I don't see the rush in including it given the type's total lack of action during the war. On the other hand it would sell like cookies and would increase the marketability of the game tenfold...with the side effects avobe mentioned of giving the developer a lot of incentive and resources to keep on improving the game for a longer time after release. Definitely not a must-have but I do see the utility.

[Alex Paen (ljekio)]

I simply compared the workload required, the increase in content from finishing the existing one and a completely new project for years.

[Red_Seven_]

Originally posted by ramjbjb:

Well, plain to see that I think a Type IX down the line (At least one of the submodels) is pretty much a must have. As for the Type XXI....well I already mentioned it in other thread: vessel would be OP as all hells and I don't see the rush in including it.

For most people favoring the type XXI over any type IX variant it just boils down to one point: a different way to play the game. While a type IX would most likely just play like a type VII with additional fuel/range a type XXI would allow a completely different approach at attacking die to its design and capabilities.

Paying for extra fuel on a sub would feel like paying for a weapon skin in any of the popular fps games to me.

I'd even prefer the type II (if it wasn't already in the game) over a type IX just because it plays differently.

[[XIII]Opsec]

I've always been a fan of the Type VIIB, my personal favorite, probably because I've spent the the most time in one across all Uboat simulators I've played.

[StuKa]

I'd be really surprised if either DLC is beyond the planning stages. Wait until the game fully releases.

[Bleu]

Honnestly they have to keep working on Type VII, because it is a mess, wrong things and texture mess, proper historal painting, and refreshed texture outside, The VIIB is a total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, no teeth, no external anti aircraft gun on deck , bugged coning tower, Type II, is SO innacurate, that i just don't want to play it

[Scorpion®]

I don't expect that the Type IX and Type XXI have already started work or are not even my priority. I prefer a more polished game over this, just like most of you. I'm happy with the constant progress on the current state of the game and the almost daily bugfixes for the beta.

Type II requires a different approach, as someone has already mentioned, and exactly the same applies to Type XXI in my opinion. I don't mean the ship to be invincible and all that. But Type XXI allows you to play completely differently. Besides, this is a game based quite heavily on historical data. I admit that I would love to play a version where the war is still going on and both sides are still conducting an arms race and introducing new technologies.

After all, it's a game, wouldn't it be nice to have a sandbox-like option? This is already a strong abstraction, but still :D

With this post, I rather wanted to find out whether the developers' previous suggestions about Type IX and Type XXI are relatively up to date?
I know they have a lot of work to do right now and I like that. This is a question for the future.

[rickywild]

Maybe let's have a Los Angeles class in 1941 instead of XXI in 1943? Just because why not? xd

[Battleshipfree99]

Originally posted by Red_Seven_:

For most people favoring the type XXI over any type IX variant it just boils down to one point: a different way to play the game. While a type IX would most likely just play like a type VII with additional fuel/range a type XXI would allow a completely different approach at attacking die to its design and capabilities.

Yeah. But I'd vote for IX B/C for more boat variation through 1941-1943. Current beta has a lot to upgrade in 1939-1941, and then we are in a VII C. Since VII C/41 was out in 1943 historically, It would be cool if IXs may be added to fill in this gap.
Besides, I reckon DEV has some future plans for "South Atlantic operations". North Atlantic operations are packed up into "Atlantic Operations", so "Attack on Aruba" and "Weather Station: Labrador" might be later packed up into another operation.

[wirrora]

I'm so sick of it. It's really tragic that the devs are listening to the "community" and adding more and more bling bling to the game without finally fixing the core mechanics.

The AI ​​in the convoy attack needs to be completely reworked and is totally broken. But it's definitely fun to watch the destroyer escort messing around in a XXII...