Confusion about task+shift plan and conflict with explicit orders.

[ждун]

Some of you may have been confused why the officers ignore their planned tasks and continue doing something forever. I was also confused first, but i think i have now an idea why is that happening and how to get them following the plan.

First thing to understand is that explicit orders (the orders that you order yourself using TAB menue) always override any task and shift plan. When an officer receives an explicit order he will continue doing that order until exhausted and ignore planned tasks and shift times. He will not go to bed when planned and he will not pick up any other task from task plan.

Second, the officers will follow the shift plan and pick up tasks from task plan only when they have no any explicit order, basically when they have nothing else to do.

EDIT: you can see when the officer is doing explicit order (and not following the plan) by thin orange outline around the task next to his portrait (thanks Ruby)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2081683795

EDIT2: Also when an officer is selected it is indicated in the selection view in the bottom left corner what he is doing. When it is an explicit order the background is solid green, when he is following the task plan the background is shaded. (Thanks Harag)



Does it mean that task plans are useless?
NO! You can release an officer from doing an explicit order forever manually. You can do it in multiple ways.

1. Select officer who is doing explicit order directly given by you. Then RIGHT CLICK on the Task in the bottom left corner right above his name.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2081997330


2. Select an officer who was given explicit order, click on "send to rest" button TWO TIMES in the officer selection view. I mean not the "go to bed" explicit order, but the bed button in the bottom left corner when you have an officer selected. The first click will remove current explicit order and give sleep order. The second click will remove the sleep order leaving the officer without any task. Then he is free and picks up next task according to his task priorities and to his shift plan. He may go to bed, if he his shift is over and he is planned to sleep.
EDIT: Be aware this does not work on officers who received direct order to sleep.

3. Second option is to select an officer who was given explicit order, change to first person view, click on "Release from station" button. This will also remove any current task and free the officer. Then he continues following the shift plan and picks up next task from task plan.

4. Select an officer doing explicit order and right click on the ground next to him ordering to walk there. It removes current task. When he arrives there he will be left without any task and will continue with his task plan.

All these methods work, i find the first option better though since you can do it from anywhere and don't have to change current view.

Second option is the fastest one, this makes an officer instantly turn to his task plan, for all other options they stay doing nothing for about 5 seconds before they pick up task from task plan. But the second option will not work for officer who was directly ordered to sleep.

[Cruelfate]

Wow, thanks for the information.

[Harag]

Excellent post... I'm sure it will help a lot of people.

#3 - I found is to select the officer and tell them to walk to a location... they go and stand for a little bit then carry on doing their schedule.

[Gee Wiz]

thank you very much ,really helpful post.

[ProsPex]

Excellent! Thanks for the insights.

[ждун]

Originally posted by Harag:

Excellent post... I'm sure it will help a lot of people.

#3 - I found is to select the officer and tell them to walk to a location... they go and stand for a little bit then carry on doing their schedule.

Yes this works too.

[Prophet_01]

Has anybody figured out how saylors interact with the shift plans? I've tried a few different things, to assign crew to specific offciers while having everyone else on regular shifts, but this gets super messy.


EDIT:
I think I fugred out some of the stuff.

With 18 crew, I assigned 6 to each shift. Then I assign 2 crew to each officer.

->crew now automatically assigns itself to officers as they need them. If an officer is in bed, they do not assign to that one. Seems to work reasonably well, but a bit confusing.


Update:
Things got weired quickly as crew doesn't seem unassign itself when individual shifts end. They just kept working alongside the officers while other members are running around idly. Atm I have 12 or so crew on duty with those settings.

I tried to sync crew through micro-plans for each officer now, but that doesn't work either, since crew shifts just reset themselves and can't be customized...

[ждун]

@devs

I propose to add "Release from station" button on officer selection view in the bottom left corner. This button is currently it is on first person view. This will allow to free an officer from doing explicit order from anywhere.

Also i propose to somehow indicate that an officer is doing explicit order instead of following the task plan. In example having the explicit task highlighted with red or yellow color. That means that the task will be performed until exhausted or released manually.

[WolfvonSohl]

It would be helpful for example if you could chance shifttimes. So you would be able to create your own shifts.
But for me changes of the shifttimes do not work! ( the coloured squares )
Any ideas?

[Prophet_01]

Originally posted by WolfvonSohl:

It would be helpful for example if you could chance shifttimes. So you would be able to create your own shifts.
But for me changes of the shifttimes do not work! ( the coloured squares )
Any ideas?

They work for officers, but for crew they just reset. I wasn't able to get a proper sync between crew and officers so far. The automatic assignment/unassignment for crew seems to be broken or it's so complicated that I just don't get it.

Shifts for officers seem to work though.

[Harag]

Originally posted by WolfvonSohl:

It would be helpful for example if you could chance shifttimes. So you would be able to create your own shifts.
But for me changes of the shifttimes do not work! ( the coloured squares )
Any ideas?

When you make the amendments click the "tick" on the left side - I think that saves it down. However I've not changed the shift times so I could be wrong.

[uber.aegis]

From the limited time I had on b127 I noticed that if officers had sailors assigned those sailors were added to the 6 already scheduled on shift ie they were supposed to be resting. This sort of ties in with morale decrease as those sailors are having top work an extra shift helping an officer in addition to then working their own shift.

[Harag]

Originally posted by ждун:

Originally posted by Harag:

Excellent post... I'm sure it will help a lot of people.

#3 - I found is to select the officer and tell them to walk to a location... they go and stand for a little bit then carry on doing their schedule.

Yes this works too.

IMPORTANT INFO:

I have just noticed something which will help a lot I think...

When you select an office that is doing a task - e.g. radio room - bottom left corner it says "Work - Radio room (1/2)"... Look at that green box area.

-------------------
# If the BOX has Shaded Lines on it then that is a task the worker is doing from his schedule.
# If the box is SOLID green - that is an explicit order you have told the officer to do, so they are no on their schedule anymore at that point
-------------------

Not very clear I know but it looks like that's the difference -- not sure if it was like that prior to B127 though. Might have been.

[ждун]

Originally posted by Harag:

IMPORTANT INFO:

I have just noticed something which will help a lot I think...

When you select an office that is doing a task - e.g. radio room - bottom left corner it says "Work - Radio room (1/2)"... Look at that green box area.

-------------------
# If the BOX has Shaded Lines on it then that is a task the worker is doing from his schedule.
# If the box is SOLID green - that is an explicit order you have told the officer to do, so they are no on their schedule anymore at that point
-------------------

Not very clear I know but it looks like that's the difference -- not sure if it was like that prior to B127 though. Might have been.

hm interestning, ill check that out. Thanks for sharing.

[Ruby]

Originally posted by Harag:

Originally posted by ждун:

Yes this works too.

IMPORTANT INFO:

I have just noticed something which will help a lot I think...

When you select an office that is doing a task - e.g. radio room - bottom left corner it says "Work - Radio room (1/2)"... Look at that green box area.

-------------------
# If the BOX has Shaded Lines on it then that is a task the worker is doing from his schedule.
# If the box is SOLID green - that is an explicit order you have told the officer to do, so they are no on their schedule anymore at that point
-------------------

Not very clear I know but it looks like that's the difference -- not sure if it was like that prior to B127 though. Might have been.

HI,

# If the box is SOLID green - that is an explicit order you have told the officer to do, so they are no on their schedule anymore at that point


Officers with directly commands have an orange circle. Officers without direct command have no orange circle. This is not new.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2081683795
Cheers Ruby

[[6thAL]Vol.kaboki]

Originally posted by Ruby:

Originally posted by Harag:

IMPORTANT INFO:

I have just noticed something which will help a lot I think...

When you select an office that is doing a task - e.g. radio room - bottom left corner it says "Work - Radio room (1/2)"... Look at that green box area.

-------------------
# If the BOX has Shaded Lines on it then that is a task the worker is doing from his schedule.
# If the box is SOLID green - that is an explicit order you have told the officer to do, so they are no on their schedule anymore at that point
-------------------

Not very clear I know but it looks like that's the difference -- not sure if it was like that prior to B127 though. Might have been.

HI,

# If the box is SOLID green - that is an explicit order you have told the officer to do, so they are no on their schedule anymore at that point


Officers with directly commands have an orange circle. Officers without direct command have no orange circle. This is not new.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2081683795
Cheers Ruby

Had no idea, so thats how to check wether they are on shifts or not, thanks, very helpful. The devil is in the details for sure:p