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GrumpyTanky Jun 30, 2019 @ 5:53pm
Aircraft, night time, and adverse weather...
Not being funny...

But after 28 years of reading history books, I find myself hard pressed to find stories where U-boats on the surface had to dive to avoid allied aircraft during the twilight hours and days that invoked fog, and or adverse weather...

If anything, night time and fog on a calm sea was ideal, 'surface and let the diesels rip weather'...

I just got smoked by a plane again, at night, with a foggy overcast... Not being funny, but historically this is massively inaccurate... Please fix it pretty please... Cheers!
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El Rushbo Jun 30, 2019 @ 5:59pm 
Radar development made nighttime just as dangerous as daylight. Even more so as you're less likely to see the plane coming until it's too late.
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GrumpyTanky Jun 30, 2019 @ 6:01pm 
in '45 ish... and these didnt work great at the best of times... and personal aircraft mounted radar was dispersed by waves... amongst other things...
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GrumpyTanky Jun 30, 2019 @ 6:01pm 
Fog being a big one...
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GrumpyTanky Jun 30, 2019 @ 6:02pm 
Fog still farks up modern tech like laser range finders on tanks... First/Last returns etc...
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𒀀𒂵𒉡𒆠.n0 m3rCy☣☠ Jun 30, 2019 @ 6:31pm 
NERF THOSE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ PLANES! <-- There, fixed it for you.

There was no tech available to the allies in 1941 that would allow a plane to 1. come out of nowhere (Sound..?) in a dive hitting your perfectly 2. in the middle of the atlantic 3. AT NIGHT TIME. now fix it. - Bugs arent game breaking, this ♥♥♥♥ is.
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GrumpyTanky Jun 30, 2019 @ 6:45pm 
I prefer your method of overt thumping...

I was just trying to stave off the trolls... lolz!!!
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El Rushbo Jun 30, 2019 @ 8:25pm 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASV_Mark_II_radar
It wasn't really until the summer of 1942 did airborne radar really take it's toll on U-boats traveling at night. Also the use of ULTRA transmissions enabled the allies to locate U-boats and hunt them down with more effectiveness than regular direction finding. (Also led the Germans to mistakenly believe their Metox radar detector gave off a signal that the Allies could track)
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CellNav Jun 30, 2019 @ 11:31pm 
Originally posted by DerPanzerGraf:
Not being funny...
But after 28 years of reading history books, I find myself hard pressed to find stories where U-boats on the surface had to dive to avoid allied aircraft during the twilight hours and days that invoked fog, and or adverse weather...

The war (campaign) hasn't really been developed yet. Data sheets has all the "stuff" (pretty much) but it's not complete or fine tuned. At the moment, we are all experiencing (game wise) stuff being thrown at us without really any rules, per say.

I'm pretty sure somebody is going to throw two nasty letters at you as a reminder ... haha.
Yeah, it's begins with "E" ... Eeek!!! (no way!)
And ends in "A" ... Getting my big-A kicked around!
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wolf310ii Jun 30, 2019 @ 11:43pm 
Originally posted by El Rushbo:
Also the use of ULTRA transmissions enabled the allies to locate U-boats and hunt them down with more effectiveness than regular direction finding. (Also led the Germans to mistakenly believe their Metox radar detector gave off a signal that the Allies could track)

ULTRA had nothing to do with detecting the u-boat.
ULTRA was the encrypting of enigma, so the allies could read the orders and know the operation areas. The hunter-killer-groups and air patrols had still need to find them with HF/DF and/or radar.
ULTRA dont led the germans to believe the Metox gave off a signal, the change from ASV Mk II to Mk III did. Metox could not detect the ASV Mk III and a captured british pilot told the germans, with the new ASV would detect the Metox, wich was not true
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GrumpyTanky Jun 30, 2019 @ 11:48pm 
Please keep in mind, what you read from us Allies will be rife with our propaganda too... From vets I have spoken with over the years, and things I have seen... A lot of it was propaganda to scare the Germans into making mistakes...

To date, I have only read very very few accounts from U-Boat commanders, where an aircraft came out of nowhere... and I have never read of a U-Boat being attacked at night or in bad weather by aircraft... Maybe it happened... But I've never read any incidents of this occurring... Lots during the day and in sunny weather... but none at night or in bad weather...
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CellNav Jul 1, 2019 @ 12:11am 
Originally posted by DerPanzerGraf:
To date, I have only read very very few accounts from U-Boat commanders, where an aircraft came out of nowhere... and I have never read of a U-Boat being attacked at night or in bad weather by aircraft... Maybe it happened... But I've never read any incidents of this occurring... Lots during the day and in sunny weather... but none at night or in bad weather...

My only thought ... Dead men can't write stories for history books ... :(

U-boat gets sunk by aircraft at night in bad weather (all hands lost).
Said aircraft gets destroyed while returning to base (all hands lost).
Evidence lost in history ... perhaps ... :(
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CellNav Jul 1, 2019 @ 12:29am 
Another thought ... (historically)

We are playing a sand box game with potential probabilities with loose historical data (that can be corrected) ... however ...

How many ships were sunk in WWII by "hydrophone ONLY" ... then ask the player under night conditions with bad weather IF THEY perform the attack, or not.

Player is more OP than the AI ... AI aircraft only OP part ?(right now), player complains AI is OP before he declares himself OP in a sandbox open world game ... :(
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Goffik Jul 1, 2019 @ 12:38am 
Originally posted by DerPanzerGraf:
... and I have never read of a U-Boat being attacked at night or in bad weather by aircraft... Maybe it happened... But I've never read any incidents of this occurring... Lots during the day and in sunny weather... but none at night or in bad weather...
Perhaps you're reading the wrong books. Allied anti-sub bombers had ASV radar and Leigh Lights which enabled them to attack at night. Before Metox, this combo did indeed allow planes to "sneak up" on unsuspecting u-boats in the dark.

And as someone mentioned above, if a u-boat is found and destroyed then it's crew is hardly going to be in a position to write stories about it...
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wolf310ii Jul 1, 2019 @ 1:59am 
Originally posted by CellNav:
U-boat gets sunk by aircraft at night in bad weather (all hands lost).
Said aircraft gets destroyed while returning to base (all hands lost).

An airplane attack dont leds automaticlly to "sunk, all hands lost"
And that the airplane got lost too, was very rare.



Originally posted by DerPanzerGraf:
To date, I have only read very very few accounts from U-Boat commanders, where an aircraft came out of nowhere... and I have never read of a U-Boat being attacked at night or in bad weather by aircraft... Maybe it happened... But I've never read any incidents of this occurring... Lots during the day and in sunny weather... but none at night or in bad weather...

You reading the wrong books. It happend so often (later in the war, not in '41), that the u-boats change their tactics from running daytime submerged, to running nighttime submerged, to avoid these surprise attacks in the night
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CellNav Jul 1, 2019 @ 2:28am 
Originally posted by wolf310ii:
An airplane attack dont leds automaticlly to "sunk, all hands lost"
And that the airplane got lost too, was very rare.

Yes, now throw that into a sand box game full of mechanics that could potentially allow that and see what happens ... No longer playing history anymore gentlemen.

1. The ASV Mark II was available in 1941, yes?
2. The Sunderland was available in 1941, yes?

Just because history didn't put one-and-two together means ... what?
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