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[Aesir]

So I just started over after rebuilding my pc. Every time I try and leave port for any mission area, I get ambushed by planes. Sometimes its one, and sometimes its two planes. Doesn't matter which route I take, how far I am in the ocean, it still happens. And seeing as how my anti air does nothing now, and how long it takes to even start to dive, there's no point in playing this game. It had real promise. But your updates don't seem to change anything with the planes. If anything, its made them worse. This game had so much promise. I might come back to it in a year or so. If the planes haven't changed by then, I'll leave my two cents in a review. Until then, I'm deleting the game. I will say I am a little pissed off at you devs. Its few and far between when I start a new game and then all of a sudden I can't even do the first part of it. I wish it was the tutorial. Sandbox is broken with planes that come out of no where. If you want video proof, then yeah I can do that. You won't like what I say about you during the video though. Especially after reloading the save from port before ever leaving over 5 times tonight. You devs really disappointed me with how you have brought so much aircraft to bear within the coding of the game. I wish you well, but if things don't change in a year when I come back to test it, you've lost a customer for life. And I'll take my friends with me. Hope you get it fixed.

[DankNoodles420]

They did change the accuracy of the planes on the unstable branch

[Earl of Doncaster]

Did you leave port at night or submerged?

[Penfold]

They do need adjusting but look up real Uboat losses to Aircraft. They became a massive threat. For now when you spot a contrail get out of there and dive away fast.

[Andreasrex1987]

This partly due to the fact that they want to include the option of choosing the start date for a new campain. Then it will be more realistic to how anti-submarine warfare developed. Also the current patch on the unstable branch does change the accuracy of the planes as mr danknoodles said.

[MAFiA™ Em]

The main killer of Uboats during the war was the aircraft. Radar+range = Bad news for the Uboat. Not helped by BDU's tendency to request and require frequvent radio updates. Because every time the Uboat went active on the radio. British Costal command ususally had a plane on the way towards that location inside of minutes.

[C. Justice]

The diving time....is easily doable now thanks to the already decreased difficulty in dealing with planes. Early on your AA gun will do nothing tbh and the AI I wouldn't rely on shooting it down.

When you tech up, you will still be ineffective but slightly better in terms of the gun itself against the aircraft. That being said that is as it should be because realistically, the chances of a U-boat taking down any plane with a good pilot and common sense is minimal.

Plus they would not really stay on the surface to engage it, diving is and was the way to go. Simply change course and hope for the best :)

I am sure the devs will make some tweaks to AI accuracy and so on but I personally would NOT want to be able to shoot down everything I see with next to zero challenge. When you do manage to amazingly shoot down a plane it is the most satisfying and intense moment :P

[Vanguard(Aqua)]

Originally posted by Lieutenant A.Kouassi:

The diving time....is easily doable now thanks to the already decreased difficulty in dealing with planes. Early on your AA gun will do nothing tbh and the AI I wouldn't rely on shooting it down.

When you tech up, you will still be ineffective but slightly better in terms of the gun itself against the aircraft. That being said that is as it should be because realistically, the chances of a U-boat taking down any plane with a good pilot and common sense is minimal.

Plus they would not really stay on the surface to engage it, diving is and was the way to go. Simply change course and hope for the best :)

I am sure the devs will make some tweaks to AI accuracy and so on but I personally would NOT want to be able to shoot down everything I see with next to zero challenge. When you do manage to amazingly shoot down a plane it is the most satisfying and intense moment :P

AA guns on ANY Submarine( yes even the us boats for you SH4 players) were mainly on the boats incase the sub couldent dive ( hull damage jammed planes ectra) i dont even think alotta sub crews even trained on em(whereas they regularly trained on the deck guns)

Germany tried to make uboats aa platforms (google the u-flaks or german flak traps) it failed horrendously

Submarines make terriable gun platforms for various reasons

[mutpupit]

This game not for you,,,,Bye

[Rather Useless]

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[Vanguard(Aqua)]

Originally posted by mutpupit:

This game not for you,,,,Bye

guessing thats to the OP and not me?

[HappyLittleCloud]

These posts are a laugh riot.(plane tears) Gotta just be trolling at this point. I played the game a few days ago... encountered about 5 planes over my 3-6 hours of play.

Not a single one landed a shot on me. I encountered them at 5x speed then just paused and gave the orders.

I do not see how turning 90 degrees and diving is so hard. I have a near 100% success rate.

Stop blaming the devs for being bad. There is nothing to fix.

"This game not for you,,,,Bye" +1

[Vanguard(Aqua)]

Originally posted by HappyLittleCloud:

These posts are a laugh riot.(plane tears) Gotta just be trolling at this point. I played the game a few days ago... encountered about 5 planes over my 3-6 hours of play.

Not a single one landed a shot on me. I encountered them at 5x speed then just paused and gave the orders.

I do not see how turning 90 degrees and diving is so hard. I have a near 100% success rate.

Stop blaming the devs for being bad. There is nothing to fix.

"This game not for you,,,,Bye" +1

i typically dont even need to pause and i can evade them radar detectors save lifes ;)

[wolf310ii]

Originally posted by Lofty:

The main killer of Uboats during the war was the aircraft. Radar+range = Bad news for the Uboat. Not helped by BDU's tendency to request and require frequvent radio updates. Because every time the Uboat went active on the radio. British Costal command ususally had a plane on the way towards that location inside of minutes.

No, Aircraft was not the main killer, ships sunk more u-boats.
In the biscaya (the area the coastal command could send a plane inside of minutes), radio silents was very common.
U-boats dont gave every few hours radio updates and the BDU dont request it.
On the way to and from the patrol area, the u-boats gave radio updates if they passed specific points.

Originally posted by Lieutenant A.Kouassi:

That being said that is as it should be because realistically, the chances of a U-boat taking down any plane with a good pilot and common sense is minimal.

Plus they would not really stay on the surface to engage it, diving is and was the way to go.

You know, in RL "good pilot" and "common sense" gives not agility +50, -25% Hitbox, +100 armor, luck +10.

It was not uncommon to stay on the surface and fight if the airplane was to close to dive befor the bombs falling.

Originally posted by Vanguard(Aqua):

AA guns on ANY Submarine( yes even the us boats for you SH4 players) were mainly on the boats incase the sub couldent dive ( hull damage jammed planes ectra) i dont even think alotta sub crews even trained on em(whereas they regularly trained on the deck guns)

Germany tried to make uboats aa platforms (google the u-flaks or german flak traps) it failed horrendously

Submarines make terriable gun platforms for various reasons

The u-flaks failed so horrendously that no u-flak was sunk by an airplane and operated very successfully for 2 months until the RAF develop countermeasures (the airplanes stayed out of range and called for more airplanes and ships), after that they were rebuild back to normal u-boats.

[Bob]

Originally posted by Aesir:

And I'll take my friends with me.

You have that much power over your friends? Damn, I wouldnt follow anyone that way.

[Vanguard(Aqua)]

Originally posted by wolf310ii:

Originally posted by Lofty:

The main killer of Uboats during the war was the aircraft. Radar+range = Bad news for the Uboat. Not helped by BDU's tendency to request and require frequvent radio updates. Because every time the Uboat went active on the radio. British Costal command ususally had a plane on the way towards that location inside of minutes.

No, Aircraft was not the main killer, ships sunk more u-boats.
In the biscaya (the area the coastal command could send a plane inside of minutes), radio silents was very common.
U-boats dont gave every few hours radio updates and the BDU dont request it.
On the way to and from the patrol area, the u-boats gave radio updates if they passed specific points.

Originally posted by Lieutenant A.Kouassi:

That being said that is as it should be because realistically, the chances of a U-boat taking down any plane with a good pilot and common sense is minimal.

Plus they would not really stay on the surface to engage it, diving is and was the way to go.

You know, in RL "good pilot" and "common sense" gives not agility +50, -25% Hitbox, +100 armor, luck +10.

It was not uncommon to stay on the surface and fight if the airplane was to close to dive befor the bombs falling.

Originally posted by Vanguard(Aqua):

AA guns on ANY Submarine( yes even the us boats for you SH4 players) were mainly on the boats incase the sub couldent dive ( hull damage jammed planes ectra) i dont even think alotta sub crews even trained on em(whereas they regularly trained on the deck guns)

Germany tried to make uboats aa platforms (google the u-flaks or german flak traps) it failed horrendously

Submarines make terriable gun platforms for various reasons

The u-flaks failed so horrendously that no u-flak was sunk by an airplane and operated very successfully for 2 months until the RAF develop countermeasures (the airplanes stayed out of range and called for more airplanes and ships), after that they were rebuild back to normal u-boats.

exactly Uflaks failed so bad they made uboat transits worse (by getting more air patrols n such)

the TLDR is this

DIVE WHENEVER YOU CAN ive heard historical accounts that literaly says the same thing ive said "anti aircraft guns on submarines were more a joke then tool,a submarine that cant dive is a dead submarine,as everybody knows its in the area and the enemy typically can close on it faster then it can run away"

submarines are stealth platforms diving is there best defence and will be untill such a time when they cant hide