The game has a huge problem with closet script kiddies.

[🥤ʑ ɨ ł 🌊 ✡🔯☪ bȍgъdȃrъ 👌]

Id play the game way more, but you have these die-hard vets that love the game but use cheats/scripts just to optimize maximum fun. If you call them out on their aimbot/walls/triggerbot they will copy pasta the same excuse they all use: "Ive been playing this game for x amount of years and used to play competitively.". Which a lot of closet cheaters(script kiddies) will say to smell their own farts aka boost their ego in any game.

I want to play this game more religiously but till they do something about the easy accessibility of using scripts then ill be just waiting for Natural Selection 3 or till they add a waaay better protection for some servers.
This script issue only gets worse when it's privately owned public servers and you have owners/admins let it slide for friends or certain players.

Ive been hackusated before in games, Im not posting about players that are better than me or top of the leaderboard, but very very obvious scripters (cheaters) that will dominate a server(s).

Its a very fun and unique type of game which if you are just looking for a "fun time" then try it out, but you will not stay long because a. repetitive content and b. if you are competitive or like competitive gameplay will be pushed out by the cheaters, that you will notice if you are a skilled shooter player. You will notice the cheaters by them being top frag by a gigantic lead, and their ability to never miss; its waaay easier to spot a cheating human than alien but usually the cheater is so cocky they will let the illusion of reality slip.

If you are suspicious, just spectate the player you think is scripting and try to catch them see through walls, have extremely fast ttks or use aimbot.

I only bring this issue up because populated servers are very scares, and imo its not because of the game but the small community of script kiddies that play in an already very small community(natural selection 2).

Again Im not hackusating the good players, but you have to experience 1 player carry a whole game against a huge opposition. Im not talking about the trainee servers either.

[Slobulus]

Maybe...
but don't forget that experienced players can LISTEN to your footsteps. That, combined with their knowledge of the maps, makes them pretty good at anticipating shots.

[Jackson7th]

Dude, all the people you complain about and call "script kiddies" are usually legit good players, and their excuse is totally true and valid.

Since you're making this post, I asusme you don't have a huge number of hours in the game, otherwise you'd know it more and you wouldn't be complaining.
The skill gap between "pros", pubstompers/good players, and casual or rookies IS VERY LARGE. The learning curve for NS2 is high, and it's not rare for new players to be rekt by people who have more skill, experience, map knowledge, map awareness, gamesense, a microphone, a headset, optimized configurations (and I'm not talking scripts here, I'm talking about in-game settings tweaked to give you the maximum edge you can get, like increased FPS, less lights, less atmospherics, different colors for clearer visbility...).

TBH, there are some cheaters probably (but it's a very small ammount of players, probably less than 5 if at all). But the "pros" are also knowledgeable enough to catch the so-called cheaters, and we did on several occasions (one cheater's team was also thrown out of a competition).

Plus, for your last point, big carries are a thing (most T7 orange players are so strong they can, with proper assistance, unbalance a "normal" game). Some dudes can be so strong they make victories or losses on a server.

[🥤ʑ ɨ ł 🌊 ✡🔯☪ bȍgъdȃrъ 👌]

Originally posted by twitch.tv/jackson7th:

*snip/mostly butthurt rhetoric*

I have 85h on NS2 and 8000+h on shooter games. So you trying to white knight nothing just to have a counter perspective or play devil's advocate really means nothing to me. So your sightless "complaining" about my "complaining" is goin to create a spectical, rofl.

I already wrote twice, unfortunately you missed it, that I'm not talking about experienced/skilled players.

"Since you're making this post, I asusme you don't have a huge number of hours in the game, otherwise you'd know it more and you wouldn't be complaining." This is stupidity; hours of game time and experience correlate VERY LITTLE with complaining and closet cheaters in the way you perceive it in your sentence.

The rest of your post reads like Ive never played a shooter which gave me a good laugh.
You also imply with your POV that you are a very naive person to think that less than 5 ppl use cheats on your fav game LOL.

We should not argue about this because you are so biased you will never back down from your firm beliefs about your favorite video game. I will not back down because ironically Ive had this EXACT SAME argument with a closet cheater that used the same overused thinking you reason with. Ive already watched a bit of your stream so I dont think you cheat on camera but who knows what you choose to do off camera. Just to make sure you understand Im not hackusating you.
Anyone can use scripts and if you get good with them you can dumb them down to make you look legit, or you can play with them and already be skilled and experienced so the scripts only give you a nice handicap to have the edge on legit players.

Im just here to warn new players or people that are thinking about buying the game about the very hidden closet community of scripters that take advantage of this game and its community.

You have to be either very naive or lack knowledge to doubt/argue the idea that people can use scripts on a video game; especially since you have about 6000h on shooter games. Id have more hours in NS2 but I play a lot of games and dont have the time to waste. I already have 80h in the game and as a fast learner Ive already done things people with 2000h do in this game, so the game is just something I pick up on the side to have fun; when I do pick up the game Im always on the top of the scoreboard, usually in the top three.

[Jackson7th]

Alright brother, not gonna argue with you because you're right and I'm right. No one here is absolutely wrong. I ain't a hater, and you seem to be reasonable. Usually I don't flame or create drama online because I don't like it, and I also don't want you to believe I'm patronizing or playing the tough guys online because I try to be more genuine than that.

Nonetheless, let me clarify some things for you:

- You're not the first "new player" to complain about cheaters/pubstompers and how they're wrecking everything and everyone.
-We're used to people complaining that other can't be THAT GOOD, that they MUST CHEAT. We've had complains like these for years now, that's why I (and others) just shut you down real quick.
- Your impression that a lot of people cheat (which isn't true) is due to your overall lack of knowledge and experience of NS2. You're still pretty new (85hrs is not a lot for this game), so you don't have enough elements (yet) to accurately tell who is cheating and who isn't, except by spectating everyone to see if they have a wallhack, which at this point is the only thing that is obvious enough for you to see.
- The community is very small, so if blatant cheaters there are, we usually see them. Basically everyone knows everyone else or so, and anyone who stands out a little bit is gonna be well-known, and if they're not, other "strong" members get very suspicious.
- What we have sometimes though, are smurfs. These are common, but it's a different problem.
You can refer to skill badges to see who is very good. The guys with orange badges, purple badges, and sometimes big blue badges are the "strong" guys. If they perform well, it's ok. But if another dude consistently performs too well, he might be a smurf. We can also see that in the way they move and behave, if someone behaves too well for their level; probably a smurf.
- While your point about scripts and stuff is valid (back in the days we had a guy who made a cheat in like 12 hours and tested it IG then reported back LOL), there just isn't much point to do it on NS2.
- Total time =/= experience. You're right on this one mate, all the hours of all the people playing aren't equal. Some dudes have A LOT of hours of experience, and they still suck, while some guys have much less but they're very strong, I've seen that. But since we lack data and better indicators, playtime is still something we give a lot of attention to.
- NS2 is quite a peculiar shooter. While it's still a FPS and things transfer from a FPS to another, you'll find that NS2 is different of other shooters. There's only so much that can transfer from other shooters to NS2. There's like ... 10% of the game? at most? You can't come from CoD and then pick up NS2 and be a god. So yes, still gonna need to learn some stuff !
- " I already have 80h in the game and as a fast learner Ive already done things people with 2000h do in this game". Press X to doubt.
While some people with 2000hrs+ are still trash, most of the ones who do are quite decent at the game. For your information, we still usually consider people with your current (80+) ammount of hours on NS2 to be rookies. Now, I could be patronizing, but I'd love it if you could prove me wrong and show me what you can do. Time to shine, because the recent update buffed the marines a lot.

TL;DR
-Skill gap is huge between players
-Pubstomping is a thing
-Don't wave your arms screaming "cheaters!" every round
-If cheaters are real, they're an extremely minor problem (smurfs being more common)

[TinyTusk]

its genuinly unlikely that a game with such a nieche player base would have a lot of cheaters, the small playerbase already know everyone and if someone is suspected of cheating well thats a quick ban across most servers

[Bezumny Ded]

Originally posted by twitch.tv/jackson7th:

Dude, all the people you complain about and call "script kiddies" are usually legit good players, and their excuse is totally true and valid.

Don't trust jackson. He is script kid if he doesn't understand how Phase gate OP for marines and has to be nefred.

[Shiro]

Originally posted by 🥤ℙƶчК👌:

] I have 85h on NS2 and 8000+h on shooter games..

just want to clarify that having 8k hours at shooter games may mean you know how to shoot, and how to spot cheater who you spectate. That's it. No less and no more. Please be more humble about it.

I will not assume which games you played, but I can guess they mostly focus on shooter aspect - quickly spotting, aiming and hitting target. If you refined those aspects, then you can kill enemies very well and spot players with uncanny performance - most likely cheaters, although godlike-talented pro player is also technically possible, can't confirm 100% without spectating

In NS2 shooting aspect is important - but is not primary focus. Basic rifle has natural spread and can't oneshot enemy anyway so sniping is less meaningful with it, while bites and swipes have decent hitcone (making not terribly difficult to achieve very good accuracy with some training). Spotting enemy thru walls is possible with sounds and just prediction works very well too. Other aspects might also differ.

As such, there is way too many things to be covered by mere aimbot/wallhack and similar stuff. Cheats do exist and at least some pro players were caught using them - but they were only caught after their POV videos were carefully analyzed, and players using them were very experienced even without cheats. In any match you will not meet a player who dominates due to scripts - they are either very good and then you won't even know if they were cheating or not, or they are not good and then they will suck even with cheats

all in all, don't worry about cheats. They may exist but that won't affect you in a slightest. Possible script kiddie will be easily pwned, while players without cheats can pubstomp fair and square, with normal training and experience.

[🥤ʑ ɨ ł 🌊 ✡🔯☪ bȍgъdȃrъ 👌]

I was too harsh on the issue, and you guys have interested me enough to play the game again, but Ive already joined matches with very fishy behaviour from certain players(2). And this is coming from a not so trash gold rank that gets top three, usually with most kills, and just plays for fun, but understands the skill of the game. And with more time I'm very interested in what rank I get to.

TL;DR
"all in all, don't worry about cheats"
"The learning curve for NS2 is high, and it's not rare for new players to be rekt by people who have more skill, experience, map knowledge, map awareness, gamesense, a microphone, a headset, optimized configurations"

[Kampfkekskrieger EXP Folk Master]

its true, there could be more players miss their shots. i always feel like the only one who needs a second to aim darn if i miss to jumpinto the gun
-but its also wrong to handycap the full power that is THERE. so i have MY power.

PS: 3 days ago i got the kill a dev archievement. after 5 years or so. so be aware, we WILL come and bring you back into truth.

[Jackson7th]

Originally posted by 🥤ℙƶчК👌:

I was too harsh on the issue, and you guys have interested me enough to play the game again

♥♥♥♥ yeah dude, welcome back !!! Show us what you got, we need more people like you playing this game.
The ELO scores are frozen now, due to unforeseen balance changes that were implemented with the last patch (improved performances made marines WAY better than they already were). It shall be fixed soon, so if you don't rank up that's normal.

[76561198208849784]

Can you at least post 1 screenshot in-game scoreboard of " never miss" player ? (100% accuracy)
Otherwise you can't convince anyone ,let alone hoping the developer will believe your anger-venting like thread

[🥤ʑ ɨ ł 🌊 ✡🔯☪ bȍgъdȃrъ 👌]

Originally posted by R. Lewandowski:

*Butthurt nonsense*

Why would I want to give the script user infamy; the one thing the cheater really wants. Ive already found 5 script users, most of them dumb down their script, but I saw a rookie "smurf" go 90 kills and 15. On mic the whole time he kept mocking people saying the game is too hard to understand. He had no NS2 game knowledge; when you watched him play it was like watching a noob, but he would kill anything in a blink of an eye. He sounded like he was in his late-teens; late high school. His profile also looked like a throw-away account kinda like yours.

And while we are on the topic of your account its very interesting you want me to show all this proof but you are too scared to show off the games you own; just a poke at your philosophy.. And even more so checking your sreenshots you get some decent games in here n there, but I couldnt help noticed you play with around 300 ping. Which you are either playing 95% of your NS2 games horribly and only screenshotting the good games or your playing around with some software to help you play with american players. Ive never seen you play so I wouldnt bet on you scripting. Its just VERY fishy to play well with 300 ping. Most ppl with 300 ping will script. I also think it is just a hoot that you someone with no real investment in this topic would choose such a heavy-handed counter point to argue with almost like you are trying to protect something, but thats just a lil speculation.

TL;DR
A closet scripter/cheater would never go full blatant (100% accuracy) because they would be called out immediately duhh; cheaters will make the bot miss on purpose so the aim doesnt look artificial.




PS. Also this idea that "a lot of people cheat (which isn't true) is due to your overall lack of knowledge and experience of NS2" is really misleading and very untrue. While sure cheating may not be a BIG deal for NS2, but in the gaming world especially shooters using scripts is at an all time high with the accessibility of getting and using them. Also a lot of cheaters aka scripters just see it as "modding".

AND

"In any match you will not meet a player who dominates due to scripts - they are either very good and then you won't even know if they were cheating or not, or they are not good and then they will suck even with cheats"; This is just ludicrous. How can you say you will not meet a player who will dominate due to scripts then in the same sentence imply that if a pro was using cheats they would be so good it wouldnt matter, because you wouldnt be able to tell if they were or were not using scripts/bots.
The point that you dont want to perceive is that there will be people that use cheats/scripts/bots and will dominate; this example is anecdotal but as I already stated I witnessed a very low rank player (pink rank) with no real NS2 experience dunk on 4 Blue ranks and 1 Purple. He was on my team; are team had less skill rating. He(pink) pushed them with 90 kills and me(gold rank) with 70, 3rd place (silver rank) had 30 kills, and 1st place on the opposition had 40 kills/35ish deaths (Purple rank); me and the scripter were on humans, and everybody on alien had massive death counts. Now granted I supported him just by being on his team but that doesnt excuse that he still dominated that game with cheats.

[Stark]

In these dark times I knew I could count on the steam forums to cheer me up.

[Gimcrack]

Most I've ever suspected from a handful of players was a pistol macro for rapid firing. It's doable without a macro so I just kind of shrugged it off and hoped that UWE would cap the max fire rate of the pistol.

Haven't seen any aimbots but I have seen plenty of good players. Is it possible that these players are using aimbots? Probably, but I doubt it. Smurfing aside, the accuracy usually matches the rank of the player. Anyone who plays well enough to understand the game's meta should in theory have a natural accuracy percentage that's high enough for their level. No point in using an aimbot. Now, there are SOME players that seem to just beeline to the enemy hive and successfully egglock, but that's on servers with below-average skill rating. Once the server populates with other good players, I usually see these players switch their strategy like you would expect from a veteran.

Wallhacks I don't consider since any veteran player reading a map properly and with correct laning procedures is gonna be able to 5D chess.

I'm not gonna dismiss your claim that cheaters exist, but I am gonna dismiss that the cheating problem is as rife as you claim. Your best bet is to gather proof of cheaters with videos and slam 'em.

[🥤ʑ ɨ ł 🌊 ✡🔯☪ bȍgъdȃrъ 👌]

Originally posted by Stark:

*Snip*