MCO version numbers

[Armis Hart]

What MCO (Attack) version should I use? https://imgur.com/n0g5zCZ
The website isn't using 1.5.97 or does that not matter?

[Fear2288]

My assumption is that is the list of all versions of the mod from the first to the most recent.

In all likelihood, the mod maker did this for people who are using downgraded versions of the game and/or preferred earlier versions of the mod than newer ones for whatever reason.

If you’re using Skyrim version 1.6.640 then it’s probably a safe guess that you want the newest/last one.

If you’re using a downgraded game, you’re gonna have to do some research on your own to figure out which version of the mod matches which version of Skyrim you’re using.

[Armis Hart]

Originally posted by Fear2288:

My assumption is that is the list of all versions of the mod from the first to the most recent.

In all likelihood, the mod maker did this for people who are using downgraded versions of the game and/or preferred earlier versions of the mod than newer ones for whatever reason.

If you’re using Skyrim version 1.6.640 then it’s probably a safe guess that you want the newest/last one.

If you’re using a downgraded game, you’re gonna have to do some research on your own to figure out which version of the mod matches which version of Skyrim you’re using.

Yeah I am brand new to Skyrim. Just bought it on discount so latest version minus Anniversary stuff.
I would simply use the latest version but now I'm considering downgrading just so that everything works. But now I'm reading a lot of mods do use newer version so...I am doubly confused. A lot of information is going around right now haha... I want to be able to use MCO and basically everything this video is using and some of their other videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P_FpbLC3LQ&t=10s

And yeah that's what is confusing MCO doesn't provide any matching version numbers. Even if I downgrade...

[Fear2288]

Don’t downgrade your game.

There’s no point to it.

You’ll just be making it more confusing and more of a headache for yourself because you will have to find old versions of any mods you are using and not every mod maker leaves their old versions up for download.

There’s only two reasons people downgrade their games.

1. There are mods they cannot live without that either have not been updated yet for the current game version, or they know they never will be.

2. Because they are THAT resistant and against the inclusion of Fishing, Saints and Seducers, Rare Curios, and Survival Mode (the pieces of CC content that came for free with the 1.6 update) to their game.


#1 continues to diminish in relevancy as time goes by. Most mods that needed to be updated to function with 1.6.640 have been, and most of the ones that haven’t have been replaced by new mods that do the same thing. There are now only a small handful of mods that were popular that haven’t made their way to 1.6.640 in one form or another.

#2 can be a royal pain. You will have to pay extra close attention to any and every mod you download to make sure it matches whatever version you have downgraded to (or verify that it doesn’t matter). Many modders will keep their old versions up for people to download, but some do not and you’ll have to try and find them another way.

Using old versions also means you will not get any of the improvements, tweaks, changes, or additions that that mod has gotten since that version. You will be stuck with that mod as it was when that version released.

You will likely receive no help from other users or even the mod creator if you encounter issues or have questions about an old version either - they’re concerned with the functionality of the current version of their mod, not helping you fix a version of it they made/released months or years ago.

It’s just not worth it, especially if you’re a new player or new mod user.

[Armis Hart]

Originally posted by Fear2288:

Don’t downgrade your game.
It’s just not worth it, especially if you’re a new player or new mod user.

Oh didn't know it was free. but mainly I wanted to use MCO and the action combat ish animation mods. Their version numbers are for version 1.6.0.6 at the highest unless those are not game version numbers... If there is anything similar then I guess I don't really care to downgrade. Yeah it is a pain for sure. But I definitely do not want vanilla Skyrim look or even close. I'll see what I can get working with latest version then. It appears as though graphics mods work with any version anyways and that animation mods are my issue. I never see a version with graphics related mods. Thanks!

[grab these bandages]

Originally posted by Fear2288:

Don’t downgrade your game.

There’s no point to it.

#1 continues to diminish in relevancy as time goes by. Most mods that needed to be updated to function with 1.6.640 have been, and most of the ones that haven’t have been replaced by new mods that do the same thing. There are now only a small handful of mods that were popular that haven’t made their way to 1.6.640 in one form or another.

That's untrue. There is exist still some cool dll mod only for 1.5.97

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by grab these bandages:

Originally posted by Fear2288:

Don’t downgrade your game.

There’s no point to it.

#1 continues to diminish in relevancy as time goes by. Most mods that needed to be updated to function with 1.6.640 have been, and most of the ones that haven’t have been replaced by new mods that do the same thing. There are now only a small handful of mods that were popular that haven’t made their way to 1.6.640 in one form or another.

That's untrue. There is exist still some cool dll mod only for 1.5.97

OP doesn't know those mods, and most mods have been updated for new versions....
there is literally no reason to downgrade it if you are new to skyrim, there are plenty of mods out there, so no reason to downgrade for specific mods that they aren't using unless it adds something they specifically want.....

[Armis Hart]

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

Originally posted by grab these bandages:

That's untrue. There is exist still some cool dll mod only for 1.5.97

OP doesn't know those mods, and most mods have been updated for new versions....
there is literally no reason to downgrade it if you are new to skyrim, there are plenty of mods out there, so no reason to downgrade for specific mods that they aren't using unless it adds something they specifically want.....

Does MCO and mods it's dependant on work with newest version? That's like my main thing that I want It seems they will continue updating it however. Except DAR. Main problem right now is misinformation and outdated information. I"m looking at 10 years of mods and updates. I'm against mod packs or maybe i'd try that..Can't trust those to work properly

[Armis Hart]

Originally posted by grab these bandages:

Originally posted by Fear2288:

Don’t downgrade your game.

There’s no point to it.

#1 continues to diminish in relevancy as time goes by. Most mods that needed to be updated to function with 1.6.640 have been, and most of the ones that haven’t have been replaced by new mods that do the same thing. There are now only a small handful of mods that were popular that haven’t made their way to 1.6.640 in one form or another.

That's untrue. There is exist still some cool dll mod only for 1.5.97

Not sure what mods you mean but yeah that was my intentions for downgrading to that version. If the mods in the video above and some of their other videos work in current version I'll be happy...

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by Armis Hart:

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

OP doesn't know those mods, and most mods have been updated for new versions....
there is literally no reason to downgrade it if you are new to skyrim, there are plenty of mods out there, so no reason to downgrade for specific mods that they aren't using unless it adds something they specifically want.....

Does MCO and mods it's dependant on work with newest version? That's like my main thing that I want It seems they will continue updating it however. Except DAR. Main problem right now is misinformation and outdated information bs. Right now I'm following some bullsh** guide about how to install SKSE... In Nexus Mod Manager it was instantaneous...here in MO2 gotta unzip it myself and then take pieces of it and place in folders. Some of which don't even exist.. Data folder exists but not Scripts. i've seen people say using mods with Skyrim isn't hard just read. I call major bs. This is rocket science. I am no debugger xD

I'm against mod packs too since you have 0 clue what you are installing. and any single mod could ruin everything.

You want all your mods working to the same game version, since it means you don't get conflicts with version. Some people get updates forced through (or accidently forget a step in the various methods to stop updates).

Now if you have been modding for a while, and have a specific mod you really want, and accidently let an update through (or far more rarely one gets forced through) then some people suggest the "Downgrader Patch" to revert the version to one that matches what your mods will work with.

The problem is that the downgrader patch doesn't always work, and can introduce entirely new problems when it fails to work properly.. Which is why I'm saying not to use it unless you have an absolutely essential mod that hasn't been updated... and even then you may have to abandon it if the downgrader patch doesn't work

It is far better to get a stable build with the latest version, then use the various methods to stop updates until you want them. One method is to use SKSE64 to launch the game (you set the game to update on launch, and have steam running in the background, and the SKSE64 launcher bypasses the launcher steam recognises for the update). Another is to make the ini files (and the update file too) read only.

And whatever method you use, make a copy of your game files on a removable drive, so you have a version to revert back to if anything goes wrong (do not try using a drive on the computer, even relabelled, Steam has a way of updating those regardless of what people think)

[Armis Hart]

I think the biggest issue all of these mods have is having 20 dependencies...pretty ridiculous. Then just a single modder quits then rip ALL of the mods. I"m not sure how to make just Nemesis and MCO work. It's not working. I see errors in MO2 already...

I made sure everything was the latest versions. Some still show errors. I'm not using DAR I'm using OAR now since people said it was backwards compatible with all DAR versions. Idk. Not working. SKSE64 is set to be used through MO2 currently.

[alexander_dougherty]

The problem isn't that they have 20 dependencies, that's just a reflection of the complexicity of the mod. The problem is that so many SKSE64 dependent mods were made version dependent, which means they break every time there is an update. Some mod authors are now making them without the version dependency, but it's not an obvious method for those who don'y know it.

[Fear2288]

Originally posted by grab these bandages:

Originally posted by Fear2288:

Don’t downgrade your game.

There’s no point to it.

#1 continues to diminish in relevancy as time goes by. Most mods that needed to be updated to function with 1.6.640 have been, and most of the ones that haven’t have been replaced by new mods that do the same thing. There are now only a small handful of mods that were popular that haven’t made their way to 1.6.640 in one form or another.

That's untrue. There is exist still some cool dll mod only for 1.5.97

Okay. Name me five mods only available for 1.5.97 that are functional, well-made, and don’t already have an equivalent for 1.6.640.

[Armis Hart]

Originally posted by Fear2288:

Originally posted by grab these bandages:

That's untrue. There is exist still some cool dll mod only for 1.5.97

Okay. Name me five mods only available for 1.5.97 that are functional, well-made, and don’t already have an equivalent for 1.6.640.

After a search it says the only ones mainly that shouldn't work are SKSE mods but that was a year ago. Maybe things changed. A lot of mods simply don't say the version it is for...I hope that means it doesn't matter but not sure..

SKSE Extender -1.6.64
Attack MCO - Doesn't say. Either they made up their own numbers or they are behind.
Nemesis Unlimited Behavior Engine - Doesn't say, Bunch of errors reported on github

[Fear2288]

What? Were you trying to just use the 1.5.97 SKSE version and thinking that was how you downgrade?

It’s more complicated than that.

If that’s what you did you were effectively trying to get an old version of SKSE to work on the most up to date version of the game, which isn’t going to work. Your game version needs to match your SKSE version.

Downgrading requires you to find a patcher and run it because what you’re doing is effectively reverting all the necessary files of the actual game to how they were on 11/10/2021 (the day before the original 1.6 update).

Then you need to take the necessary steps to force-prevent Steam from auto-updating Skyrim back to 1.6.640 and from what I hear even if you do what you’re supposed to, Steam can sometimes STILL manage to auto-download and install the update somehow.

Then you need to grab whatever mods you want and the ones that are version dependent need to be 1.5.97 and you gotta make sure you never update them.

This is why people will tell you that downgrading isn’t worth it. Besides the reasons I mentioned above, you need to have somewhat of a grasp on using/installing/correctly managing mods and the knowledge of how to make sure nothing changes or updates.

To me, it sounds like all you want at the moment is MCO.

Well, I don’t use MCO but it’s a pretty popular mod that a lot of people use, so it’s probably a safe bet that the newest version of MCO needs 1.6.640.

If MCO is what you’re after, I don’t really know why you’re even contemplating downgrading.

[Armis Hart]

Originally posted by Fear2288:

What? Were you trying to just use the 1.5.97 SKSE version and thinking that was how you downgrade?

It’s more complicated than that.

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no? Because of MCO's dependancies. I don't believe everything is up to date. But MCO neglects to put the right version numbers if it works.
https://www.skyrim-guild.com/archives
1.6.06? what is that... Old update or their own version number? That's why people are confused. because of poor documentation. Besides that
"DynamicAnimationReplacerAE v1.1.3 for Skyrim 16629" That is for an old update but maybe it works who knows.
Yeah mainly but I haven't tested it yet. I switched from Vortex to MO2 and I'm so confused. Very difficult to use. i've had to redo everything so haven't even been able to test it out. So yeah maybe it's worth a test then move on from MCO etc...