Skyrim The Empire Is Law?

[pjedilord]

So gold mentions the empire is law,so is so?but they have stormcloaks in game to
so they have their law to?but I thought dominion is main law? is empire the law?

Is the empire law in quadtrilogy and other countrys in ES?what does it mean,law is
scare? Why don't stormcloaks use stormcloaks gold instead of empire gold?

So is domination masters of Skyrim?why don't empire people of Skyrim use dominion
gold instead? Why does Morrowing in Skyrim use empire gold?

[steventirey]

The Empire is the topmost law in the, well, empire. The Stormcloaks, being rebels, don't accept that. The Dominion is only the law in the high elf lands. They do have a little say in how some things are done in the empire (mostly, the worship of Talos) because of the war, however.

Stormcloaks don't use their own gold as there is absolutely no need for it. Everyone uses septims, everyone accepts septims for their goods. Half of Skyrim would likely refuse to accept Stormcloak coins, so making them is mostly pointless. All the lands we hear about used to be a part of the Empire, so they all used the same gold. Now that some of them have left the empire they could in theory make their own coins. But with literally everyone else they want to trade with using septims, its more of a hassle than it is worth.

[Rez Elwin]

Yep, the entirety of Tamriel was part of the Empire before Skyrim, everyone uses Septims, it would be a waste of time and resources to start creating a new currency that might not be accepted everywhere. Even if the Empire were to come to and end, the coins are still minted gold, they still have value.

What is says on the currency matters little, like here in the United States some of our money has "in God we Trust" printed on it, not everyone believes in God, doesn't stop them from using the money or people accepting it.

[pjedilord]

Originally posted by steventirey:

The Empire is the topmost law in the, well, empire. The Stormcloaks, being rebels, don't accept that. The Dominion is only the law in the high elf lands. They do have a little say in how some things are done in the empire (mostly, the worship of Talos) because of the war, however.

Stormcloaks don't use their own gold as there is absolutely no need for it. Everyone uses septims, everyone accepts septims for their goods. Half of Skyrim would likely refuse to accept Stormcloak coins, so making them is mostly pointless. All the lands we hear about used to be a part of the Empire, so they all used the same gold. Now that some of them have left the empire they could in theory make their own coins. But with literally everyone else they want to trade with using septims, its more of a hassle than it is worth.

Originally posted by Rez Elwin:

Yep, the entirety of Tamriel was part of the Empire before Skyrim, everyone uses Septims, it would be a waste of time and resources to start creating a new currency that might not be accepted everywhere. Even if the Empire were to come to and end, the coins are still minted gold, they still have value.

What is says on the currency matters little, like here in the United States some of our money has "in God we Trust" printed on it, not everyone believes in God, doesn't stop them from using the money or people accepting it.

Did they always use empire gold in quadtrilogy?So empire is always law?

[BaneBlackGuard]

there is civil war in Skyrim. the only law in Skyrim during the course of the game is the law of military might. So no, the empire is not always the law. They claim they are, but in reality their hold on Skyrim at the start of the game is tentative. the player determines whether the Empire regains control of Skyrim or Skyrim becomes independent.

as far the currency goes, gold is gold. unlike modern currency, it's accepted value is because it's valuable, not just because a particular symbol is stamped on it.

[Rez Elwin]

Originally posted by pjedilord:

Did they always use empire gold in quadtrilogy?So empire is always law?

Yes the Empire has a always used gold, but they are not absolute law, even when the Empire was whole, Morrowind was allowed to govern themselves, and the Argonian's were never truly conquered.

However the concept of a universal currency was adopted by every nation in Tamriel, everyone uses it and will continue to use it.

[Heimdall313]

Imperial law supersedes provincial law if there's a conflict in the two. Talos worship is outlawed by Imperial decree per the terms of the White-Gold Concordat.
The Stormcloaks are an insurrection, they do not view their foreign rulers as legitimate, and as such do not consider Imperial law (Talos ban) to supersede provincial / local law. They actually agree on most Imperial laws; imprisonment and punishments, and the outlawing of slavery for example.

Also the Stormcloaks technically do use gold; one mission for both sides has you ambush and claim a cart full of weapons, gold, and silver by the other side. They obviously use Septims as the standard currency since no viable alternative exists.

Originally posted by Rez Elwin:

Originally posted by pjedilord:

Did they always use empire gold in quadtrilogy?So empire is always law?

Yes the Empire has a always used gold, but they are not absolute law, even when the Empire was whole, Morrowind was allowed to govern themselves, and the Argonian's were never truly conquered.

However the concept of a universal currency was adopted by every nation in Tamriel, everyone uses it and will continue to use it.

Morrowind wasn't conquered either, Vivec basically sued for peace. That's why Morrowind was allowed to retain its cultural practices and customs, and why things like slavery were allowed to continue (Slavery is outlawed in the rest of the Empire). Morrowind joined by treaty, not conquest. Vivec was nearly at the peak of his power during that war, and the Tribunal could of wrought absolutely terrible destruction and at worst mutually destroyed both nations, at best could of repelled or even reversed the conquest. Talos was not a God yet during that war; his apotheosis (divine ascension into Godhood) was upon his death. If anything, it was suicidal for Tiber Septim to attempt to invade Morrowind or Black Marsh, never mind both.
Vivec treatied out because he basically lost nothing doing so and saved many, many Dunmer lives.

[theo]

Is imperial currency actually called septims in Skyrim?

[Rez Elwin]

Originally posted by Heimdall313:

Morrowind wasn't conquered either, Vivec basically sued for peace. That's why Morrowind was allowed to retain its cultural practices and customs, and why things like slavery were allowed to continue (Slavery is outlawed in the rest of the Empire). Morrowind joined by treaty, not conquest. Vivec was nearly at the peak of his power during that war, and the Tribunal could of wrought absolutely terrible destruction and at worst mutually destroyed both nations, at best could of repelled or even reversed the conquest. Talos was not a God yet during that war; his apotheosis (divine ascension into Godhood) was upon his death. If anything, it was suicidal for Tiber Septim to attempt to invade Morrowind or Black Marsh, never mind both.
Vivec treatied out because he basically lost nothing doing so and saved many, many Dunmer lives.

I am well aware, but Vivic was actually weakened at this time, Dagoth Ur powered by the Heart was stronger than the Tribunal and they cound not replenish their powers with the heart. The battle would have been devastating for both sides, but if Vivic were at full power he could have laid waste the Imperial army without breaking a sweat. He needed to deal with the threat of Dagoth Ur, so instead of wasting lives with the Empire he signed a very favorable treaty for both sides. Morrowind pretty much stayed the same, and Tiber got access to their Ebony and the Numidium.

[Rez Elwin]

Originally posted by theo:

Is imperial currency actually called septims in Skyrim?

They still are, as long as Tiber's face is on the coin that is their Official name. The game just displays it as gold however.

[Raymond]

Stormcloak are economically dependent on the Empire and the Aldmeri Dominion, mainly because Ulfric doesn't put any stock in running his territory properly. Thus they don't have the ability to issue their own currency.
The Empire isn't actually the law in Skyrim. Even without the Stormcloak rebellion, Skyrim's holds are already independent mini states each with their own laws that the Empire has no control over. The extend of the Jarls like Jarl Balgruff were able to push the independent of their hold indicates each Skyrim holds has equal freedom between an irl medieval vassal state and friendly ally state. We don't even know if Skyrim even have taxation and conscription obligation with the Empire. Really make you wonder wtf Stormcloak trying to achieve, if anything helping them with the civil war would actually yield net negative freedom to Skyrim instead.

[Rez Elwin]

Originally posted by YariMurai:

Stormcloak are economically dependent on the Empire and the Aldmeri Dominion, mainly because Ulfric doesn't put any stock in running his territory properly. Thus they don't have the ability to issue their own currency.
The Empire isn't actually the law in Skyrim. Even without the Stormcloak rebellion, Skyrim's holds are already independent mini states each with their own laws that the Empire has no control over. The extend of the Jarls like Jarl Balgruff were able to push the independent of their hold indicates each Skyrim holds has equal freedom between an irl medieval vassal state and friendly ally state. We don't even know if Skyrim even have taxation and conscription obligation with the Empire. Really make you wonder wtf Stormcloak trying to achieve, if anything helping them with the civil war would actually yield net negative freedom to Skyrim instead.

The holds have their own laws but Skyrim still follows the general Laws the Empire has. If the Nords are supposed to be viking-like you can guarantee they would have slaves if the Empire allowed it. Half the country begrudgingly follows the Talos ban, an Empire rule. Unlike Morrowind, Skyrim is not autonomous, they follow the Empires laws first, then their own.

The Stromcloak rebellion exists solely because Ulfric want to be High King, that way he can declare Skyrim a true dependent and can return the Worship of Talos.

[Ilja]

Originally posted by Rez Elwin:

The Stromcloak rebellion exists solely because Ulfric want to be High King, that way he can declare Skyrim a true dependent and can return the Worship of Talos.

This.

It is important to remember that Torygg worship Talos himself. For thirty years, no one batted an eye to this ban. Neither Empire or throne enforced it in Skyrim.

Eöemvem't game and manipulation finally paid off.

Ulfric's traumas drove him not only to oppose the elves, but to attack the High King as well. Sons of Skyrim rose to agitate about Talos ban. Finally Ulfric went far enough to kill Torygg and Inquisition got free hands to act in Skyrim.

It is also worth to point out that Empire didn't impose this ban. That was the source of the Great War. Thalmor dumped heads of the Blades in front of Titus as a response, which finally started the whole war.

To sum it up, laws are a four part system.

1. White-Gold Concordant - peace treaty between Empire and Dominion after the Great War, which is the source of Talos ban and driving ruckus in Skyrim. Not everyone agreed on this. For example Tullius is one of strong and vocal opponents of the treaty and laws it enforced. (Not that this is well presented in the game though.)
   
   
2. Empire laws.
   
   
3. Skyrim laws of High King.
   
   
4. Jarl's rule and laws in their own holds.

Originally posted by YariMurai:

Really make you wonder wtf Stormcloak trying to achieve,

To live and die as "True Nodrs." Ulfric's plans are outright suicidal, if Stormcloaks win the Civil War.

That said, Torygg died as a True Nord as well. As seen in Sovengard.
Ulfric is more rash than he needs to be.