The solution for destruction mages!

[Zawarudo]

Hello!

So I decided to play on novice and never raise my health! That should double the damage of all spells and bring a real challenge late in the game.

If I go pure magicka I might even skip on enchanting and trade skills altogether to just enjoy the game.

The only con I can think about comes with changing playstyle. Setting the game to legendary difficulty because I wanna play melee later on might turn the game into a nightmare even with ultra enchanted gear. I mean... just 100 health points right?

What do you guys think?

[Jman]

That is a neat idea. Unfortunately I've found magic in Skrym to leave much to be desired. A lot of the spells just feel really underwhelming or underpowered. It is really hard to justify using it as a main dps tool over just using a bow but that is just my experience. Magic for support is quite good though.

[Qua2ar]

引用自 Jman：

That is a neat idea. Unfortunately I've found magic in Skrym to leave much to be desired. A lot of the spells just feel really underwhelming or underpowered. It is really hard to justify using it as a main dps tool over just using a bow but that is just my experience. Magic for support is quite good though.

Paralyze is a strong spell, in vanilla it can stun targets for a max of 33 sec.
It has no lvl limit either.

[Klapseninsasse]

Played the vanilla version as a destruction mage 11 years ago and had to walk around naked after a while to still have some challenge.

[Bun]

If you ever need to spice up spellcasting combat, try Spellsihpon mod:
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/26627

https://youtu.be/gWVgPaO34zY?t=285

[Riverdusk]

引用自 Jman：

That is a neat idea. Unfortunately I've found magic in Skrym to leave much to be desired. A lot of the spells just feel really underwhelming or underpowered. It is really hard to justify using it as a main dps tool over just using a bow but that is just my experience. Magic for support is quite good though.

Lot of mods out there to fix magic to be whatever you want.

Also the official Bethesda "solution' of the added elemental spells in Arcane Accessories. When fully perked, they do 3 to 5 times the damage of any other destruction spells. If anything I find them to be overpowered.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Elemental_Blast

But yeah, interesting idea from the OP if you don't want to use any mods and don't want to use creation club.

[Knightmage Bael]

Alchemy is how you play a destruction mage. Let me explain:

Destruction potions. Level up alchemy all the way, take 5/5 and benefactor (don't need purifier, but it helps), have a "crafting set" with 25% or 28% fortify alchemy. Make powerful potions that fortify your destruction damage.

Specialize in a school like fire or lightning. You'll do crazy amounts of damage just with that, unless you have mods which make all enemies health sponges or you play on Legendary. (I play on Adept/Expert usually and it works fine). Thunderbolt and Incinerate do plenty of damage.

The CC addon that comes with the update (Saints and Seducers) adds a bunch of ingredients which further boost the power of fortify destruction potions. Comberry and Daedra Venin (which you can buy, or get a mod allowing you to GROW them) have a 1.2x multiplier. Otherwise Ash Creep Cluster and Glowing Mushroom are both super common and can be used. Some ingredients can be crossed with a tertiary one allowing secondary potion effects like resist shock/magicka/etc.

Unless you're using Illusion and Conjuration to cheese the game, alchemy is essential. Its such an underutilized skill tree and its insanely powerful. People only argue against that because they've never bothered to ***actually invest in it***.

I used a destruction mage last game on expert and was one or two-shotting enemies with destruction magic, and I don't use fortify destruction damage mods. Those are only for people who don't know how to build right. However, I think there IS a mod which boosts the damage of destruction magic with each each novice/apprentice/etc perk chosen by a certain %. Cant remember which mod that is though. That might be okay if you don't want to cheese the game with destruction.

[Holy Fool Sehrael]

I mean... eventually you'll be OP no matter what, even if you only fight with fists :D Mods most of the time overdo it or do too less, considering what other mods may add and the creation club... It's... difficult. Bethesda may has been a bit too lax on the balance front.

[Mokona]

If you dont use mods for magic then magic just sucks. If playing vanilla you must play on super easy unable to be killed mode, never level up, or you need to not use magic. Only magic that can really get anything done is conjuration but I dont really count that. As fun as it sounds magic doesnt level with you so will start to do no damage.

[dvdbillen]

Here's what I've been doing lately and having a blast:

- Legendary difficulty
- Cheat up Destruction with mods to the point I can kill about anything in 1-3 hits, (also cheat level-up rate).
- No defense of any kind except stealth. No health, armor, etc.
- Even a skeleton can one-shot me, but am OP with destruction.
- I do NOT take silent casting which would ruin it.
- No shouts, (I don't play the main quest).

So I approach with stealth and have time to work out a strategy, but without silent casting the first time I attack I'm in serious trouble. Battles become all about a strategy to quickly eliminate or avoid archers and shooting mages. Can generally hold off armed attackers by staggering them, but must avoid a dog pile.

[Qua2ar]

Even in vanilla you can make destruction 1 hit kill everything on Legendary, the secret is alchemy and fortify destruction potions. No need for cheats.

[dvdbillen]

引用自 Qua2ar：

Even in vanilla you can make destruction 1 hit kill everything on Legendary, the secret is alchemy and fortify destruction potions. No need for cheats.

I don't want to have to level that up high enough also, then always have enough supply to get through every fight. It would be half the game.

I don't have a rule against using cheat-mods. I'm too burned-out to grind on some things anymore. Also I really don't want to be all-around OP, it ruins the game, so I won't abuse it. That build I just described I die at least once almost every fight.

[SgtScum]

Ordinator and Apocalypse mods make a pure destruction mage quite viable if not a bit op without the need to train up alchemy or enchanting so you can max out your damage potential. Of course using them along with destruction will only make your mage even stronger but I guess the point is that its no longer required. Those mods also make a stealth mage a viable class because it allows for sneak damage on destruction spells. So sniping distant enemies from stealth with ranged magic can yield some impressive results.

[Riverdusk]

引用自 SgtScum：

Ordinator and Apocalypse mods make a pure destruction mage quite viable if not a bit op without the need to train up alchemy or enchanting so you can max out your damage potential. Of course using them along with destruction will only make your mage even stronger but I guess the point is that its no longer required. Those mods also make a stealth mage a viable class because it allows for sneak damage on destruction spells. So sniping distant enemies from stealth with ranged magic can yield some impressive results.

Yep, what I do, although I prefer and use that author's other mods that are more streamlined (Vokrii and Odin). The mod creator said that using Vokrii you should end up with destruction doing about 30% more damage than vanilla. Not sure how much more Odin adds as there are some nice new spells in there (but still definitely nothing near as strong as the creation club spells which I actually avoid using).

[Zawarudo]

引用自 dvdbillen：

Here's what I've been doing lately and having a blast:

- Legendary difficulty
- Cheat up Destruction with mods to the point I can kill about anything in 1-3 hits, (also cheat level-up rate).
- No defense of any kind except stealth. No health, armor, etc.
- Even a skeleton can one-shot me, but am OP with destruction.
- I do NOT take silent casting which would ruin it.
- No shouts, (I don't play the main quest).

So I approach with stealth and have time to work out a strategy, but without silent casting the first time I attack I'm in serious trouble. Battles become all about a strategy to quickly eliminate or avoid archers and shooting mages. Can generally hold off armed attackers by staggering them, but must avoid a dog pile.

That sounds really fun!

You might achieve the same by increasing destruction damage with the console:

player.setav destructionpowermod 1000

That value makes every destruction spell deadly!

Should you never raise your health, even skeevers might pose a dangerous threat in legendary difficulty!

[dvdbillen]

引用自 Zawarudo：

player.setav destructionpowermod 1000

That might be too much. I have it balanced so about 1-3 expert level dual casts hits will take out pretty much anyone.

引用自 Zawarudo：

Should you never raise your health, even skeevers might pose a dangerous threat in legendary difficulty!

Right, I forgot to mention: Take nothing but magicka when leveling. Yes, I have been killed by skeevers. It's kind of humiliating tbh.