Make me want to play Imperial

[Tranquilla]

I can't feel any sympathy for the Imperials because of the ban of the cult of Thalos, also they are just Aldmeri vassals and on top of that they tried to kill me at the start of the story

I have the feeling that even if I force myself to side with the imperials I will be disappointed that the stormcloaks lose

on the other hand, I've never played Imperial (400h on og Skyrim and SE) so I feel like I'm missing part of the game

but the Imperials really screwed up I don't want to side with them

so I ask you, why should I side with the Imperials ?

[Valden21]

Pro tip, OP. When you start a thread with the words "make me", or "convince me to...", that's a surefire sign that you've already made up your mind BEFORE posting the thread. Furthermore, your characterization of "Stormcloaks = good, Imperials = evil" show that you're not aware of what's actually going on, and have CHOSEN not to be aware. For instance, one trip to Windhelm, and seeing what the city was actually like for anyone not a Nord, was all it took for me to become a solid Empire supporter. Why? It's because that trip showed me just how truly racist the Stormcloaks are, and how much of a personality cult the group is. As IRL history shows, racism + a personality cult is NEVER a good combination, and that's the sort of thing we see from the Stormcloaks.

[charlea]

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

Originally posted by Tranquilla:

Stormcloak = good and honest guys who just want freedom, independency, sovereignty and freedom of religion

Empire = Evil imperialist with no respect for local culture, vassals of the Thalmor

as simple as that

Not even close, but the fact you have summed it up as that means nobody will ever convince you otherwise.

We can spot when someone is pretending to be open to arguements, for a start they make statements like "Stormcloak = good, imperial = evil", which is a closed off as you can get.

Exactly this statement is completely wrong, if you actually look into the background you'll find after Martin have died in the Oblivion Crisis the following emperors can basically been described as useless in defending outside invasions started by Thalmor, even remaining Daedras are still wondering around in some parts of Cyrodiil, and Stormcloaks with Ulfric as the head is not great at all as players can observe in the game despise against other
non-human races are severe in Windhelm, soldiers are without the bound of specific rules that prohibit them to break the laws(such as fighting in the bars),further more never considered how to deal with the Thalmor invasion problem after the civil war.

[charlea]

Originally posted by Ihateeverybody:

Originally posted by charlea:

Talos is partially Tiber Septim, one of the greatest emperors through the entire empire history, which isn't even realistic for the Imperials to give up the belief in the great Conqueror of Cycrodiil. Also, guess what the Stormcloaks did, they actually become the sharpest knife that back stabbed their most reliable alliance against disgusting Thalmors in Skyrim.

Tiber septim, Tiber Septim, Tiber Septim......Oh yeah that guy. The guy who "Betrayed his own King" (Oh Irony, you are such a card). The guy who made a deal to allow 2 of his provinces to be constantly harrassed and enslaved for .....ALWAYS in return for a Giant Transformer which he BETRAYED HIS BEST FRIEND and used it to power said Transformer (It actually did not Transform in any way). That guy is your greatest?

Not Allessia? The chosen one of Akatosh? Freed Humanity from the dominion of the Aldmer elves, wiping them out. Establishing an empire that lasted longer than Septims. Oh wait....she was a woman right? That explains it.

So just out of curiosity, which Part of the Talos setup do I need to urinate on to show my contempt? The Statue or the Shrine doodad. Asking for a Friend.

Technically, not compare to Allessia the Queen of the Stars and Martin Septim who is the Savor of Tamriel, even compare to Reyman Cyrodiil who beat out the invasion of Akaviri, Tiber Septim have done too little to Tamriel over all, but this guy is the one of centeral conflict between the Empire and Stormcloaks, so here just providing a idea that it's not realistic for Imperials to give up the belief in Talos, who is the guardian of all human.

[FauxFurry]

Skyrim sorely needed a 'Kill them all and let Talos sort them out" option for the Civil War.

[Tranquilla]

Originally posted by Valden21:

Pro tip, OP. When you start a thread with the words "make me", or "convince me to...", that's a surefire sign that you've already made up your mind BEFORE posting the thread. Furthermore, your characterization of "Stormcloaks = good, Imperials = evil" show that you're not aware of what's actually going on, and have CHOSEN not to be aware. For instance, one trip to Windhelm, and seeing what the city was actually like for anyone not a Nord, was all it took for me to become a solid Empire supporter. Why? It's because that trip showed me just how truly racist the Stormcloaks are, and how much of a personality cult the group is. As IRL history shows, racism + a personality cult is NEVER a good combination, and that's the sort of thing we see from the Stormcloaks.

I can say the same thing for you bro "you already make your choice" "there is a cult of personality around the emperor" "the thalmor are mega-racists" etc... There is 0 nuances in your comment

Also don't mix real life with fiction bro

I just want to say that between the nords who are a little bit racist towards elves and the Aldmeri who are openly supremacists elves who want to get rid of humanity I take the most reasonable choice : the stormcloaks

I also want to say that redguard succeeded in defeating Thalmor in Hammerfall (with a heavy price to pay yeah) they are free minded, fierce and tenacious just like the stormcloak, there is absolutely 0 reasons the stormcloak can't do the same

[Foxtrot39]

The fact you get such a bad impression of imperials serve the meta narrative for later installement : you can't tell who will win as the civil war ain't part of the main quest and the player intervention won't impact the outcome canonically

Even when siding stormcloacks you realise pretty quick they ain't any better, by giving the player no real moral incentive to fight for either side the door is wide open for 3 outcome for any TES game set after the event of Skyrim

A simple reason coming to my mind to join imperials is just that no imperial province on its own can fight and win the second great war with the aldmeri dominion, better be loosely united rather than deeply divided

Imperials are disciplined and good in logistic

Nords are fierce warrior

Redguard are excelent corsairs and engineers (they do have rudimentary gunpowder weapon lore wise)

Breton are gifted in magic making it easier to have healers and battlemages

Not counting the other provinces due to them having either a good reason to not support the empire after the Oblivion crisis or straight up being on the side of the Dominion politicaly

Orcs just wanna do orcs things in their corner

But humans in general will band together regardless against a common enemy that only seeks to wipe them out, the less time they waste fighting each other the better their odds in the second war

By joining the imperial you put a stop to the infighting and guarantee skyrim's assistance later down the line rather than it being a mere possibility at best

Originally posted by charlea:

Originally posted by Skumboni:

Check out how the non Nords in Windhelm feel about Ulfric. I opt for the least racist choice, which makes it hard for me to anything but side with the imperials. And if Talos was really a god he would smite the Thalmor out of existence. Daedra seem to have more real power than the gods anyway.

The thing is have you actually seen any of the Adaedric Divines in the game despite of the blessing from the shrine? no, obviously since they can't interfere the Nirn.

Remember what Partysnax says "Those who seek to save the world may hasten its end and those who seek to end it postpone its end" more or less

Small reminder that as long you don't kill Adluin, he wont fullfill its duty as world eater as he wants to dominate Nirn so by the end of the main quest you have made the end of the world an inevitability

Surely the Aedras knows that their intervention can lead to bigger disasters than the one ongoing and are wise enough to know when their intervention is required or not for the sake of all of Aurbis

Pelinal nearly got them all to bail on Nirn with how disgusted they were with his elven genocide and excessive butchering of even the innocent ones and he was basically their choosen blessed champion

Nirn is for the mortals, the less they interact with it the better for a small mistake with such powers can trigger far reaching devastating consequences like the Numidium has and will in the future (if you consider Dac0da as cannon that is)

Furthermore Aedras unlike Daedric princes can be "killed" : the price they paid in the creation of Nirn, so the best way to safeguard themselves is to not expose themslves in the first place

With the Numidium used twice breaking time itself and Mannimarco plunging the world in chaos for his own goals, they know the folly of mortals can have no limits

If they intervened more often one is bound to attempt to usurp their place, and perhaps even succeed

[Morgan Fun Gamer]

Originally posted by Foxtrot39:

The fact you get such a bad impression of imperials serve the meta narrative for later installement : you can't tell who will win as the civil war ain't part of the main quest and the player intervention won't impact the outcome canonically

Even when siding stormcloacks you realise pretty quick they ain't any better, by giving the player no real moral incentive to fight for either side the door is wide open for 3 outcome for any TES game set after the event of Skyrim

A simple reason coming to my mind to join imperials is just that no imperial province on its own can fight and win the second great war with the aldmeri dominion, better be loosely united rather than deeply divided

Imperials are disciplined and good in logistic

Nords are fierce warrior

Redguard are excelent corsairs and engineers (they do have rudimentary gunpowder weapon lore wise)

Breton are gifted in magic making it easier to have healers and battlemages

Not counting the other provinces due to them having either a good reason to not support the empire after the Oblivion crisis or straight up being on the side of the Dominion politicaly

Orcs just wanna do orcs things in their corner

But humans in general will band together regardless against a common enemy that only seeks to wipe them out, the less time they waste fighting each other the better their odds in the second war

By joining the imperial you put a stop to the infighting and guarantee skyrim's assistance later down the line rather than it being a mere possibility at best

Originally posted by charlea:

The thing is have you actually seen any of the Adaedric Divines in the game despite of the blessing from the shrine? no, obviously since they can't interfere the Nirn.

Remember what Partysnax says "Those who seek to save the world may hasten its end and those who seek to end it postpone its end" more or less

Small reminder that as long you don't kill Adluin, he wont fullfill its duty as world eater as he wants to dominate Nirn so by the end of the main quest you have made the end of the world an inevitability

Surely the Aedras knows that their intervention can lead to bigger disasters than the one ongoing and are wise enough to know when their intervention is required or not for the sake of all of Aurbis

Pelinal nearly got them all to bail on Nirn with how disgusted they were with his elven genocide and excessive butchering of even the innocent ones and he was basically their choosen blessed champion

Nirn is for the mortals, the less they interact with it the better for a small mistake with such powers can trigger far reaching devastating consequences like the Numidium has and will in the future (if you consider Dac0da as cannon that is)

Furthermore Aedras unlike Daedric princes can be "killed" : the price they paid in the creation of Nirn, so the best way to safeguard themselves is to not expose themslves in the first place

With the Numidium used twice breaking time itself and Mannimarco plunging the world in chaos for his own goals, they know the folly of mortals can have no limits

If they intervened more often one is bound to attempt to usurp their place, and perhaps even succeed

For the mention of redguards in united imperials I saw that Hammerfell the home of the redguards is no longer apart of the Imperial in 4e 201 on a map I am not sure if it is this is true and I am not relaly sure about what happened between Imperials and Hammerfell in the years before skyrim 4E 201 but I think it is not apart of imperials anymore or did you mean just mentioning the diffrerent races of tamriel as a whole not just the ones in Imperial if this is what you meant I am sorry. And the map I saw also shows black Marsh as sepearate aswell like Hammerfell but Morrowind High Rock are still part of it.

[Ihateeverybody]

Hammerfell is no longer part of the Empire. The White Gold Concordient seded its territory to the Aldmeri in its Terms. The Redguards themselves said Go <blank> Yourselves to the Empire and (with the aid of several "Abandoned Legions" Kicked the AD out of Most of their Territory within 5 years I think. They havent been a part of the empire for 15-20 years at that point.

I doubt they are friendly to the Empire. Maybe....Frenemy?

What everyone forgets is that Altmer take ages to breed, They have that whole racial purity thing going on. Bosmer are a conquered people (Not willing members). The Khajit are at best not interested.

It takes a certain kind of stupid not to do the math here.

Edit: Stupid of the people running the Empire (Need to be clear).

[FauxFurry]

Just about whatever reason one needs to side with either faction if one does not decide one's own can be found here:
https://youtu.be/-aX5SonS_z0?si=EOENp0WCRLX3s1lb

[J-96]

Side with Imperials because the Aldemeri Dominion is manipulating and threatening them to get what they want. Those bastard elves think they can bully myself and others but I am destine to wiping them off the face of Tamriel because I am in reality, Skyrim's most notorious and nefarious criminal. To me, the land is in a state of them all versus myself & I have no real friends from Markarth to Solstheim and to Sovengarde anyway. But the coin, castles, effective businesses and luxury is nicer than fur and decrepit stone structures and big ego. I'm an imperial Talos worshipper who assaults the Aldermi daily, because this is Skyrim and we play how we want... we lean in favour for our own story.

[rabureta]

Originally posted by Ihateeverybody:

The Khajit are at best not interested.

Khajit care, they're just sneaky and likely playing the client state so they can shank the Thalmor using the Thalmor's own weapons later.

[Ihateeverybody]

Originally posted by rabureta:

Originally posted by Ihateeverybody:

The Khajit are at best not interested.

Khajit care, they're just sneaky and likely playing the client state so they can shank the Thalmor using the Thalmor's own weapons later.

Yeah, they likely played it cool, they saw how much effort the Empire was putting in to protecting Valanwood and said hmmmm. Sure we will join your club. My guess is they do the bare minimum.

[Eat3n]

If you play as an Imperial you have the ability to find more coins...those sweet sweet Septims.

[Tranquilla]

Originally posted by FauxFurry:

Just about whatever reason one needs to side with either faction if one does not decide one's own can be found here:
https://youtu.be/-aX5SonS_z0?si=EOENp0WCRLX3s1lb

Boriiiiing

i'm not gonna watch 1h30 long video when I can play the game and make my own opinion, or alternatively ask the gamers here in this forum to think for me about the civil war xD

Anyway i found an cool armor, it's decided i'm gonna side with the Empire

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3404153852

[The Cure]

Originally posted by Tranquilla:

Originally posted by FauxFurry:

Just about whatever reason one needs to side with either faction if one does not decide one's own can be found here:
https://youtu.be/-aX5SonS_z0?si=EOENp0WCRLX3s1lb

Boriiiiing

i'm not gonna watch 1h30 long video when I can play the game and make my own opinion, or alternatively ask the gamers here in this forum to think for me about the civil war xD

Anyway i found an cool armor, it's decided i'm gonna side with the Empire :drlivesey:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3404153852

Did you like the other armor set from that CC (Stormcloak) one? I think it's equally as cool as it's based on a Varangian guard armor, with the chainmail aventail helm. But yeah, both are extremely cool armor sets.

If you're doing the Imperial thing I would suggest going through the Bittercup CC and grab the Grand Champion's sword (Gladius). It matches the armor set even better than the sword (Dragon's Oath) you get from the Civil War Champions CC, plus it can be enchanted, unlike Dragon's Oath. Also, the Grand Champion's Helm is badass looking too. It's a Cassis Crista design like the Murmillo gladiators wore.