Did the Dwemer Create the Eye of Magnus?

[thelostgirl74]

I was talking with AI Savos Aren (Mantella Mod) about who built the Eye of Magnus. He suggested the Dwemer built it. Though they didnt use magic, they had knowledge of it.

Savos quoted to me, "Perhaps they (Dwemer) used their advanced knowledge of engineering and craftmanship to create a device that could harness and focus magical energies."

I think the humans had no knowledge that the Eye of Magus was in Sarthaal (or just didn't understand it). Maybe the Dwemer had stashed it there temporarily, only to vanish.

The early Nords were warriors, they would have been afraid of the Eye of Magus, so its possible it was already sealed away. Sarthaal could have been chosen as a convenient and secure location for imprisoning Jyrik, not knowing what the Dwemer left behind.

It's always a fun discussion, I never thought of the Dwemer creating the Eye of Magnus. It's possible though. It's fun discussing mysteries with the AI.

What do you think? Has anyone tried talking to the AI about the mysteries of the Elder Scrolls?

[Skumboni]

Never thought of asking as it does not matter.

[charlea]

It's from Magnus.

[Varanus]

Originally posted by thelostgirl74:

What do you think? Has anyone tried talking to the AI about the mysteries of the Elder Scrolls?

Have you? I mean, you're the one with the mod. I'm just a normal guy, with no AIs to talk to. :D

Edit: Unless OP is secretly an AI. :O

[charlea]

ok, technically according to the lore it's a thing with unknown origin, but literally only the staff of magnus and a few other things can interfere with its function so large probability it's what the ancient Kahjit myth have mentioned "Azurah ripped off one of his eyes and he lost the other with Boethra and Lorkhaj(aka Lorkhan, why are you everywhere?!) "

[charlea]

Again, guys use UESP please, everything is on there.......

[charlea]

Also another thing about that dwemer theory is that if they are able to built and control Eye of Magnus how supposed they lost the war with the Nords and other races, and why it's found near Winterhold but not near blackreach.

[thelostgirl74]

maybe he went on vacation? lol. Could have been a single dwarf experimenting just before the war, went to fight and was like, "Ill be right back." but never made it?

As for why they didn't use it, there could be several reasons:

1. Fear of Power: Even the Dwemer, with all their technological prowess, might have recognized the Eye's potential for catastrophic consequences. They could have hidden it to prevent misuse or unintended harm.

2. Incomplete Understanding: It's possible that the Dwemer created the Eye but never fully understood how to harness its power safely. Without a means to control it, they may have chosen to stash it away.

3. Unexpected Events: The Dwemer's sudden disappearance might have prevented them from ever using the Eye. If they intended to return to Saarthal but vanished before they could, the artifact would remain hidden.

4. Intentional Secrecy: The Dwemer were known for their secretive ways. They might have intended the Eye for a specific purpose, but their plans were lost with their disappearance.

[Valden21]

Originally posted by charlea24090451:

ok, technically according to the lore it's a thing with unknown origin, but literally only the staff of magnus and a few other things can interfere with its function so large probability it's what the ancient Kahjit myth have mentioned "Azurah ripped off one of his eyes and he lost the other with Boethra and Lorkhaj(aka Lorkhan, why are you everywhere?!) "

Eh, I don't QUITE agree with that. While I DO think that it's somehow connected to Magnus, I doubt that it's his eye. The reason for my doubt is that it's only the Khajit who have that legend. It seems that in TES lore, any time an event involving a diety actually happened, every major culture on Tamriel has its own version of the story, and the idea of Magnus losing his eye ONLY appears in Khajit mythology.

[Rez Elwin]

The Dwemer did use magic, quite a lot of it in fact. Tonal Architecture is sound based magic used to alter reality. The Dwemer were very adept at magic and technology.

The Eye was found by the Ancient Nords, and it was hid in Saarthal to hide it from the Snow Elves who wanted it for themselves. I don't know where you get that Nords were afraid of magic. that's not the case.

The Dwemer probably could've developed tools to work on it, if they ever knew about like they did with the Shor's Heart.

Considering that the Eye can be manipulated with the Staff of Magnus, I suspect it was something he left on Nirn when he departed this realm.

[Fear2288]

In TES, the gods are real. It’s not like our world where it’s all blind faith and hoping that your belief system is actually true.

That being said, while the Eye’s origins and true purpose is unknown to the mortals of the 4th Era, it’s entirely possible - if not likely - that it was created by Magnus himself for some reason and then abandoned on Nirn when he and the Magna Ge fled to Atherius.

I doubt it was created by the Dwemer.

The Eye is clearly something of great power and it’s hard to believe that the Dwemer would’ve created such a thing and then either just left it somewhere or lost it. Remember: when the Atmorans find it and the Snow Elves try and take it, the Dwemer are still around and they’re in Skyrim.

In the off chance that they created it and then misplaced it or forgot about it - as soon as the Atmorans found it and the Snow Elves learned of its existence and made moves to claim it, the Dwemer would’ve likely rolled in to take it back - not wanting it to fall into either groups hands.

[charlea]

Ok, guess what because of you guys asked that question I specifically looked into every piece of information and find this dialogue made by Tolfdir from UESP
“I'm sure you've already noticed the markings. They're quite unlike anything we've seen before. Ayleid, Dwemer, Daedric... Not even Falmer. None of them are a match. Quite curious indeed. Now, I'm not quite sure that you're quite as attuned as I am, given my extensive years of experience, but can you feel that? This marvelous object. It practically radiates magicka, and yet it's unlike anything I've felt before. Arch-Mage Aren is already hard at work, and hopefully we'll have more information soon. Now, I...”

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Tolfdir

In the dialogue portion under quest Good Intentions, thus with this evidence given directly from Bethesda and everyone knows Nords just found it, but not built it, so the only faction that have such high level magic knowledge that’s able to build this entire thing would be the Adriaic Divines, thus problem solved.

[charlea]

It’s not that fled guy’s eye but definitely something that’s directly related with the source of his power.

[The Cure]

Magnus created the Eye, just like he created his staff.

Khajiit believe that their version of Azura (Azurah) created the gem stone at Magnus' (Magrus') behest. Thus it's still Magnus' will that created the stone.

That's pretty much all we'll know on the matter until ESO or ES VI expands on the Magnus lore.

[SpeedFreak1972]

Whatever they say in a mod isn't exactly canon

[Valden21]

Originally posted by charlea24090451:

Ok, guess what because of you guys asked that question I specifically looked into every piece of information and find this dialogue made by Tolfdir from UESP
“I'm sure you've already noticed the markings. They're quite unlike anything we've seen before. Ayleid, Dwemer, Daedric... Not even Falmer. None of them are a match. Quite curious indeed. Now, I'm not quite sure that you're quite as attuned as I am, given my extensive years of experience, but can you feel that? This marvelous object. It practically radiates magicka, and yet it's unlike anything I've felt before. Arch-Mage Aren is already hard at work, and hopefully we'll have more information soon. Now, I...”

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Tolfdir

In the dialogue portion under quest Good Intentions, thus with this evidence given directly from Bethesda and everyone knows Nords just found it, but not built it, so the only faction that have such high level magic knowledge that’s able to build this entire thing would be the Adriaic Divines, thus problem solved.

It's not necessarily the Divines. There are two other Ehlnofey factions that have the ability to make something like the Eye. One of them is the Daedric Princes, as the main difference between them is that while they both supported the idea of creating Nirn, the Aedra directly contributed to the creation, while the Daedra did not. The other faction, the one that Magnus led, is the Magnus Ge; they're the ones who left Mundus altogether. As Magnus is the deity who's most directly linked to magic, the Eye is most likely one of his creations. This is supported by the fact that influencing the Eye requires the Staff of Magnus, a staff that he said to have actually used and which is strongly associated with him.