The Falmer ARE the Dwemer

[LunaVTF.bsp]

Why is that so?
Because.. because...

Once upon a time there was a Scientist Dwemer.
He wrote a lot of Scientific Papers.
In the end. He wanted to answer one Question.
Divine Power.
So he nabbed a priest of Azura and summoned Azura.
Azura then was presented with a Box and told to say what is inside.
She was obviously pissed by such a basic thing.
She said there was a Rose inside it.
The Dwemer Scientist opened the Box. The Box is revealed to be Empty.
Azura left by the time the Box was opened.
The Dwemer Scientist then started dieing. And a flower fell from his sleeve.
He tricked Azura.

The Dwemer didnt exactly accept either Deadra nor Aedra.
Quite the opposite actually. Its like you put a group of NASA Scientists into 1500s Europe and expect them to not be burned at the stake for attempting to introduce Modern Technology because "Witchcraft" and Religion quite literally controlling everything and everyone being very much fanatic in their pursuit of Religion.

So. Some Daedra or Aedra had their Ego bruised by the actions of the Dwemer.
And decided to punish them by taking away everything that made the Dwemer the Dwemer.
Sight and Intelligence.
Falmer are retarded. Falmer are blind.
Aside from Chorus and the usual Frosbite Spider infestation they live alongside of... there is nobody else in the Dwemer ruins. The only thing resembling what may be a Dwemer are the Falmer.
They were punished. For being intelligent and taking a ♥♥♥♥ on Aedra/Daedra.
This is even the most likely thing to have had happened.
They pissed off one of em.
Maybe Meridia (Very demanding. That ego got to be massive). Or Azura. Or Sheogorath (He is a madman, he would have punished them for just calling him a "poop" as well.).
Yes their most likely fate is definetly someone of Divine power getting butthurt because of a bruised ego. I mean how can a God now be a total Narcissist? With the amount of people up the ass six ways to Sunday.

[Alex]

No. This is utter BS.

Consider 2 points.

1. The Dwemer disappearance is a mystery, and the devs want to keep it that way. They imply various stuff, including divine punishment, but ultimately, it's just hearsay. It was designed that way at the beginning, and having an unsolved mystery makes the game seem deeper as it is. Not to mention that bethesda doesn't have skilled enough writers to unveil said mystery in a satisfactory manner. So they keep it as is.

2. The Falmer are merely a goblin replacement. Yes, that's it. There was no prior lore on them being like that, it's just a plain ol' ass-pull. Don't think too hard about it, the devs most certainly did not.

[LunaVTF.bsp]

Originally posted by Alex:

No. This is utter BS.

Consider 2 points.

1. The Dwemer disappearance is a mystery, and the devs want to keep it that way. They imply various stuff, including divine punishment, but ultimately, it's just hearsay. It was designed that way at the beginning, and having an unsolved mystery makes the game seem deeper as it is. Not to mention that bethesda doesn't have skilled enough writers to unveil said mystery in a satisfactory manner. So they keep it as is.

2. The Falmer are merely a goblin replacement. Yes, that's it. There was no prior lore on them being like that, it's just a plain ol' ass-pull. Don't think too hard about it, the devs most certainly did not.

Dunno whether they want to keep it that way. Considering the creative bankruptcy and lack of ES6.
Is going to be funny how we get GTA 6 before a new Elderscrolls.

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

Some of the Dwemer became Falmer. Not all. The lore gets kind of complex behind it all but some survived, some became Falmer and some may have escaped reality somehow.

[Madao]

The Falmer are the Snow Elves who were crippled and corrupted over centuries by the Dwemer.

They are the original inhabitants of Skyrim and were driven underground by the Nords who came from Atmora and didn't feel like sharing the new place they washed up in.
There they forged an alliance with the Dwemer but the Dwemer betrayed them and used them as test subjects for all kinds of stuff.

[Altbert]

As far as we know Yagrum Bagarn (Morrowind) was the last Dwemer alive in the game, half Dwemer and half Dwemer automaton.

[Nitemares]

You know you can meet a dwemer Marrowing right?

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Yagrum_Bagarn

And he too has his own theories as to what happened to his people..

[psychotron666]

Originally posted by Altbert:

As far as we know Yagrum Bagarn (Morrowind) was the last Dwemer alive in the game, half Dwemer and half Dwemer automaton.

I wouldn't say he's half automaton unless you consider a guy in a wheelchair as a cyborg.

[Altbert]

Originally posted by psychotron666:

Originally posted by Altbert:

As far as we know Yagrum Bagarn (Morrowind) was the last Dwemer alive in the game, half Dwemer and half Dwemer automaton.

I wouldn't say he's half automaton unless you consider a guy in a wheelchair as a cyborg.

Yagrum has no lower part body, which is replaced by 6 overgrown parts of a Dwemer spider. I don't think you have made a valid comparison.

[Alex]

Originally posted by Altbert:

Originally posted by psychotron666:

I wouldn't say he's half automaton unless you consider a guy in a wheelchair as a cyborg.

Yagrum has no lower part body, which is replaced by 6 overgrown parts of a Dwemer spider. I don't think you have made a valid comparison.

What's the toughest part of a vegetable?

The wheelchair.

Anyway, OP seems to have no idea about the Dwemer lore. Why not take a look there:
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dwemer

[psychotron666]

Originally posted by Altbert:

Originally posted by psychotron666:

I wouldn't say he's half automaton unless you consider a guy in a wheelchair as a cyborg.

Yagrum has no lower part body, which is replaced by 6 overgrown parts of a Dwemer spider. I don't think you have made a valid comparison.

They aren't replaced. He's literally sitting on a wheelchair that is spider legs instead of wheels.

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

Some of the Dwemer became Falmer. Not all. The lore gets kind of complex behind it all but some survived, some became Falmer and some may have escaped reality somehow.

Not even close.

The lore directly says this isn't the case.... you might want to read it before trying to discuss it.

Dwemer disappeared after experimenting on the Heart of Lorkhan, no further explanation given.
Falmer survivors were taken in by the Dwemer and fed poisonous mushroom until they mutated and went mad with pain.
Chimer were the ones who did the stupid trick with Azura, or it might be made up (and the cause might be the Tribunal, Almalexia, Vivec and Sotha Sil, stealing the Chimer/Dunmer from the Daedra, mainly by using the Heart of Lorkhan to replace them), anyway the Chimer became the Dunmer.

Note separation of the parts, not an unholy amalgam of the lot

[LunaVTF.bsp]

Originally posted by Alex:

Originally posted by Altbert:

Yagrum has no lower part body, which is replaced by 6 overgrown parts of a Dwemer spider. I don't think you have made a valid comparison.

What's the toughest part of a vegetable?

The wheelchair.

Anyway, OP seems to have no idea about the Dwemer lore. Why not take a look there:
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dwemer

Glad that isnt a fandom link lol. Screw Fandom.

[Fear2288]

The Falmer of 4E201 are the descendants of the Snow Elves.

Heck, that’s what “Falmer” actually means.

When Ysgramor and his 500 Companions returned to Skyrim to seek revenge for the Night of Tears, they successfully conquered the region and killed most of the Ancient Falmer in the process.

Some Falmer retreated to the Forgotten Vale (whose location was unknown to the Atmorans) and sought refuge at the Chantry of Auriel, while others begged the Dwemer for asylum.

The Dwemer of Skyrim, who weren’t exactly on great terms with the Falmer, agreed to help them nonetheless but at a price: they had to allow themselves to be blinded via the consumption of toxic fungi.

It wasn’t long before the Dwemer betrayed the Falmer and took advantage of their weakness: forcing them into servitude and slavery, and meeting any resistance to it with torture and brutality.

Eventually, a full on rebellion took place among the Falmer slaves and The War of the Crag raged beneath the surface of Skyrim - entirely unknown to those on the surface.

The war came to an abrupt end though when the Dwemer suddenly vanished, leaving these Falmer slaves on their own, trapped underground in the Dwemer cities and unable to escape due to their blindness and the still active Automatons and other defenses.

So they stayed underground and retreated further into the cave systems and tunnels beneath Skyrim.

Over the centuries, their physical bodies began to change and adapt to subterranean living, and their minds devolved to a more animalistic state. They also managed to form a kind of symbiotic relationship with the Chaurus - acting as protectors of the Chaurus nests and providing food for them, while being allowed to harvest Chaurus chitin to create weapons, armor, etc and utilizing the Chaurus as allies to attack/ambush any who dare set foot in their territory.

Back over at the Chantry, the few remaining true Falmer lived in secluded peace for a time, but then Vyrthur - the Arch-Curate - was infected with vampirism by one of his initiates. Devastated and enraged by Auriel’s failure to protect and cure him, Vyrthur forsook Auriel and used the twisted Falmer to attack the Chantry and kill all the other elves - leaving only he and his brother Gelebor (who was indefinitely posted to stand watch at the first Wayshrine) alive.

Unsatisfied with leaving his revenge there, Vyrthur wanted to corrupt one of his former god’s most powerful artifacts on Nirn: Auriel’s Bow. To do this, he needed to bathe it in the blood of one of the most evil beings in existence: a pure blooded Daughter of Coldharbour.

Unable or unwilling to leave the Forgotten Vale to find and kidnap one, Vyrthur fabricated a prophecy, one that told of how Auriel’s Bow could be corrupted and used to cast the world into eternal night. His hope was that an ambitious vampire with aspirations of world domination would eventually seek out the bow and bring a Daughter of Coldharbour to his doorstep - allowing him to dispatch the would-be conqueror, and exsanguinate the DoC to finally have his revenge against Auriel.

[SpotFord]

The Dwemer are sounding more and more like d1cks.

[Fear2288]

Originally posted by SpotFord:

The Dwemer are sounding more and more like d1cks.

They 100% were.

They’re all about practicality, logic, and the pursuit of intellectual and technological advancements.

From the little we know, the Dwemer seemed to take a cold, calculating, and almost mathematical approach to everything they did - with little room for compassion, empathy, and morality.