Consistent CTD near Riverwood

[ShadowDrengr]

For some reason whenever I approach riverwood my game immediately ctds.

I have tried uninstalling mods that affect the riverwood area and many other methods to fix the problem.

I have sse engine fixes installed, here is my load order below.


GameMode=SkyrimSE

Skyrim.esm=1
Update.esm=1
Dawnguard.esm=1
HearthFires.esm=1
Dragonborn.esm=1
ccasvsse001-almsivi.esm=1
ccBGSSSE001-Fish.esm=1
ccbgssse002-exoticarrows.esl=1
ccbgssse003-zombies.esl=1
ccbgssse004-ruinsedge.esl=1
ccbgssse005-goldbrand.esl=1
ccbgssse006-stendarshammer.esl=1
ccbgssse007-chrysamere.esl=1
ccbgssse010-petdwarvenarmoredmudcrab.esl=1
ccbgssse011-hrsarmrelvn.esl=1
ccbgssse012-hrsarmrstl.esl=1
ccbgssse014-spellpack01.esl=1
ccbgssse019-staffofsheogorath.esl=1
ccbgssse020-graycowl.esl=1
ccbgssse021-lordsmail.esl=1
ccmtysse001-knightsofthenine.esl=1
ccQDRSSE001-SurvivalMode.esl=1
cctwbsse001-puzzledungeon.esm=1
cceejsse001-hstead.esm=1
ccqdrsse002-firewood.esl=1
ccbgssse018-shadowrend.esl=1
ccbgssse035-petnhound.esl=1
ccfsvsse001-backpacks.esl=1
cceejsse002-tower.esl=1
ccedhsse001-norjewel.esl=1
ccvsvsse002-pets.esl=1
ccBGSSSE037-Curios.esl=1
ccbgssse034-mntuni.esl=1
ccbgssse045-hasedoki.esl=1
ccbgssse008-wraithguard.esl=1
ccbgssse036-petbwolf.esl=1
ccffbsse001-imperialdragon.esl=1
ccmtysse002-ve.esl=1
ccbgssse043-crosselv.esl=1
ccvsvsse001-winter.esl=1
cceejsse003-hollow.esl=1
ccbgssse016-umbra.esm=1
ccbgssse031-advcyrus.esm=1
ccbgssse038-bowofshadows.esl=1
ccbgssse040-advobgobs.esl=1
ccbgssse050-ba_daedric.esl=1
ccbgssse052-ba_iron.esl=1
ccbgssse054-ba_orcish.esl=1
ccbgssse058-ba_steel.esl=1
ccbgssse059-ba_dragonplate.esl=1
ccbgssse061-ba_dwarven.esl=1
ccpewsse002-armsofchaos.esl=1
ccbgssse041-netchleather.esl=1
ccedhsse002-splkntset.esl=1
ccbgssse064-ba_elven.esl=1
ccbgssse063-ba_ebony.esl=1
ccbgssse062-ba_dwarvenmail.esl=1
ccbgssse060-ba_dragonscale.esl=1
ccbgssse056-ba_silver.esl=1
ccbgssse055-ba_orcishscaled.esl=1
ccbgssse053-ba_leather.esl=1
ccbgssse051-ba_daedricmail.esl=1
ccbgssse057-ba_stalhrim.esl=1
ccbgssse066-staves.esl=1
ccbgssse067-daedinv.esm=1
ccbgssse068-bloodfall.esl=1
ccbgssse069-contest.esl=1
ccvsvsse003-necroarts.esl=1
ccvsvsse004-beafarmer.esl=1
ccBGSSSE025-AdvDSGS.esm=1
ccffbsse002-crossbowpack.esl=1
ccbgssse013-dawnfang.esl=1
ccrmssse001-necrohouse.esl=1
ccedhsse003-redguard.esl=1
cceejsse004-hall.esl=1
cceejsse005-cave.esm=1
cckrtsse001_altar.esl=1
cccbhsse001-gaunt.esl=1
ccafdsse001-dwesanctuary.esm=1
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp=1
Lux - Resources.esp=1
LegacyoftheDragonborn.esm=1
MagicalCollegeofWinterhold.esp=1
Lux Via.esp=1
PiratesNorth.esp=1
RealisticWaterTwo - Resources.esm=1
Lux Via - Markarth Farm overhaul.esp=1
arnima.esm=1
BSAssets.esm=1
BSHeartland.esm=1
BS_DLC_patch.esp=1
Campfire.esm=1
RaceCompatibility.esm=1
Falskaar.esm=1
Better Dynamic Snow SE - DisableRefs.esm=1
maslea.esm=1
Midwood Isle.esp=1
Apachii_DivineEleganceStore.esm=1
DMSwelgn.esl=1
TravellersOfSkyrim.esm=1
AmethystHollowsMaster.esm=1
ShumerWorld.esm=1
SkyUI_SE.esp=1
Better Dynamic Snow SE.esp=1
Immersive Wenches.esp=1
FNIS.esp=1
IcePenguinWorldMap.esp=1
New Hagravens.esp=1
KS Hairdo's.esp=1
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp=1
ShumerNWa.esp=1
DepthsOfSkyrim.esp=1
JKs Skyrim.esp=1
HearthfireMultiKid.esp=1
hearthfireextended.esp=1
HFE-CC Fishing Patch.esp=1
COTN - Winterhold.esp=1
TheBawbsShire.esp=1
ct15cc-TundraHomesteadExpanded.esp=1
MCoW_EndofLoadOrderOverwrite.esp=1
Bijin Wives.esp=1
RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp=1
Footprints.esp=1
RLO - Effects.esp=1
The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp=1
DustEffectsSSE.esp=1
Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp=1
Immersive Jewelry.esp=1
BlackwaterMansion.esp=1
Friendlier Taverns.esp=1
Cutting Room Floor.esp=1
Lux Via - plugin.esp=1
The Great Town of Ivarstead.esp=1
JK's The Bards College.esp=1
The Great Town of Karthwasten.esp=1
The Great Town of Shor's Stone.esp=1
BlackthornManor.esp=1
RLO - Exteriors.esp=1
PAN_Sovngarde.esp=1
Thundering Shouts.esp=1
Aasimar Race.esp=1
PAN_Initiates.esp=1
JK's Whiterun's Outskirts.esp=1
SeaPointSettlement.esp=1
Cidhna Mine Expanded.esp=1
Motte & Bailey.esp=1
JK's High Hrothgar.esp=1
YOT - Your Own Thoughts.esp=1
Apachii_DivineEleganceStore_JoP_Patch.esp=1
ImmersiveJewelryXSummermyst - Unrestricted.esp=1
Joy of Perspective.esp=1
BUVARP SE RE.esp=1
JK's Sky Haven Temple.esp=1
Immersive Encounters.esp=1
Amber Guard.esp=1
SeranaDialogAddon.esp=1
OpulentThievesGuild.esp=1
Ryn's Standing Stones.esp=1
RREnhanced.esp=1
HF Extended - BS Bruma Patch.esp=1
JK's Riften Outskirts.esp=1
The Great Village of Mixwater Mill.esp=1
RiftenLaketown.esp=1
LC_BuildYourNobleHouse.esp=1
Man Those Borders!.esp=1
Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp=1
MoonAndStar_MAS.esp=1
Undeath.esp=1
SpiceOfLife - OrcLStrongholds.esp=1
LC_FeudalKeep.esp=1
Point The Way.esp=1
NorthernTowns.esp=1
Gourmet.esp=1
GourmetTables.esp=1
MrissiTailOfTroubles.esp=1
NewBosmerHouse.esp=1
telmith.esp=1
aaaGraniteHill.esp=1
RiftenExtension.esp=1
danyanavysofskyrim.esp=1
Travellersinn.esp=1
HarvestOverhaul_Redone.esp=1
TimberSprings.esp=1
Populated Cities Towns Villages Legendary.esp=1
Serenity.esp=1
OpulentThievesGuildPatch.esp=1
Bruggen.esp=1
AzuraHouse.esp=1
AngasMillMod.esp=1
Morskom.esp=1
Solitude Docks.esp=1
MillwaterRetreat.esp=1
SkyrimSewers.esp=1
More Clutter In Skyrim.esp=1
playerhousewlibrary.esp=1
Morning Fogs SSE.esp=1
TSR_TeldrynSerious.esp=1
PAN_NPCs_DB.esp=1
Antennaria.esp=1
River Rock Village.esp=1
Run For Your Lives.esp=1
Cloaks.esp=1
ZIA_Complete Pack.esp=1
Detailed Exteriors.esp=1
Skyrim Trading Posts.esp=1
Raven Rock.esp=1
Dwarfsphere.esp=1
GnarBulwark.esp=1
Witcher Horses 2.0.esp=1
WindstadMine.esp=1
Inigo.esp=1
Bijin NPCs.esp=1
Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp=1
PAN_NPCs_Males.esp=1
TownOfPinewatch.esp=1
Milos Hot Springs.esp=1
TacticalValtheim.esp=1
Populated Lands Roads Paths.esp=1
More Inns.esp=1
Skaal Village.esp=1
Apatoiah.esp=1
melytower.esp=1
fantasystylefollowers.esp=1
Bannered_Mare_Inn_Rooms.esp=1
0Kaidan.esp=1
TKAA.esp=1
Windstad Improvements.esp=1
Immersive Followers.esp=1
Frostfall.esp=1
WetandCold.esp=1
Dunpar Wall.esp=1
Fleetford.esp=1
elvenwood.esp=1
Ars Metallica.esp=1
Dr_Bandolier.esp=1
Killable Children.esp=1
KC - USLEEP Patch.esp=1
MBWSAmalia.esp=1
azelfollower.esp=1
Phoecont0.esp=1
sandboxcylinderheight.esp=1
SkoomaDen.esp=1
DBM_AHO_Patch.esp=1
Solstheim Trading Posts.esp=1
HF_Lakeview_PHB_EX.esp=1
DweADwemerCliff.esp=1
Lux Via - Solitude Docks patch.esp=1
Overstead.esp=1
Watchtowers of Skyrim.esp=1
Throne of the Jeralls.esp=1
ThanedomAudnhold.esp=1
Heljarchen1.0.esp=1
Deus Mons.esp=1
VikingShipPlayerHome.esp=1
Gonzeh - Rorikstead Manor.esp=1
Immersive Patrols II.esp=1
JNL - Lots More Followers.esp=1
TheCoffeeHouse.esp=1
gonkishvampdens.esp=1
00MarzWindhelmHome.esp=1
FrostpeakLodge.esp=1
Apachii_DivineEleganceStore_Patch.esp=1
ElysiumEstate.esp=1
Ryns_Standing_Stones_-_Moon_and_Star_Patch.esp=1
DBM_JKSkyrim_Patch.esp=1
Ravenstone Castle.esp=1
DBM_CRF_Patch.esp=1
Lux Via - Windstad Mine patch.esp=1
HothFollower.esp=1
Eli_Sicarius' Refuge.esp=1
Myrkheimr SE.esp=1
Unique Goldenglow Estate Crossing.esp=1
JKs Skyrim_GonkishVampDen_Patch.esp=1
A Lot More Idle Marker.esp=1
DBM_MAS_Patch.esp=1
Korosukenari - Followers.esp=1
College Of Winterhold - Quest Expansion.esp=1
Zulfardin, the Wretched Hive.esp=1
TrustyHPFollowerPack.esp=1
Luna_GoV.esp=1
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp=1
SBHShack.esp=1
GKFollowerPack.esp=1
Esther.esp=1
Chaconne.esp=1
DBM_Undeath_Patch.esp=1
AzuraShrineExtra.esp=1
Bijin Warmaidens.esp=1
Viking's Longhouse.esp=1
KolskeggrMinersHall.esp=1
DBM_ZimsThaneWeapons_Patch.esp=1
DBM_Falskaar_Patch.esp=1
GreaterSaarthal.esp=1
HoldBorderBanners.esp=1
Sunthgat.esp=1
White River Farm.esp=1
Optional.DibellaStatuesFixes.esp=1
Lux Via - Markarth Farm patch.esp=1
FalkreathCabin.esp=1
Dreamborne Islands.esp=1
hunter_camp.esp=1
WhiteLighthouseSE.esp=1
PAN_FollowerPack1.esp=1
LunarLattice.esp=1
MCoW_Cutting Room Floor.esp=1
MCoW_LOTD.esp=1
MCoW_CampfirePatch.esp=1
HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp=1
PAN_NPCs_Males2.esp=1
Seraphim - PrettyCourier.esp=1
RichMerchantsSkyrim_x5.esp=1
YOT - Frostfall Module.esp=1
YOT - Beyond Reach.esp=1
YOT - Falskaar.esp=1
YOT - Cutting Room Floor.esp=1
YOT - Thunderchild.esp=1
YOT - Survival Mode.esp=1
YOT - Wet and Cold.esp=1
YOT - Camping.esp=1
YOT - Nix Hound.esp=1
YOT - Shadowrend.esp=1
YOT - Tundra Homestead.esp=1
YOT - Myrwatch.esp=1
YOT - Pets of Skyrim.esp=1
YOT - Bone Wolf.esp=1
YOT - Wild Horses.esp=1
YOT - Civil War Champions.esp=1
YOT - Forgotten Seasons.esp=1
YOT - Wraithguard.esp=1
YOT - Vigil Enforcer Armor Set.esp=1
YOT - LOTD.esp=1
YOT - Shadowfoot.esp=1
YOT - Umbra.esp=1
YOT - Project AHO.esp=1
YOT - Dawnfang and Duskfang.esp=1
YOT - Hendhraheim.esp=1
YOT - Saints & Seducers.esp=1
YOT - Bruma.esp=1
YOT - GOTT.esp=1
YOT - Fishing.esp=1
YOT - KOTN.esp=1
YOT - The Cause.esp=1
YOT - The Contest.esp=1
YOT - Grimoire.esp=1
YOT - Farming.esp=1
YOT - Bloodchill Manor.esp=1
YOT - Gallows Hall.esp=1
Diverse Character Creation.esp=1
SSE High Quality Music.esp=1
UIExtensions.esp=1
Jewelry limiter.esp=1
MCoW_FullAE.esp=1
Lucien.esp=1
SkyDreamKittens.esp=1
Populated Solstheim.esp=1
DBM_SkyrimSewers_Patch.esp=1
kxk_apocryphahome.esp=1
Retching Netch Seating.esp=1
DBM_BeyondReach_Patch.esp=1
DBM_ImmersiveJewelry_Patch.esp=1
DBM_CloaksofSkyrim_Patch.esp=1
DBM_TeldrynSerious_Patch.esp=1
DBM_HearthfireExtended_Patch.esp=1
Lucien-AnniversaryEdition-Patch.esp=1
lucien replacer new.esp=1
Witcher Horses - Black Unicorn - Black Gold - Wings Down.esp=1
Witcher Horses - Nightmare - Black Red - Wings Down.esp=1
Witcher Horses - Unicorn - Blue - Wings Down.esp=1
halfdragonrace.esp=1
MagesPack.esp=1
EclipseHeimFollowers.esp=1
SineadFollower.esp=1
Karlov_Brood_SE.esp=1
RaceMenu.esp=1
XPMSE.esp=1
RaceMenuPlugin.esp=1
Bandit Lines Expansion.esp=1
Cow_EasyEditionPatch.esp=1
DBM_DepthsofSkyrim_Patch.esp=1
Windstad Improvements - Hearthfire Extended Patch.esp=1
RosaFollower.esp=1
Daedric ♥♥♥♥♥♥.esp=1
PAN_NPCs_DG.esp=1
TheEyesOfBeauty.esp=1
FEC.esp=1
(SDZ21) Roxy Follower.esp=1
CBBE.esp=1
ImprovedHearthfireLighting.esp=1
Shiva's Beautiful Presets Vanilla Hair.esp=1
GourmetUSSEP.esp=1
GoldDropEmpoweredv1.esp=1
I4IconAddon.esp=1
Bandanas of Skyrim.esp=1
Sidequests of Skyrim.esp=1
TravellersOfSkyrim - Vanilla.esp=1
AmethystHollowsUpdate.esp=1
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp=1
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp=1
Immersive Wenches -Immersive Citizens AI Overhaul Patch-.esp=1
Castle Volkihar Rebuilt.esp=1
Immersive Horses.esp=1
Witcher Horses - Immersive Horses Patch.esp=1
DBM_ImmersiveHorses_Patch.esp=1
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp=1
nwsFollowerFramework.esp=1
RLO - Interiors.esp=1
RLO - Illuminated Spells.esp=1
RLO - IC Patch.esp=1
Open Cities Skyrim.esp=1
JKs Skyrim_Open Cities_Patch.esp=1
RealisticWaterTwo.esp=1
fortdawnguardimmersive.esp=1
IFDImmPatrolsIIPatch.esp=1
FDIRLOInteriorsPatch.esp=1
RealisticWaterTwo - Alt Volcanic Watercolor.esp=1
RealisticWaterTwo - Beyond Reach.esp=1
RealisticWaterTwo - Beyond Skyrim Bruma.esp=1
RealisticWaterTwo - Falskaar.esp=1
RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Falskaar.esp=1
RealisticWaterTwo - Myrwatch Patch.esp=1

if anyone can give me an idea as to what the problem is, whether it's something conflicting or otherwise, please let me know.

[ShadowDrengr]

Crash log below..

Skyrim SSE v1.6.640
CrashLoggerSSE v1-10-0-0 Sep 5 2023 01:25:07

Unhandled exception "EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION" at 0x7FF6AFE93232 SkyrimSE.exe+1123232 test byte ptr [rbx+0x82], 0x02

SYSTEM SPECS:
OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Home v10.0.19045
CPU: AuthenticAMD AMD Ryzen 5 3600 6-Core Processor
GPU #1: Nvidia GA106 [GeForce RTX 3060]
GPU #2: Microsoft Basic Render Driver
PHYSICAL MEMORY: 23.63 GB/31.93 GB
GPU MEMORY: 8.72/10.77 GB

PROBABLE CALL STACK:
[ 0] 0x7FF6AFE93232 SkyrimSE.exe+1123232 -> 90654+0x12 test byte ptr [rbx+0x82], 0x02
[ 1] 0x7FF6AFE9A9AA SkyrimSE.exe+112A9AA -> 90853+0x3A test al, al
[ 2] 0x7FF6AF492FA3 SkyrimSE.exe+0722FA3 -> 41607+0x73 movzx esi, al
[ 3] 0x7FF6AF3A8E5C SkyrimSE.exe+0638E5C -> 37801+0x10C nop
[ 4] 0x7FF6AF1B27C4 SkyrimSE.exe+04427C4 -> 29199+0x294 test al, al
[ 5] 0x7FF6AF1B4538 SkyrimSE.exe+0444538 -> 29254+0x1A8 mov rax, [rdi]
[ 6] 0x7FF6AF3EB571 SkyrimSE.exe+067B571 -> 39111+0x151 inc ebx
[ 7] 0x7FF6AF3F1CC9 SkyrimSE.exe+0681CC9 -> 39222+0xF9 movzx r15d, al
[ 8] 0x7FF6AF42F945 SkyrimSE.exe+06BF945 -> 40072+0x7E5 jmp 0x00007FF6AF42F55D
[ 9] 0x7FF6AF3E9E69 SkyrimSE.exe+0679E69 -> 39108+0x59 jmp 0x00007FF6AF3EAAD2
[10] 0x7FF6AF37DCE1 SkyrimSE.exe+060DCE1 -> 37347+0x821 mov rcx, [0x00007FF6B0CCA780]
[11] 0x7FF6AF47FC27 SkyrimSE.exe+070FC27 -> 41305+0x247 jmp 0x00007FF6AF47FC3E
[12] 0x7FF6AF47EBD1 SkyrimSE.exe+070EBD1 -> 41296+0x371 cmp byte ptr [rbp+0x67], 0x00
[13] 0x7FF6AF35D81F SkyrimSE.exe+05ED81F -> 36580+0x1F mov rcx, [0x00007FF6B1D31B78]
[14] 0x7FF6AF9DC628 SkyrimSE.exe+0C6C628 -> 69378+0xD8 mov ecx, [rbx+0x0C]
[15] 0x7FF6AF9DCBF1 SkyrimSE.exe+0C6CBF1 -> 69380+0x361 mov r15d, eax
[16] 0x7FF6AF9DAF7A SkyrimSE.exe+0C6AF7A -> 69344+0x8A movzx eax, byte ptr [rbx+0xA74]
[17] 0x7FF6AF9B5E4D SkyrimSE.exe+0C45E4D -> 68445+0x3D mov rcx, [0x00007FF6B1D76898]
[18] 0x7FFF84D27344 KERNEL32.DLL+0017344
[19] 0x7FFF854426B1 ntdll.dll+00526B1

REGISTERS:
RAX 0x30 (size_t) [48]
RCX 0x10 (size_t) [16]
RDX 0x239ECFEFC0 (void*)
RBX 0x0 (size_t) [0]
RSP 0x239ECFEE30 (void*)
RBP 0x239ECFEFC0 (void*)
RSI 0x21CCC581B00 (void*)
RDI 0x21D42F3B298 (MovementPathManagerArbiter*)
R8 0x7FF6B065A508 (void* -> SkyrimSE.exe+18EA508 )
R9 0x7 (size_t) [7]
R10 0xB (size_t) [11]
R11 0xFFFFFFFF (size_t) [4294967295]
R12 0xFFFFFFFF (size_t) [4294967295]
R13 0x22167E25BE8 (void*)
R14 0x239ECFEF00 (void*)
R15 0x239ECFEFC0 (void*)

STACK:
[RSP+0 ] 0x239ECFEF08 (void*)
[RSP+8 ] 0x0 (size_t) [0]
[RSP+10 ] 0x21CCC569C00 (Character*)
File: "Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp"
Modified by: Skyrim.esm -> Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
Flags: 0x00400409
Name: "Uthgerd the Unbroken"
FormID: 0x00091918
FormType: ActorCharacter (62)
Object Reference:
File: "Bijin Warmaidens.esp"
Modified by: Skyrim.esm -> Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp -> Bijin Warmaidens.esp
Flags: 0x00440009 kDestructible | kInitialized
Name: "Uthgerd the Unbroken"
FormID: 0x000918E2
FormType: NPC (43)
File: "Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp"
Modified by: Skyrim.esm -> Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
Flags: 0x00400409 kDestructible | kInitialized
FormID: 0x00091918

[CEPHY]

I would assume there's a incompatibility with AI Overhaul and Bijin somewhere, as to my knowledge, NPC overhauls don't play well with AI mods.

Don't quote me on that, though. I can't read crash logs for the life of me lol

[Charlemagne]

Uninstall everything and try one by one

[Altbert]

I think (not really sure) CEPHY is right. Incompatibility issues between AI Overhaul, Immersive Citizens and Bijin. Are you using SSE Engine Fixes? This might solve some issues, but probably not all.

[ShadowDrengr]

Thank you for the help guys, unfortunately it turned out to be Ai overhaul causing the problem on its own. sucks cause i like that mod and i haven't had trouble with it before. anyways you guys saved me a lot of trouble narrowing it down.

[Caramel_Clown]

Christ, I'm surprised game even starts with all those mods. There's barely any of the original game left in it.

[CEPHY]

Originally posted by lilyofpurity:

Thank you for the help guys, unfortunately it turned out to be Ai overhaul causing the problem on its own. sucks cause i like that mod and i haven't had trouble with it before. anyways you guys saved me a lot of trouble narrowing it down.

Have you looked up any compatibility patches?
Because I'm using Immersive Citizens AI Overhaul with Bijin myself, and my Riverwood doesn't crash.

[smr1957]

The incompatibility has nothing to do with Bijin (or any NPC replacers - which usually have no effect whatsoever on NPC AI behavior)- that basically just changes the appearance. Also, Crash logs are mostly useless - to troubleshoot your build, follow this general outline:

Troubleshooting Your Load Order
https://steamcommunity.com/app/489830/discussions/0/3109142236155416522/

Link is from the following section of the PINNED TOPIC Helpful Links and References:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2882871440

Finally, if you are using NPC AI modifiers (such as Immersive Citizens and AI Overhaul) they are incompatible, as they are changing the same things

Good luck!

[CEPHY]

Originally posted by smr1957:

The incompatibility has nothing to do with Bijin (or any NPC replacers - which usually have no effect whatsoever on NPC AI behavior)- that basically just changes the appearance. Also, Crash logs are mostly useless - to troubleshoot your build, follow this general outline:

Troubleshooting Your Load Order
https://steamcommunity.com/app/489830/discussions/0/3109142236155416522/

Link is from the following section of the PINNED TOPIC Helpful Links and References:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2882871440

Finally, if you are using NPC AI modifiers (such as Immersive Citizens and AI Overhaul) they are incompatible, as they are changing the same things

Good luck!

No, no, the mod is literally called "Immersive Citizens - Ai overhaul". It's one mod. it just has the exact same name as another mod that's only called "AI Overhaul".

And since removing IC seems to have fixed OP's problem, there's definitely a incompatibility somewhere. And I can't think of any other than NPC Overhauls, since AI mods do infact make changes to NPCs themselves.

There's a reason you always need like 5 compatibility patches for NPC overhauls and for things that don't seem to have anything to do with them.

[smr1957]

As I said, Bijin mods DO NOT cause the issue being described - at all. But, Immersive Citizen does conflict with a lot of town overhauls or mods that change the navmesh - and that can also be a souce of the problem. But, it is DEFINITELY NOT a conflict with any of the Bijin mods and Immersive Citizens - or anything else (the worst you would get from a mod conflicting with Bijin or most NPC replacers, is the dark face bug).

But if Removing Immersive Citizens fixes it, then that is the way to go - just remember that you need to roll back to a save made BEFORE Immersive Citizens was installed, or you will bork your game.

For full and definitive information as to why the vast majority of mods cannot be uninstalled midplaythrough, read the following completely:

You CANNOT Remove Mods Mid-Playthrough
https://steamcommunity.com/app/489830/discussions/0/1520386297681801135/

Link is from the following section of the PINNED TOPIC Helpful Links and References:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2882871440