Psijic order are some strange folks.

[Saber]

so as it should be known by anyone who has played a mage build and in particular played the college of winterhold qeustline, this is a intresting part of it, however if you for some reason haven't done this qeustline and you don't want spoilers, don't read this next part, on the second ecounter with Quaranir (the Psijic order guy), he says he must leave, and he is a man of his word and does so, or does he? if you follow this man after he leaves the arch mage qaurters he actually just goes to the tavern and stands still, no new dialogue is opend and you cannot pickpocket him, Nor can you even hit him, thats right, attacks go right through Quaranir, From what i've seen he cannot be hit, probably to avoid glitches later on in the qeust line, However its quite odd that they chose to make him completly intangible from attacks, for exsample even children in skyrim can be hit with a melee weapon, however this man it just goes right through, to the best of my knowledge this is a unique property only found within this NPC, I might be wrong on that though, a theory i have is that he physically doesn't own a hitbox since bethesda probably didn't think the Dragonborn would actually follow him and try to hit him, which is kinda an oversight since he wears unique armor and any collector would wanna try to get that, But I digress.

[Docsprock]

It is just an unfinished mechanic the developers left in. They could have made him disappear in a flash. The devs knew that the player at this point has urgent business to attend to and did not anticipate anyone following him. It would be extremely difficult for any developers to anticipate every possible thing a player can do.

[Saber]

Originally posted by Gazing Pete:

Incredibly strange folks... Instead of going the same path as the mage's guild where magic is opened up to the average person, they guard their secrets and stay hidden.... AND YET SOMEHOW HAVE 1,000 TIMES MORE POWERFUL MAGIC.

Does that make sense to you, because it doesn't to me. You'd think that magical collaboration would be a thing, thereby a smaller order of wizards would have more work when it comes to magical research, yet somehow the psijics seem to be the most powerful wizards in Tamriel despite their secrets and alienation, what am I missing?

yeah that is an odd thing, you would think a whole college with educated staff would have devloped simular time warping magics, perhaps the psijic order have divine aid of some sort? or perhaps they have discovered a fundamental fact about majicka that gives them an advantage? who knows ,i really hope we get more information about them in later elderscrolls content.

[Saber]

Originally posted by Gazing Pete:

Also, the part where he is supposed to freeze you in place in mzulft, if you have autowalk on you'll be stuck in autowalk while he does his monologue.

Also, you can steal everything in the Arch-mages quarters when he does it there.

And since nobody seems to be able to ward against this spell, they could be controlling everything without anyone knowing. Just need two psijics, one to freeze time and another to stuff people into the trunk of the car. Making me wonder why they didn't just do this to Ancano, or just steal the Eye in the dead of the night.

or alternativly if they don't like the aldmeri dominion why they don't just wipe them out, if they have the ability to stop the flow of time, something the dragonborn can't even do completly, then surley they must have some deastruction spells that would make Jzargo cry tears of joy.

[Saber]

Originally posted by Gazing Pete:

Originally posted by saber10213:

or alternativly if they don't like the aldmeri dominion why they don't just wipe them out, if they have the ability to stop the flow of time, something the dragonborn can't even do completly, then surley they must have some deastruction spells that would make Jzargo cry tears of joy.

Yes, and prophetic powers as well. I think being under the dictates of a divine could be the only explanation why they don't just make Tamriel how they would want it to be.

I agree, Divine influence could be the reason they are not only so powerful, but so adamant about not interfering with the normal events of tamriel.

[anedibleseed]

Originally posted by saber10213:

i really hope we get more information about them in later elderscrolls content.

You can join the Psijic Order in Elder Scrolls Online's Summerset expansion.

[Rez Elwin]

Originally posted by Gazing Pete:

Incredibly strange folks... Instead of going the same path as the mage's guild where magic is opened up to the average person, they guard their secrets and stay hidden.... AND YET SOMEHOW HAVE 1,000 TIMES MORE POWERFUL MAGIC.

Does that make sense to you, because it doesn't to me. You'd think that magical collaboration would be a thing, thereby a smaller order of wizards would have more work when it comes to magical research, yet somehow the psijics seem to be the most powerful wizards in Tamriel despite their secrets and alienation, what am I missing?

You can't really join them, only get offered a place if you are proven to be a exceptional wizard. So they are a group of the most powerful wizards in one place, learning from each other and the people that came from before. It makes sense in that context.

[Ihateeverybody]

The answer to why they have that much power is because they have been an organization since pretty much the first era. Dyvith Fyrr from morrowind was a member (He's been around since at least 2nd era I think. Through the games, Magic has grown significantly weaker. Whole Schools (Disiplines) of magic have been lost (Mysticysim, Can't remmber the others off my memory).

As to why they don't interfere. Babylon 5 put it best.

1. I could warn you but you wouldn't listen.
2. I could kill you but someone else would just replace you.
3. So I do the only thing I can do. Leave!

Not an exact quote, again my memory is not the best. Look up B5 and Technomages.

[Saber]

Originally posted by Gazing Pete:

Originally posted by Rez Elwin:

You can't really join them, only get offered a place if you are proven to be a exceptional wizard. So they are a group of the most powerful wizards in one place, learning from each other and the people that came from before. It makes sense in that context.

No one ever turns them down? Not a single mage believes in the accessibility of magic? (I'd think it'd be something that boils down to personal belief.) But w/e for TES I guess it's an acceptable answer.

Personally i think its kinda strange though that the Psijic order wouldn't try to interrupt Alduin since Alduin is litterally a living doomsday clock, Do you think they just sat there like "well darn i geuss we die now, hey did you finish making that nuke spell? you did? nice, lets never use that ever.", Like you would think that if this order with the ability to stop litteral time would try to do stuff to keep the preservation of the world longer, now if they have the ability to see into the future and saw the dragonborn would 100% succeed in resetting alduin i could understand that but I personally haven't played too much ESO yet (If yall got class and race suggestions for maximum fun whilst playing ESO i would be happy to hear them i wanna get back into ESO), So i don't know if the psijic order can see the definitive truth about actions that are garunteed gonna happen no matter if influence exists or not, If they can see said future then I suppose they simply have obtained both immortality and Omnipresence, In which case its a curiosity to know if there have been any unique interactions between a Daedric prince and the psijic order, I would like to point out that good ol Myraak was inside apocrifa for a long ass time and doesn't have the power to stop time in its entirity, which you think would be a really handy thing for combat or atleast mobility.

[Rez Elwin]

Originally posted by Gazing Pete:

Originally posted by Rez Elwin:

You can't really join them, only get offered a place if you are proven to be a exceptional wizard. So they are a group of the most powerful wizards in one place, learning from each other and the people that came from before. It makes sense in that context.

No one ever turns them down? Not a single mage believes in the accessibility of magic? (I'd think it'd be something that boils down to personal belief.) But w/e for TES I guess it's an acceptable answer.

There are probably several who turn them down, you cant leave so you would leave everyone you know and never get to see them again. However getting to join them is a massive deal. Say a scientist gets offered to go to a new planet that has actual alien life, but it's a one way trip, they would be leaving their friends and family but they would get to expand their knowledge so much in return. Some would turn the offer down but many would jump at the chance.

Turning them down would leave you as a powerful wizard and they do exist, take Neloth for example, most Telvanni Wizards were quite strong. That's all they will be, but becoming a member of the Psijic order offers a wealth of magical knowledge you cannot get anywhere else.

[Rez Elwin]

Originally posted by saber10213:

Originally posted by Gazing Pete:

No one ever turns them down? Not a single mage believes in the accessibility of magic? (I'd think it'd be something that boils down to personal belief.) But w/e for TES I guess it's an acceptable answer.

Personally i think its kinda strange though that the Psijic order wouldn't try to interrupt Alduin since Alduin is litterally a living doomsday clock, Do you think they just sat there like "well darn i geuss we die now, hey did you finish making that nuke spell? you did? nice, lets never use that ever.", Like you would think that if this order with the ability to stop litteral time would try to do stuff to keep the preservation of the world longer, now if they have the ability to see into the future and saw the dragonborn would 100% succeed in resetting alduin i could understand that but I personally haven't played too much ESO yet (If yall got class and race suggestions for maximum fun whilst playing ESO i would be happy to hear them i wanna get back into ESO), So i don't know if the psijic order can see the definitive truth about actions that are garunteed gonna happen no matter if influence exists or not, If they can see said future then I suppose they simply have obtained both immortality and Omnipresence, In which case its a curiosity to know if there have been any unique interactions between a Daedric prince and the psijic order, I would like to point out that good ol Myraak was inside apocrifa for a long ass time and doesn't have the power to stop time in its entirity, which you think would be a really handy thing for combat or atleast mobility.

They seem to have some level of foresight, they literally tell you something bad is gonna happen because you found the orb, just not exactly what. I also think Alduin isn't trying fo actually fulfill his role as the World-Eater, he is resuming where he left of attempting to enslave humanity and bring about another age of dragons. I think is they themselves won't interfere unless it involves them, nobody can find the Psijic order, so Alduin probably can't either.

[Saber]

Originally posted by Rez Elwin:

Originally posted by saber10213:

Personally i think its kinda strange though that the Psijic order wouldn't try to interrupt Alduin since Alduin is litterally a living doomsday clock, Do you think they just sat there like "well darn i geuss we die now, hey did you finish making that nuke spell? you did? nice, lets never use that ever.", Like you would think that if this order with the ability to stop litteral time would try to do stuff to keep the preservation of the world longer, now if they have the ability to see into the future and saw the dragonborn would 100% succeed in resetting alduin i could understand that but I personally haven't played too much ESO yet (If yall got class and race suggestions for maximum fun whilst playing ESO i would be happy to hear them i wanna get back into ESO), So i don't know if the psijic order can see the definitive truth about actions that are garunteed gonna happen no matter if influence exists or not, If they can see said future then I suppose they simply have obtained both immortality and Omnipresence, In which case its a curiosity to know if there have been any unique interactions between a Daedric prince and the psijic order, I would like to point out that good ol Myraak was inside apocrifa for a long ass time and doesn't have the power to stop time in its entirity, which you think would be a really handy thing for combat or atleast mobility.

They seem to have some level of foresight, they literally tell you something bad is gonna happen because you found the orb, just not exactly what. I also think Alduin isn't trying fo actually fulfill his role as the World-Eater, he is resuming where he left of attempting to enslave humanity and bring about another age of dragons. I think is they themselves won't interfere unless it involves them, nobody can find the Psijic order, so Alduin probably can't either.

Technically speaking if they are wise and know their history they should know the reaturn of alduin marks the end of the world because he is fated to end it, Surley an ancient order of powerful mages with wealths of knowledge wouldn't be so arrogant as to belive "oh alduin's over in skyrim, the rest of tamriel is fineeee"

[Rez Elwin]

Originally posted by Gazing Pete:

Originally posted by Rez Elwin:

but becoming a member of the Psijic order offers a wealth of magical knowledge you cannot get anywhere else.

That's what I mean, they would have to have something keeping them ahead, or the rest of Tamriel would have something keeping them behind. They aren't space aliens, they have been living on the same planet that functions the same everywhere... What is keeping literally everyone else from stumbling on the same secrets? Even for thousands of years.

They most likely have access to research information they did not have back home so they could create magical breakthroughs(since it's technically science) that never get shared. As I said the only take the best of the best. I think the rest of Tamriel develops slower than them due to that fact. This is also Skyrim, magic isn't well liked and we might not see how the Rest of Tamriel is doing.

[Rez Elwin]

Originally posted by saber10213:

Originally posted by Rez Elwin:

They seem to have some level of foresight, they literally tell you something bad is gonna happen because you found the orb, just not exactly what. I also think Alduin isn't trying fo actually fulfill his role as the World-Eater, he is resuming where he left of attempting to enslave humanity and bring about another age of dragons. I think is they themselves won't interfere unless it involves them, nobody can find the Psijic order, so Alduin probably can't either.

Technically speaking if they are wise and know their history they should know the reaturn of alduin marks the end of the world because he is fated to end it, Surley an ancient order of powerful mages with wealths of knowledge wouldn't be so arrogant as to belive "oh alduin's over in skyrim, the rest of tamriel is fineeee"

Like I said Alduin didn't fulfill his role in that past he decided to rule over Men an Mer instead. It's the entire reason the Dragonborn exists. Akatosh made you to stop his rebellious Son because he wasn't doing his job. If Parthurnaax is right a dragon can through great effort change their destiny.

[Rez Elwin]

Originally posted by Gazing Pete:

Originally posted by Rez Elwin:

They most likely have access to research information they did not have back home so they could create magical breakthroughs(since it's technically science) that never get shared. As I said the only take the best of the best. I think the rest of Tamriel develops slower than them due to that fact. This is also Skyrim, magic isn't well liked and we might not see how the Rest of Tamriel is doing.

You understand that is opposite how technology generally works, we took the nazi rockets and made spaceships, China takes everything from us, etc... If they're stealing the best secrets from others. Also monkey see monkey do, just by seeing that spell the new Arch-mage at winterhold knows it exists, and would undoubtedly try to duplicate it.

The correct answer is, the psijic order is super powerful because they went with them instead of a daedra to play the fortune teller.

However It seems the Order can watch the entire world so if they see somebody come up with something or do something worthy of joining they probably appear to them the same why they did to you, most likely before you share it with anybody else. Pop up ask you to join then warp back with you in tow if you agree. It's like you had a brilliant scientific theory but died in a plan crash with the only copy.

[Ihateeverybody]

No one can leave the order? Ah. Memory may be playing tricks on me, but I am PRETTY sure that was how the Mages Guild Got founded. ?Galerion book?, or Origins of the Mages Guild should have more.

Also on the topic of forgotten arts. The order if I recall moved their entire operations to a pocket realm of oblivion. Now that I think about it...The Battlespire was in a Pocket realm of Oblvion. Wonder if I just discovered the plot of Elder Scrolls 6 (Still time to change it Devs (Yeah I know they don't read these forums)).

Hmmm. I can probley whip up a draft in a week. I work for pizza (Good Pizza, not that Tombstone or Tony's crap).