Bethesda needs to stop

[erroneous-sequence]

Bethesda needs to stop making mod-breaking updates to the game or people are going to hate elderscrolls 6. I hope bethesda employees really understand that they are ruining their reputation by allowing people to spend countless hours modding their games only to WAKE UP AND FIND NONE OF THEM WORK

[amathy]

Escrito originalmente por Arondil:

Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Other people on this forum have demanded that Bethesda push updates to fix bugs, support wide-screen, support framerates above 60fps, support Linux, ...

But that's not what they're doing. They've just been pushing paid mod junk.

Escrito originalmente por worm_master:

Technically, using a 3rd party MOD, is illegal any-way, it's all in the TOS an License agreement, stuff like "tampering, and altering code" and "reverse engineering",

Should count ya blessings the game company's arnt suing us.

Modding isn't illegal. It's not even a grey area. The developers give you the Creation Kit specifically to create mods.

[psychotron666]

Escrito originalmente por amathy:

Escrito originalmente por Arondil:

Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Other people on this forum have demanded that Bethesda push updates to fix bugs, support wide-screen, support framerates above 60fps, support Linux, ...

But that's not what they're doing. They've just been pushing paid mod junk.

Escrito originalmente por worm_master:

Technically, using a 3rd party MOD, is illegal any-way, it's all in the TOS an License agreement, stuff like "tampering, and altering code" and "reverse engineering",

Should count ya blessings the game company's arnt suing us.

Modding isn't illegal. It's not even a grey area. The developers give you the Creation Kit specifically to create mods.

Modding is technically copyright infringement.

However a copyright holder has a right to not enforce it, in the case of most video game companies that allow mods.

But if Bethesda decided one day they wanted to ban mods, they can. The sites hosting the mods would have to take them down or risk being sued.

Not that I believe this will ever happen, just my point is that inherently modding is copyright infringement that the copyright holder can enforce.

https://mttlr.org/2012/11/gaming-mods-and-copyright/

"mods exist in a consistently shifting legal grey area, subject to the vagaries of developer whimsy."

"The application of MAI Systems to modification litigation essentially makes all modifications infringements of copyright, as they are code-based adjustments to an existing computer program that are stored both in RAM and in a fixed form (the programming language itself). This means that mods are “legal” only insofar as game developers suffer them to be so; the moment a developer finds a mod distasteful, it can be found to infringe copyright."

"Mods, no matter how well-respected or validated by developers, can also be found to infringe copyright through statute. Blizzard Entertainment, Inc., v. Reeves, 2010 WL 4054095 (C.D. Cal. 2010) originated as an action against the defendant for infringement of Blizzard’s copyright through violation of World of Warcraft’s monthly fee structure. Reeves and her compatriots reverse engineered the code for the world from their legally purchased copies of the game, and made it available on private servers to people looking to play without paying Blizzard’s monthly fees. While the action never produced a judicial decision (as Reeves never answered or appeared in court, resulting in a default judgment for $88 million in damages), in calculating damages, the court noted that Reeves’ website “enable[s] . . . users to access Plaintiff’s copyrighted works and circumvent Plaintiff’s protective measures.” Blizzard at 3. This has the practical effect of invoking Section 1201 of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which makes illegal circumvention of technological copyright protection systems."

[amathy]

Reeves and her compatriots reverse engineered the code for the world from their legally purchased copies of the game, and made it available on private servers to people looking to play without paying Blizzard’s monthly fees.

That is such an obviously specific situation that should not be used as precedent to determine the legality of modding.
Lewis Galoob Toys vs Nintendo shows that game modifications are absolutely not inherently copyright infringement.

[SpeedFreak1972]

Also fun fact Bethesda NEVER read these forums

[alexander_dougherty]

Escrito originalmente por psychotron666:

Reeves and her compatriots reverse engineered the code for the world from their legally purchased copies of the game, and made it available on private servers to people looking to play without paying Blizzard’s monthly fees.

The code itself is Intellectual Property, so this was blatantly illegal.

[SpeedFreak1972]

Yea they were lucky they weren't sued into Oblivion and I might add if true Bethesda would win beyond a shadow of a doubt

[amathy]

Escrito originalmente por Pookie101:

If people yell loud enough and often enough about companies ruining modding with patches then the end result is that companies will no longer allow people to mod their games.

That would never happen, modding is too much of a selling point for many games. They also can’t stop people from modding even if they wanted to.

[theo]

Stop making and using mods that break on updates.
It's a predictable issue and it's well known what causes it

[SpeedFreak1972]

Or just stop the game from updating till the mods are updated too it isn't that hard

[GVLT]

Escrito originalmente por worm_master:

Technically, using a 3rd party MOD, is illegal any-way, it's all in the TOS an License agreement, stuff like "tampering, and altering code" and "reverse engineering",


Lol, no

[Trenema]

Escrito originalmente por GVLT:

Escrito originalmente por worm_master:

Technically, using a 3rd party MOD, is illegal any-way, it's all in the TOS an License agreement, stuff like "tampering, and altering code" and "reverse engineering",


Lol, no

yeah i dont know why people keep saying this. bethesda has their own Creation Club with mass amounts of mods listed...what, do people think its a trap or something? mods arent even close to illegal. and if they are, then bethesda would be breaking the law for Entrapment.