My grass won't load please help

[Sheridxn]

All of the grass in game is invisible and it makes everything look like a wasteland. I'm using the grass mod called Northern Grass. I've searched up this problem and looked through probably a dozen forums and tried every solution that "worked" but I had no luck and I've been playing with no grass for about 3 days. I'm playing with mods and this is what my load order is on LOOT:
0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
254 FE 0 ccbgssse002-exoticarrows.esl
254 FE 1 ccbgssse003-zombies.esl
254 FE 2 ccbgssse004-ruinsedge.esl
254 FE 3 ccbgssse006-stendarshammer.esl
254 FE 4 ccbgssse007-chrysamere.esl
254 FE 5 ccbgssse010-petdwarvenarmoredmudcrab.esl
254 FE 6 ccbgssse014-spellpack01.esl
254 FE 7 ccbgssse019-staffofsheogorath.esl
254 FE 8 ccbgssse020-graycowl.esl
254 FE 9 ccbgssse021-lordsmail.esl
254 FE a ccmtysse001-knightsofthenine.esl
254 FE b ccqdrsse001-survivalmode.esl
5 5 cctwbsse001-puzzledungeon.esm
6 6 cceejsse001-hstead.esm
254 FE c ccqdrsse002-firewood.esl
254 FE d ccbgssse018-shadowrend.esl
254 FE e ccbgssse035-petnhound.esl
254 FE f ccfsvsse001-backpacks.esl
254 FE 10 cceejsse002-tower.esl
254 FE 11 ccedhsse001-norjewel.esl
254 FE 12 ccvsvsse002-pets.esl
254 FE 13 ccbgssse037-curios.esl
254 FE 14 ccbgssse034-mntuni.esl
254 FE 15 ccbgssse045-hasedoki.esl
254 FE 16 ccbgssse008-wraithguard.esl
254 FE 17 ccbgssse036-petbwolf.esl
254 FE 18 ccffbsse001-imperialdragon.esl
254 FE 19 ccmtysse002-ve.esl
254 FE 1a ccbgssse043-crosselv.esl
254 FE 1b ccvsvsse001-winter.esl
254 FE 1c cceejsse003-hollow.esl
7 7 ccbgssse016-umbra.esm
8 8 ccbgssse031-advcyrus.esm
254 FE 1d ccbgssse040-advobgobs.esl
254 FE 1e ccbgssse058-ba_steel.esl
254 FE 1f ccpewsse002-armsofchaos.esl
254 FE 20 ccbgssse041-netchleather.esl
254 FE 21 ccedhsse002-splkntset.esl
254 FE 22 ccbgssse064-ba_elven.esl
254 FE 23 ccbgssse063-ba_ebony.esl
254 FE 24 ccbgssse062-ba_dwarvenmail.esl
254 FE 25 ccbgssse060-ba_dragonscale.esl
254 FE 26 ccbgssse051-ba_daedricmail.esl
254 FE 27 ccbgssse057-ba_stalhrim.esl
9 9 ccbgssse025-advdsgs.esm
254 FE 28 ccffbsse002-crossbowpack.esl
254 FE 29 ccbgssse013-dawnfang.esl
254 FE 2a cceejsse004-hall.esl
10 a Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
11 b SkyUI_SE.esp
12 c Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp
13 d tpos_ultimate_esm.esp
14 e EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
15 f OneOfUs.esp
16 10 NorthernGrass.esp
17 11 Realistic Death Physics - No Animations - Skyrim.esp
254 FE 2b OreIngotsFadingsignal.esp
18 12 Fixed body collision.esp
19 13 Book Covers Skyrim.esp
20 14 Blues Skyrim.esp
21 15 S3DLandscapes NextGenerationForests.esp
22 16 Beasts of Tamriel.esp
23 17 Helgen Reborn.esp
24 18 SoS - The Wilds.esp
25 19 Original Opening Scene.esp
26 1a TheScarlett.esp
27 1b Immersive Encounters.esp
28 1c Run For Your Lives.esp
29 1d EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp
30 1e Cloaks.esp
31 1f Inigo.esp
32 20 Immersive Patrols II.esp
33 21 ElysiumEstate.esp
34 22 Convenient Horses.esp
35 23 HothFollower.esp
36 24 Sneak Tools.esp
37 25 Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp
38 26 Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp
39 27 garm_black.esp
40 28 ArtifactsOfBoethiah.esp
41 29 Ravengate.esp
42 2a HavenBag.esp
43 2b Dragon Stalking Fix.esp
44 2c InstantMining.esp
45 2d RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Unsorted.esp
254 FE 2c GDOS - Splendid Mechanized Dwemer Door.esp
46 2e Footprints.esp
47 2f RichMerchantsSkyrim_x10.esp
254 FE 2d GDOS - Glorious Solitude Door - Rotation Fix.esp
48 30 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
49 31 Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp
50 32 dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
51 33 Realistic-Voice.esp
52 34 BeautifulHousecarls.esp
53 35 IcePenguinWorldMap.esp
54 36 WetandCold.esp
55 37 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
56 38 dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp

My skyrimprefs.ini file:
[Grass]
fGrassStartFadeDistance=7000.0000
fGrassMaxStartFadeDistance=7000.0000
fGrassMinStartFadeDistance=0.0000

And my skyrim.ini file:
[Grass]
fGrassMaxStartFadeDistance=7000.0000
fGrassMinStartFadeDistance=0.0000

I'm going to be honest I do not know the difference between these two ini files and I've also seen they both had more notes on the grass sections so I'm a little bit confused.

[Stormsong]

These are Skyrimprefs.ini parameters. I would start by taking the entries out of Skyrim.ini. the problem may be that simple.

After that, go thoroughly investigate Northern grass' description, bug section AND comments

[★Kelvy★]

Here is my INIs setup.

Before you change anything please carefully

Grass load works differently to tree loads etc. They work on distance whereas grass loads by cells.

That is why you have a line where it stops and basic cell style colouration starts. There is no grass solution that continues into distance and burrs out.

I have it set to two cells but haven't gone further with it , within those two cells i have pack a few mods that will work together(these are not merged but separate so I can look at the differences.

Usually I start a new game and after intro(alternate start) I save the game, adds grass mods and change INIs until I am happy.

There is a lot of information through google but need to read and decide which is which.

This is no means correct or changes many issues but a start into looking for a good solution.

[Grass]
bAllowCreateGrass=1
bAllowLoadGrass=0
bDrawShaderGrass=1
fGrassFadeRange=10000
fGrassMaxStartFadeDistance=17500.0000
fGrassMinStartFadeDistance=0.0000
fGrassStartFadeDistance=18000.0000
fTexturePctThreshold=0
iGrassCellRadius=2
iMaxGrassTypesPerTexure=7
iMinGrassSize=40
b30GrassVS=1

[Sheridxn]

I tried removing the entires in skyrim.ini but it didn't work. I did not re-add the entry and tried to add these entires because apparently they worked online for some people:
[Grass]
iMaxGrassTypesPerTexture=15
iMinGrassSize=60
bAllowCreateGrass=1

They still didn't work for me.
I've searched the mod comments and bugs list and only a few people had the problem but they had no reply.

[Sheridxn]

Originally posted by ★Kelvy★:

[Grass]
bAllowCreateGrass=1
bAllowLoadGrass=0
bDrawShaderGrass=1
fGrassFadeRange=10000
fGrassMaxStartFadeDistance=17500.0000
fGrassMinStartFadeDistance=0.0000
fGrassStartFadeDistance=18000.0000
fTexturePctThreshold=0
iGrassCellRadius=2
iMaxGrassTypesPerTexure=7
iMinGrassSize=40
b30GrassVS=1

Do i add these to skyrim.ini or skyrimprefs.ini

[★Kelvy★]

Mate they go into skyrimprefs. But don't add them willy nilly you need to test and figure whats best for your game.
Mine are only a guide, not a replacement for your game, to that you have to select try and figure out what is the best outcome for you. But make a save of your grass INI settings prior any changes.(I forgot that earlier).

You can try but it, though these are dependent on your grass mods as well, you may be disappointed at first, it all about balance acceptable to your liking.

Just to show what a bit of fiddling can do

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2066184102

[Sheridxn]

Originally posted by ★Kelvy★:

Mate they go into skyrimprefs. But don't add them willy nilly you need to test and figure whats best for your game.
Mine are only a guide, not a replacement for your game, to that you have to select try and figure out what is the best outcome for you. But make a save of your grass INI settings prior any changes.(I forgot that earlier).

You can try but it, though these are dependent on your grass mods as well, you may be disappointed at first, it all about balance acceptable to your liking.

Yeah I tried getting the best outcome I just ended up not having any grass.

[Sheridxn]

Originally posted by ★Kelvy★:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2066184102

I used to have grass like this and stuff but everything except for the vanilla bits and peices are left

Only things i fiddled with were the fGrassMaxStartFadeDistance= fGrassMinStartFadeDistance= fGrassStartFadeDistance= changed the first two to 20000 for maximum distance and fade distance to 400 it worked but all my grass disappeared same day and I reverted the changes nothing happened

[★Kelvy★]

If no grass then look at your grass mods one maybe overriding another or conflict. I use MO2, if you use Vortex I am at a loss with the workings of that mod manager.

[Sheridxn]

Originally posted by ★Kelvy★:

If no grass then look at your grass mods one maybe overriding another or conflict. I use MO2, if you use Vortex I am at a loss with the workings of that mod manager.

Sadly I use vortex but i use Northern grass and cathedral grass along with a mod that makes both grass work together. Please note that I have used Northern grass by its self.

I also forgot to mention that I used northern grass, it worked but then it stopped working, i went to verdant and it worked for a little while and it stopped working. I tried another mod and it doesn't work. It may seem a little bit confusing but it just stopped working permanently for me now

I'll see if i can find something thats overriding my grass mods or a different problem.

[★Kelvy★]

You got me on that mod never used it.
Vortex should be able to the same as MO2.
The only grass mods I have are
Verdant and Verdosebrom, the other plugins related to enhancement of textures.
Like I have stated you have to play around with the plugins, try moving Northern Grass lower in order so it overrides other plugins.

[Sheridxn]

Originally posted by ★Kelvy★:

try moving Northern Grass lower in order so it overrides other plugins.

I'm kind of new to modding so how would I move it lower in my order. Do I use LOOT?

[★Kelvy★]

Loot set your load order in Vortex, I presume you can move plugins up or down manually.
In MO2 right pane Loot sets the load order but in the left pane you can move plugins to overwrite etc. to your requirements. Just pop a thread in the old farts coffee shop, there are a few there who use Vortex and can answer that issue.

[Sheridxn]

Originally posted by ★Kelvy★:

Loot set your load order in Vortex, I presume you can move plugins up or down manually.
In MO2 right pane Loot sets the load order but in the left pane you can move plugins to overwrite etc. to your requirements. Just pop a thread in the old farts coffee shop, there are a few there who use Vortex and can answer that issue.

Alright I'll set my load order tomorrow and see if it works. Thank you

[Sheridxn]

I've figured out that my "Update.esm" dlc is a "dirty" file do you know if thats what the problem could be? I clicked an option saying "show only conflicting files with" and i put northern grass and it showed that dirt file. Its not like I can delete it though because its a DLC. I tried to clean the file but im missing a file called TESV.exe without that I can't clean any of my dirty files

[★Kelvy★]

You don't clean skyrim.exe file(main game) only the update and the DLCs with SSEEdit. That wouldn't be your issue. The issue is within plugins priorities on which one overwrites the other.
You can merge plugins but at this stage you are new to modding, I will stay away from it.

Just to let you know I stuffed my game last night(my fault) so it is back to basic and new profile.
Nothing to do with grass another bug bear I was trying to fix. Also my game wasn't CTDing just minor oddities I was trying to fix.

If you are having any issues just drop a line in the old farts thread they are itching to help. Just say I said so. Tell them you are using Vortex etc. and your issue, link to load order etc.