The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition

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Lampros 2021 年 12 月 16 日 上午 5:29
When is the best time to level crafting?
For my initial game of SE, I started power-leveling them immediately out of Helgen, and I found it a miserable experience, because I could not fight at all - due to not leveling any combat skills except Sneak (which I power-leveled in Helgen). And I found that I could not effectively fight - in part due to several mods that make combat much tougher - until I finished leveling all crafting at around level 40.

Obviously, I did not want to not fight until level 40 this run. So I have held off on crafting until now, and I am at level 20. Is this then the right time to level crafting? Or should I wait longer?

***Edit: This is precisely what happened to me the last game (quoting a Reddit post):

https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrim/comments/5n0hor/when_to_level_crafting_skills/

"You have to be careful doing this because if you jump 20 levels by boosting those 3 skill trees, you're going to get your ass kicked out in the elements with your severely under-leveled combat skills. That is why OP is asking when and not how."***
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RunForRest 2021 年 12 月 16 日 上午 8:02 
Btw regarding wood choping and earning money:
Theres nice mods that add different radiant quests to the game that help u earn money in an immersive and not-boring way (u can adjust the mod to ur liking in mcm)
Missives https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/17576
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/26788?tab=description
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/51847
最後修改者:RunForRest; 2021 年 12 月 16 日 上午 8:02
Daddy Shark 2021 年 12 月 16 日 上午 8:15 
Just stop with the "power leveling" and play the game. Just play the game. Is that too much? Stop trying to be "clever" and "beat the system". Just play the game and enjoy the story. Your skills will get there.
jerrypocalypse 2021 年 12 月 16 日 上午 8:16 
引用自 RuunForRest
Btw regarding wood choping and earning money:
Theres nice mods that add different radiant quests to the game that help u earn money in an immersive and not-boring way (u can adjust the mod to ur liking in mcm)
Missives https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/17576
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/26788?tab=description
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/51847
I'm gonna have to bookmark and check these out. I personally love this kind of content as it adds more of a "just living in the world" vibe. I get bored of being a big hero all the time
whatamidoing 2021 年 12 月 16 日 上午 8:16 
Or get a mod that disables enemy scaling. Morrowloot ftw
I'll also be adding that board to my game, looks nice.
最後修改者:whatamidoing; 2021 年 12 月 16 日 上午 8:17
MF 2021 年 12 月 16 日 上午 8:41 
引用自 Lampros
For my initial game of SE, I started power-leveling them immediately out of Helgen, and I found it a miserable experience, because I could not fight at all - due to not leveling any combat skills except Sneak (which I power-leveled in Helgen). And I found that I could not effectively fight - in part due to several mods that make combat much tougher - until I finished leveling all crafting at around level 40.

Obviously, I did not want to not fight until level 40 this run. So I have held off on crafting until now, and I am at level 20. Is this then the right time to level crafting? Or should I wait longer?

***Edit: This is precisely what happened to me the last game (quoting a Reddit post):

https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrim/comments/5n0hor/when_to_level_crafting_skills/

"You have to be careful doing this because if you jump 20 levels by boosting those 3 skill trees, you're going to get your ass kicked out in the elements with your severely under-leveled combat skills. That is why OP is asking when and not how."***

I don't overthink it, but you definitely want to up your combat skills to a reasonable level so as not to get your ass kicked as you level. In my experience I plunk points into enchanting, alchemy and smithing as opportunity arises, i.e. when I can't as yet put point into a combat tree. I'm an archer on this latest toon so one handed and archery are my two main combat trees. I've never worried overmuch about stealth, so there's that. I've found that I still have ample opportunity to level the crafting skills. At level 48 my enchanting hit 100, alchemy 80 (high enough) and smithing 80. I'm crafting legendary gear by this point.
Lampros 2021 年 12 月 16 日 上午 8:52 
引用自 RuunForRest
Btw regarding wood choping and earning money:
Theres nice mods that add different radiant quests to the game that help u earn money in an immersive and not-boring way (u can adjust the mod to ur liking in mcm)
Missives https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/17576
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/26788?tab=description
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/51847

Thanks! I did consider the Missives mod for this run after seeing it on someone's recommended mod list. But I thought the game has enough small errands as is, so ultimately I declined. But I will take a look at it again for the next run.

引用自 Daddy Shark
Just stop with the "power leveling" and play the game. Just play the game. Is that too much? Stop trying to be "clever" and "beat the system". Just play the game and enjoy the story. Your skills will get there.

Unfortunately, it's in my genes; it's how I play every similar RPG or RPG/tactics hybrid games! ;)

引用自 whatamidoing
Or get a mod that disables enemy scaling. Morrowloot ftw
I'll also be adding that board to my game, looks nice.

I do have a mod that partly disables enemy scaling; more specifically, it "narrows" the range of scaling. But as a compensation, I have a ton of other mods that add to the difficulty. So I think it evens out.
matt 2021 年 12 月 16 日 上午 9:47 
Once I've maxed out my primary weapon skill, I sometimes pick up a two-handed sword and just start whacking high level enemies, such as draugr deathlords. Honestly, I don't really have much problem at skill level 15 and no perks. It's not like you're going to miss.

If you're going to do something like that, though, you should put all your points in health. My melee combat characters usually walk around with 500 health minimum. High level enemies, especially on the higher difficulty levels, can one-shot you. Power attacks are bad enough, but the only defense against the "killcam" instadeath is having lots of health. Any time your health dips low, you're at risk of being instantly killed in an uninterruptible cinematic.

But, to answer the question, I often work on my crafting skills intermittently throughout the game, but if I grind them, it's usually around level 20. Levels 21 through 30 are sometimes exclusively gained through smithing and enchanting. When you're wearing enchanted ebony armor, and your enemies are wearing unenchanted elven armor, you have a major advantage.
Lampros 2021 年 12 月 16 日 上午 10:00 
引用自 matt
But, to answer the question, I often work on my crafting skills intermittently throughout the game, but if I grind them, it's usually around level 20. Levels 21 through 30 are sometimes exclusively gained through smithing and enchanting. When you're wearing enchanted ebony armor, and your enemies are wearing unenchanted elven armor, you have a major advantage.

That was my original plan: Hence I am level 20 and asked the question. So great minds think alike! ;) But I fear going all the way with crafting now means I will probably go from level 20 to 30 or even 35. So perhaps I should split it a bit and find time to quest and catch up with primary combat skills in-between?
whatamidoing 2021 年 12 月 16 日 上午 10:07 
Maybe take a break from crafting every character level (or every 2, 3, etc) to clear a random dungeon and see if things have gotten noticably more difficult?
matt 2021 年 12 月 16 日 上午 10:39 
You can find breakpoints. Smithing 30 gives you Elven or Dwarven Smithing, which is good enough for a decisive advantage in the early game. Arcane Blacksmith comes at skill 60, and that's all you really need until later in the game. It'd be great to have Ebony or Glass Smithing as early as possible, but you don't need it.

Instead, sell enough potions to have some spending money. Then buy all your crafting equipment outright from shops. You can trap souls if you want, but it's faster to just buy populated grand soul gems. You'll need a lot, so buy something like 15-20. Don't bother digging up ore -- that's for chumps. Just buy it from blacksmiths. Craft yourself a full suit of Orcish, Nordic, or Elven Gilded armor. Enchant a full set of crafting equipment: a blacksmith's shirt of Smithing (for role-playing -- you gotta look the part, of course), gloves of alchemy, gloves of smithing, ring of alchemy, ring of smithing, necklace of alchemy, and necklace of smithing. Later on, you can use double enchantments to reduce the amount of stuff required.

Make a potion of smithing. Put on your gloves, shirt, ring, and necklace of smithing. Drink the potion and improve all your armor and weapons.

Check the merchants for good enchantments. Buy a paralysis or absorb health weapon, skip the other stuff. Drink a potion of enchanting. Enchant your weapon to have paralysis and/or absorb health.

Now make yourself a ring of magic resistance, a necklace of magic resistance, and some potions of magic resistance. This will be your mage-killing equipment. Then enchant your gauntlets to do extra bow damage and/or one-handed weapon damage. Enchant your chest armor to give you better health or whatever else you think is best. Enchant your helm to give you better bow damage and/or magicka. Enchant your boots for better one-handed damage and/or add a resistance. Make a set of rings and necklaces for bow damage, one-handed weapon damage, or whatever you use.

Make as many restore health potions as you can. Optionally, make some potions of one-handed damage, bow damage, and fire/frost/shock resistance. Maybe make some poisons, too. Slow is great, paralysis is awesome.

Smithing 50-60, Enchanting 50, and Alchemy 40-60 should be enough for this.
RunForRest 2021 年 12 月 16 日 上午 10:42 
If perkpoints are bit to rare u might try ESO Skyshards
https://www.moddb.com/mods/eso-skyshards

For general on-the-fly combat balancing i love this one:
Fine Tuned Challenge
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/26889?tab=description
Lampros 2021 年 12 月 16 日 上午 10:52 
引用自 matt
You can find breakpoints. Smithing 30 gives you Elven or Dwarven Smithing, which is good enough for a decisive advantage in the early game. Arcane Blacksmith comes at skill 60, and that's all you really need until later in the game. It'd be great to have Ebony or Glass Smithing as early as possible, but you don't need it.

Yep; I was thinking of getting to Smithing 30 for Elven Smithing for my first grind episode, as I am still using an iron greatsword (yuck!). But maybe I should push to 60 in one go?

引用自 matt
Instead, sell enough potions to have some spending money. Then buy all your crafting equipment outright from shops. You can trap souls if you want, but it's faster to just buy populated grand soul gems. You'll need a lot, so buy something like 15-20. Don't bother digging up ore -- that's for chumps. Just buy it from blacksmiths. Craft yourself a full suit of Orcish, Nordic, or Elven Gilded armor. Enchant a full set of crafting equipment: a blacksmith's shirt of Smithing (for role-playing -- you gotta look the part, of course), gloves of alchemy, gloves of smithing, ring of alchemy, ring of smithing, necklace of alchemy, and necklace of smithing. Later on, you can use double enchantments to reduce the amount of stuff required.

I have enough cash for my current of level 20, I think. Is 16k enough? I've literally not bought anything from merchants, and I stole so much stuff. Getting Sneaking power-leveled at Helgren was key for this.

What do you mean by "all your crafting equipment"? Be more specific, please?

And I agree on buying populated Grand Soul Gems; I did that the last game as well. In fact, that's why I have been so stingy so far.

引用自 matt

Make a potion of smithing. Put on your gloves, shirt, ring, and necklace of smithing. Drink the potion and improve all your armor and weapons.

Yup; I recall the crafting grind from Oldrim vividly! :( (I stopped playing the last 6-7 years, and I recently came back for AE.)

引用自 matt
Check the merchants for good enchantments. Buy a paralysis or absorb health weapon, skip the other stuff. Drink a potion of enchanting. Enchant your weapon to have paralysis and/or absorb health.

Sage advice, indeed! I did think of absorb health enchants but forgot about paralysis enchants.

引用自 matt
Now make yourself a ring of magic resistance, a necklace of magic resistance, and some potions of magic resistance. This will be your mage-killing equipment. Then enchant your gauntlets to do extra bow damage and/or one-handed weapon damage. Enchant your chest armor to give you better health or whatever else you think is best. Enchant your helm to give you better bow damage and/or magicka. Enchant your boots for better one-handed damage and/or add a resistance. Make a set of rings and necklaces for bow damage, one-handed weapon damage, or whatever you use.

Since I am a Breton, I was thinking of simply going Lord's or Atronarch Stone and the Perk on the Alteration tree. That should put me at or near max with magic resistance anyways, along with Agent of Mara. If you start as Breton, aren't there better enchants for jewelry?

引用自 matt
Make as many restore health potions as you can. Optionally, make some potions of one-handed damage, bow damage, and fire/frost/shock resistance. Maybe make some poisons, too. Slow is great, paralysis is awesome.

Smithing 50-60, Enchanting 50, and Alchemy 40-60 should be enough for this.

Will do then. I will push to that halfway level to maxing all crafting and break and start fighting again.

Thanks for the comprehensive response!
Lampros 2021 年 12 月 16 日 上午 10:53 
引用自 RuunForRest
If perkpoints are bit to rare u might try ESO Skyshards
https://www.moddb.com/mods/eso-skyshards

For general on-the-fly combat balancing i love this one:
Fine Tuned Challenge
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/26889?tab=description

I'd rather not boost myself even more by getting mods that give me superior gear, stats, or more Perks though. I feel PC is already over-powered as is relative to in-game enemies.

Thanks for the mod link; I will check it out!
最後修改者:Lampros; 2021 年 12 月 16 日 上午 10:54
Boboscus 2021 年 12 月 16 日 上午 10:54 
Don't power level anything, play as you would normally. you wouldn't just go and make 400 daggers, that's stupid.
alexander_dougherty 2021 年 12 月 16 日 上午 10:56 
You just level up crafting skills when you judge it to be an appropriate time.
Make saves often so if you find enemies oneshotting you, then you can lose some progress and do it differently the second time around.
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