The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition

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ATEM May 12, 2021 @ 9:13pm
This Problem Is Driving me INSANE
This post will be long and detailed because I want to see if someone has faced this issue and found a solution, and I also want to avoid for you to make obvious comments/suggestions I already tried. I truly want to find a solution.

After long years I finally decided I wanted to play Skyrim again, I really hesitated to play again because I remember the despair and nightmare that this game is with its "CTDs", and nerve-racking bugs. At least in the LE version.

Well, long story short, I downloaded the SkyrimSE, and started modding the game, and I was impressed that I haven't got any CTD. The game looks fantastic, and I want to play it more than ever. My game is CTD free, yet, I got something just as bad, or even worse than a CTD, let me explain.

First here are my specs:

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GPU: RTX3080 Gaming Trio
CPU: Ryzen 5900x
RAM: 64GB Corsair Dominator Platinium 3200mhz
SSD: Samsung M.2 (2TB) [Game is installed here]
Note: Nothing is Overclocked.
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As you may see it's an enthusiast rig and is ready to demolish anything. So specs requirements are good to go.

Sorry to keep you waiting here is the problem: The game runs at 3440x1440 at solid 60fps 95% of the time, I have slights drops to 54 but that's it. Suddenly, for no apparent reason, the GPU will drop the usage to ZERO (0%) and the FPS will TANK down to 1-2FPS which I couldn't believe my eyes. The interesting bit, is that my CPU from 10% usage will JUMP TO ONE HUNDRED PERCENT, yes, Skyrim SE modded is making a 5900x 12 cores CPU work to 90-95% which is another proof that Skyrim still a nightmare to mod.

This phenomenon is happening very frequently. Please note that the game do not CTD. It just plays at 2fps. If I press "esc" and go back to the main menu and I reload, the game is back to normal and uses the GPU 100% and the cpu 10% as it should. Few minutes later, the same thing happens, rinse and repeat.

My approach troubleshooting:

1. ENB Series is the culprit: Uninstalled, nope, same things happens. [Discarded]
2. 3080 VRAM is using 9100MB: That's it! it's the VRAM limitation that's causing this mess. Unistalled 4K textures, VRAM usage is now 5100MB. Nope, it happened again.
3. Desperate attemps: Disable RivaTuner, No. Disable VSYNC, No. Save is dirty, start new game, no. Close everything but just the game, no.

I literally can't think of anything that would make my PC to behave this way. If a mod is causing a problem it usually crashes the game. I'm not new to modding and I've never seem this.

Thank you for taking the time to read all of this, any suggestion is appreciated. I will leave below pictures and my mod list.

[Pic#1: Game behaving normally (See left upper corner)]
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2485559097

[Pic#2: Game wrecked (See left upper corner for GPU & CPU Usage)]
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2485559122

Mod list: (Using Vortex)

1 Skyrim 2020 8.0 Part I-2347-8-0-1614617021
1 Skyrim 2020 8.0 Part II-2347-8-0-1614619237
1hm_walkForward SE
360 Walk and Run Plus SSE-7446-3-13
A Quality World Map - Classic with All Roads-5804-8-4CA
AchievementsModsEnablerSSE-245-1-0-1-1
AddItemMenuSE_114_SKSE2019-17563-1-14-1598741692
All in one-32444-2-1582543914
Amazing Follower Tweaks-6656-3
Aya - With favepaint-42275-0-1-1605157789
Billyy Lesbian Animation Pack-42502-1-0-1609187898
Black Thief Suit SSE - CBBE Main Files-45063-1-04-1617658270
BodySlide and Outfit Studio - v5.3.1-201-5-3-1-1611082059
Caliente's Beautiful Bodies Enhancer - v1.6.1-198-1-6-1-1597588589
CBBE 3BBB - Minou Aradia Lace Dress-47021-1-1-1616331674
CBBE SMP (3BBB)-29023-1-2-0-1602084970
cbp.7z-13207-0-26-1574536208
Chainmail Bikinis CBBE-39236-2-1597508482
chob0318 Collection Ji-eun Follower SE-48556-v1-1618432437
Complete Widescreen Fix for SkyUI 5.2 SE Alpha - 2560x1080-1778-2-0
ConsoleUtilSSE-24858-1-2-0-1583021370
CopyCharacterAppearance v1.0.0 for SkyrimSE-38400-1-0-0-1594988029
crossbow_walkforward SE
Cute Asian Style Racemenu Preset SE-40341-1v1-1599843181
Daily Wear-33929-1-2-1590845940
DineWithFollowersV13-4310-1-3
Dolomite Weathers v1.6 Natural and Vivid-7895-1-6
Dynamic Camera-8802-V3
Elrissa - A Racemenu Preset-49255-0-1a-1619780665
Enhanced Lights and FX-2424-3-06
ESL Standard Pretty Face and Darker Brows Stand Alone-40477-1v1-1600122489
Expressive Facegen Morphs SE-35785-1-0-1595174141
Expressive Facial Animation - Female Edition-19181-1-7-1575746557
Face Discoloration Fix-42441-1-0-0-1605536895
Fair Skin Complexion for CBBE v10.0-798-10-0
Female Makeup Suite - Face - 2K-24495-1-2-1562452588
Feminine Pickup Animation SE-20425-2-0-1546242758
FNIS Behavior SE 7_6-3038-7-6-1582048023
FNIS Data (Default)
Followers Can Relax-4795-SE1-0
GS_SLAL SE 07 03
GS_SLAL SE Creatures 10 01
GSPoses SE 09 05
HDT-SMP for SSE 1.5.97 v2.11-30872-2-11-1578745910
High Poly Head v1.4 (SE)
idle_SE
JContainers SE-16495-4-1-13-1602690897
kawadu animations - female walk run and sprint animation v 1.6.4-48358-1-6-4-1619993873
KS Hairdos SMP-31300-1-4-3-1596895272
KS Jewelry SSE-15422-1-0
Main 3.8-2357-3-8
Makeup Overhaul v1.0-798-1-0
MfgFix-11669-1-5-4-1592988142
Nibbles' Animations for OStim-49138-1-1-1619510222
Northern Grass-25459-1-00-1556635600
OCum-45990-1-3-1615352800
OSA Poser Module Merged ESP
OSA-17217-2-023-SE
Osare DressArmour - SSE CBBE BodySlide-25162-1-0-1555701462
OSearch-43018-1-1-1611564176
OSex-17209-2-02SE-Alpha
OStim-40725-4-8-1-1619789247
OStrap_1.1
PapyrusUtil SE - Scripting Utility Functions-13048-3-9-1580810594
Poser Module
Pretty Combat Animations 1.38-3761-1-38-1548019521
Pretty Sit Idle 1.41d-10399-1-41d
Project Proteus - 3.0.0-46620-3-0-0-1619197078
Proper Aiming-1884-1-0
R18pn Leere Armor SSE - Craft - Royal Retexture included - 7B Cleavage - Physics - v1.5.0-43128-1-5-0-1607268681
RaceMenu High Heels Fixes-18045-1-3-1552859840
RaceMenu Special Edition v0-4-16-19080-0-4-16-1601805673
Ranger Armor - SSE CBBE BodySlide-16950-1-7-1583046460
Realistic Ragdolls and Force SE-1439-1-92
Realistic Water Two SE v3.1.0-2182-3-1-0-1615535704
RealisticNeedsandDiseasesUSSEP-3487-1-0-4
Relaxed Sneak Animations-37260-1-0-1592084552
Schlongs_of_Skyrim_SE - v1.1.4
Sexy idle Animation - Skyrim Special Edition-3197-1-0
SFO (No Grass)-2154-2-72H-1618716771
SkFO SE -Skin Feature Overlays- 4K-20183-1-6-1562446832
Skyforge Weapons SSE-5609-1-0b
SkyUI_5_2_SE-12604-5-2SE
SMIM SE 2-08-659-2-08
SSE Parallax Shader Fix v1.0 (BETA)-31963-1-0-1579609660
Tempered Skins for Males - Nude Version-7902-2-05-1601297325
Tempered Skins for Males - SOS Full version-7902-2-06-1601375163
The Eyes of Beauty SSE-16185-1-2-1-1598238698
The Pure - CBBE-20583-1-3-1-1551788502
Timescale 6-1053-1-1
TMB Vanilla Armors And Clothes SSE v1_4_0-18094-1-4-0
UIExtensions v1-2-0-17561-1-2-0
Undies - SSE CBBE BodySlide-17933-1-1
Unofficial OSex Bug Patch-47584-1-0-1616791104
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch-266-4-2-4b-1608419879
VHR - Vanilla Hair Replacer - Bald is Beautiful (BIB) Version-25574-2-0-1590892284
Wolfpaint - Face - Racemenu Overlays - Male and Female-30255-1-0-MF-1573895529
Xiao Ling - Swordswoman Follower - BHUNP-49141-1-0-1619512827
XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended-1988-4-80-1610196777
Yun High Poly Head Racemenu Preset-41723-v1-1603662204
Yuna Racemenu preset-41575-1-01-1603309324
Yvonne Assets SE-48711-1-0-1-1618753896
zzjay's Wardrobe - SSE CBBE BodySlide-19506-1-1
__vortex_staging_folder
vortex.deployment.msgpack
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the unofficial patch has to be under the game .esm files and also try sorting your load order and then if the problem persists repost your sorted load order
ATEM May 12, 2021 @ 10:23pm 
Originally posted by Silent Protagonist:
the unofficial patch has to be under the game .esm files and also try sorting your load order and then if the problem persists repost your sorted load order

That's just the list of mods I have, not the order. Unoffical patch is under the game .esm. I can't find a way to copy the list from vortex. I don't think the load order is the problem. I was thinking that the only way this game can use 100% my cpu is if somehow the physics get broken. So I guess tomorrow I'll disable everything related to HDT-SMP to see if that helps.

Most of the mods I have are animations and textures, those should not be an issue.
SailaNamai May 12, 2021 @ 11:55pm 
HDT ist the culprit. It's a bug that it's been plagued with since it's release. It has gotten a little better, but it's still there. If i remember right the command "smp reset" will reset it without the need to reload.
Generally speaking no matter how powerful your CPU is it is best to couple HDT-SMP with CBPC. If set up right you can reduce the bug occuring to once every couple of hours or so. From my experience the more intricate a hairstyle is (if it has physics) the faster it will break.
An alphabetical list of your mods might be good for suggesting them to players, but for troubleshooting you need to post the load order, so people can see if something is obviously in the wrong place
ATEM May 13, 2021 @ 7:53am 
Originally posted by SailaNamai:
HDT ist the culprit. It's a bug that it's been plagued with since it's release. It has gotten a little better, but it's still there. If i remember right the command "smp reset" will reset it without the need to reload.
Generally speaking no matter how powerful your CPU is it is best to couple HDT-SMP with CBPC. If set up right you can reduce the bug occuring to once every couple of hours or so. From my experience the more intricate a hairstyle is (if it has physics) the faster it will break.

It seems I was heading in the right direction. Thank you for that comment, I had no idea this is a common issue. Yes, the both my char and follower have HDT-SMP hair/bodies. Something I noticed is that when I'm in the open world the game do not wreck too often, but when I'm indoors that's when it happens the most.
ATEM May 13, 2021 @ 8:05am 
Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:
An alphabetical list of your mods might be good for suggesting them to players, but for troubleshooting you need to post the load order, so people can see if something is obviously in the wrong place

This is Vortex's and LOOT's order suggestion. I think the issue is more what SailaNamai said, but here is the load order list anyways:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1z8qIndkluvliiuOnm2IzQSjOriznjS68/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mPEUNXE1yqEpghJI8i4IWvE2oPYDOmE4/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eGEUWKQTyALmTjgp1vTA_xNxGy_rHPaT/view?usp=sharing

SailaNamai May 13, 2021 @ 9:49am 
Originally posted by ATEM:
It seems I was heading in the right direction. Thank you for that comment, I had no idea this is a common issue. Yes, the both my char and follower have HDT-SMP hair/bodies. Something I noticed is that when I'm in the open world the game do not wreck too often, but when I'm indoors that's when it happens the most.

It's a real shame too because the hair just adds so much flair i simply can't play without anymore. The jiggle is nice and all but i don't really notice it when not actively looking. You can set it up in a way that CBPC handles the jiggle and hdt-smp the rest and also switch modes via hotkey.

Word of warning that low fps can be detrimental to your games health. The reason why i'm not sure about the smp reset command is that i'm not using it. Once my physics break i always roll back my save. You might have noticed odd physics behaviour (from non hdt objects) while at low fps. This applies to other aspects of the engine, namely papyrus, as well. Some mods will periodically update or listen for certain events. Say you have a survival mod that once per second updates your heat level. With normal frame rates that is not an issue because in computational terms one second is plenty of time. The problem is if said mod calls for a new update before the last one is processed, or worse is in the process of updating itself. That can (depending on how the mod is written) seriously mess up variables, break entire mods and bork your save.
ATEM May 13, 2021 @ 10:28am 
Originally posted by SailaNamai:
Originally posted by ATEM:
It seems I was heading in the right direction. Thank you for that comment, I had no idea this is a common issue. Yes, the both my char and follower have HDT-SMP hair/bodies. Something I noticed is that when I'm in the open world the game do not wreck too often, but when I'm indoors that's when it happens the most.

It's a real shame too because the hair just adds so much flair i simply can't play without anymore. The jiggle is nice and all but i don't really notice it when not actively looking. You can set it up in a way that CBPC handles the jiggle and hdt-smp the rest and also switch modes via hotkey.

Word of warning that low fps can be detrimental to your games health. The reason why i'm not sure about the smp reset command is that i'm not using it. Once my physics break i always roll back my save. You might have noticed odd physics behaviour (from non hdt objects) while at low fps. This applies to other aspects of the engine, namely papyrus, as well. Some mods will periodically update or listen for certain events. Say you have a survival mod that once per second updates your heat level. With normal frame rates that is not an issue because in computational terms one second is plenty of time. The problem is if said mod calls for a new update before the last one is processed, or worse is in the process of updating itself. That can (depending on how the mod is written) seriously mess up variables, break entire mods and bork your save.

I totally agree, there are some mods that we can’t live without.

Since you’re here let me ask one more question; if I want to change the HDT-SMP body to CBPC, do I need the XPSM Skeleton to be in HDT? In other words, I’m just wondering if I just should download the CBPC file and overwrite everything it needs to or I need to do something else first?

What about the armors that are HDT? Are those compatible with CBPC out of the box?
SailaNamai May 13, 2021 @ 10:49am 
You can check the CBPC instructions and 3rd sticky post on how to do it:
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/21224?tab=posts
Sorry i don't want to rewrite or copy&paste the entire thing ;)
Install order wise i have it set like this:
CBPC
HDT-SMP
CBBE (overwrites CBPC)
CBBE 3BBB (overwrites CBBE)
XP32 Skeleton (overwrites SOS (if you have that), does not get overwritten by anything)

CBPC is quite limited in what it does. Meaning it can't effect hair or certain armor physics. It can handle all the jiggle but it can't do stuff like cape physics.

It will take some reading on your part (it can be daunting to get through) and i should mention that this particular build is 3 (or so) month old so i can't speak to new versions of any of the mods involved (if there are any).
Last edited by SailaNamai; May 13, 2021 @ 10:57am
ATEM May 13, 2021 @ 11:04am 
Originally posted by SailaNamai:
You can check the CBPC instructions and 3rd sticky post on how to do it:
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/21224?tab=posts
Sorry i don't want to rewrite or copy&paste the entire thing ;)
Install order wise i have it set like this:
CBPC
HDT-SMP
CBBE (overwrites CBPC)
CBBE 3BBB (overwrites CBBE)
XP32 Skeleton (overwrites SOS (if you have that), does not get overwritten by anything)

CBPC is quite limited in what it does. Meaning it can't effect hair or certain armor physics. It can handle all the jiggle but it can't do stuff like cape physics.

It will take some reading on your part (it can be daunting to get through) and i should mention that this particular build is 3 (or so) month old so i can't speak to new versions of any of the mods involved (if there are any).

That's fine man you've done enough. At least I know what I'm up against to fix this later. Just knowing that the physics were the ones messing my game is just what I needed to know :)
alexander_dougherty May 13, 2021 @ 11:21am 
Originally posted by ATEM:
Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:
An alphabetical list of your mods might be good for suggesting them to players, but for troubleshooting you need to post the load order, so people can see if something is obviously in the wrong place

This is Vortex's and LOOT's order suggestion. I think the issue is more what SailaNamai said, but here is the load order list anyways:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1z8qIndkluvliiuOnm2IzQSjOriznjS68/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mPEUNXE1yqEpghJI8i4IWvE2oPYDOmE4/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eGEUWKQTyALmTjgp1vTA_xNxGy_rHPaT/view?usp=sharing
I will look through them, but LOOT has a symbol that looks like three dots, you can use that to copy your load order for pasting directly into a post.... just so you know
ATEM May 13, 2021 @ 3:56pm 
Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:
Originally posted by ATEM:

This is Vortex's and LOOT's order suggestion. I think the issue is more what SailaNamai said, but here is the load order list anyways:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1z8qIndkluvliiuOnm2IzQSjOriznjS68/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mPEUNXE1yqEpghJI8i4IWvE2oPYDOmE4/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eGEUWKQTyALmTjgp1vTA_xNxGy_rHPaT/view?usp=sharing
I will look through them, but LOOT has a symbol that looks like three dots, you can use that to copy your load order for pasting directly into a post.... just so you know

The issue I was having is HDT-SMP. I researched and that mod was abandoned and it causes the problem I had. After removing it, I don't have this problem anymore, but the price to pay is no physics which sucks. All one could do is brush it under the rug with fake physics armor/body, but the RIP the hair motion. In any case, I appreciate you reading and trying to help (y).

Nuheni May 13, 2021 @ 5:06pm 
I had a similar issue, when i used the replacement clothes in bodyslide that had physics, was really fun to look at the bounce on everyone around for 5 minutes, before my `puter tanked.
but, you don`t have to be without, i never use it on hair, and restricted it to outfits that are standalone, and it works flawlessly. Even in scenarios when the outfits are off, as it`s usually only one or two more people for the system to handle physics on.
Originally posted by ATEM:
Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:
I will look through them, but LOOT has a symbol that looks like three dots, you can use that to copy your load order for pasting directly into a post.... just so you know

The issue I was having is HDT-SMP. I researched and that mod was abandoned and it causes the problem I had. After removing it, I don't have this problem anymore, but the price to pay is no physics which sucks. All one could do is brush it under the rug with fake physics armor/body, but the RIP the hair motion. In any case, I appreciate you reading and trying to help (y).
Hope you started a new game after removing a mod....
ATEM May 14, 2021 @ 8:02am 
Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:
Originally posted by ATEM:

The issue I was having is HDT-SMP. I researched and that mod was abandoned and it causes the problem I had. After removing it, I don't have this problem anymore, but the price to pay is no physics which sucks. All one could do is brush it under the rug with fake physics armor/body, but the RIP the hair motion. In any case, I appreciate you reading and trying to help (y).
Hope you started a new game after removing a mod....

Tecnically the only thing I did was replace all the SMP bodies with CBPC. I didn't unistall HDT-SMP but only used it for the hair/wigs, so I did not have a need to start a new save. Yesterday I played like 5 hours without any issue.
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