Save Ondolemar?

[AlduinTWE]

Is there a mod that prevents Ondolemar from being "killed" during the quest where Tullius and Ulfirc meet with the Dragonborn at High Hrothgar? If not how do I make that happen in the creation kit? Or is it possible to not hand Markarth over to Ulfric during the meeting? If so how do I do that?

Its not that particularly like the character, its just that hes the leader of the Justiciars in ALL of Skyrim. So, he feels like too important of a set piece to just have an off-screen death. You'd think he'd go to Solitude with the exiled Jarl and his court members like everyone else.

I know I can prevent him from dying if I join the imperials before the meeting, but I don't normally do the civil war questline at all. And if I do, I like to do it after the main questline. It doesn't really make sense to take part in a war during a literal apocalyptic event where a time eating dragon has threatened to devour the world!

So yeah! Any help or suggestions on how to prevent his death?

[SpeedFreak1972]

Question: Any reason Why you want to prevent his death?

[Appa]

Originally posted by SpeedFreak1972:

Question: Any reason Why you want to prevent his death?

because he's actually nice too the player, for thalmor standards

[Ihateeverybody]

" It doesn't really make sense to take part in a war during a literal apocalyptic event where a time eating dragon has threatened to devour the world!"

The fact that the Stormcloaks and Thalmor have no issue with it should tell you quite a bit about their leadership (which is literally the fault of the led for following that leadership).

While I am opposed to the Empire on a personal basis (Problems with authority) they are acting always in self preservation. Everyone else. Well they are just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥!

[Flame-kun]

Finish the empire civil war questline before Season Unending.

[Rez Elwin]

You don't have to give Markarth to Ulfric, just don't agree to that demand. I'll admit it has been awhile since I have done the treaty talk, but I know for a Fact Markarth and Riften do not have to change hands.

[Ihateeverybody]

Originally posted by Rez Elwin:

You don't have to give Markarth to Ulfric, just don't agree to that demand. I'll admit it has been awhile since I have done the treaty talk, but I know for a Fact Markarth and Riften do not have to change hands.

I am pretty sure you HAVE to trade a city. You may have an option of which. Then the other side wants one and same deal you have an Option.

I don't know what plays into it and what choices. I mean if there was an option to tell them all to shut the #($* up, I am the one that would do it.

[SpeedFreak1972]

To my knowledge you can't deny that the only thing you don't have to give is Riften, but if you don't the talks continue and Tullius demands more holds instead of Riften.

[Rez Elwin]

Originally posted by Ihateeverybody:

Originally posted by Rez Elwin:

You don't have to give Markarth to Ulfric, just don't agree to that demand. I'll admit it has been awhile since I have done the treaty talk, but I know for a Fact Markarth and Riften do not have to change hands.

I am pretty sure you HAVE to trade a city. You may have an option of which. Then the other side wants one and same deal you have an Option.

I don't know what plays into it and what choices. I mean if there was an option to tell them all to shut the #($* up, I am the one that would do it.

You do yes, but only minor holds, Markarth and Riften can remain Empire and Stormcloak respectively.

[Valden21]

OP, if you want my advice, I'd say that your best bet would be to finish the Civil War questline. According to UESP, doing that causes the main quest to skip the quest where the summit happens, due to the war being resolved. That's why the summit happens, to create a temporary cease-fire until you've dealt with Alduin. Completing the civil war removes the need to have a cease-fire, as the war's over.

[AlduinTWE]

Originally posted by Rez Elwin:

Originally posted by Ihateeverybody:

I am pretty sure you HAVE to trade a city. You may have an option of which. Then the other side wants one and same deal you have an Option.

I don't know what plays into it and what choices. I mean if there was an option to tell them all to shut the #($* up, I am the one that would do it.

You do yes, but only minor holds, Markarth and Riften can remain Empire and Stormcloak respectively.

So I don't have to give the Stormcloaks Markarth? How do I deny them this when Ulfric immediately demands the city during the meeting? What dialogue option do I need to select to prevent this & ensure Markarth remains under imperial control? Does kicking out Elenwen have anything to do with it?

[HazakTheMad]

Originally posted by AlduinTWE:

Originally posted by Rez Elwin:

You do yes, but only minor holds, Markarth and Riften can remain Empire and Stormcloak respectively.

So I don't have to give the Stormcloaks Markarth? How do I deny them this when Ulfric immediately demands the city during the meeting? What dialogue option do I need to select to prevent this & ensure Markarth remains under imperial control? Does kicking out Elenwen have anything to do with it?

He just gets angry at you and believes you are taking the other side.
I will give the full info in two posts.

[HazakTheMad]

This is for stormcloaks

Pre-Negotiation Elenwen stays +1 Pro-Imperial choice
Elenwen leaves -1 Pro-Stormcloak choice
Phase One: Imperial Demand Riften and The Rift are given to the Imperials (no choice) +2 Pro-Imperial choice
Phase One: Stormcloak Counter-demand Markarth and The Reach are given to the Stormcloaks (only if The Reach has not been taken) -2 Strong pro-Stormcloak choice
Morthal and Hjaalmarch are given to the Stormcloaks -1 Weak pro-Stormcloak choice
Falkreath and its hold are given to the Stormcloaks -1 Weak pro-Stormcloak choice
Phase Two — if score is positive or zero
Each of the following options is offered (if available), and can be accepted or declined until the score reaches zero or there are no more options.
Falkreath and its hold are given to the Stormcloaks (only if Falkreath Hold has not been taken, or not previously offered.) -1 Pro-Stormcloak choice
Morthal and Hjaalmarch are given to the Stormcloaks (only if Hjaalmarch has not been taken, or not previously offered.) -1 Pro-Stormcloak choice
Phase Two — if score is negative
Each of the following options is offered (if available), and can be accepted or declined until the score reaches zero or there are no more options.
Stormcloaks pay compensation for the massacre at Karthwasten +1 Pro-Imperial choice
Dawnstar and The Pale are given to the Imperials +1 Pro-Imperial choice
Winterhold and its hold are given to the Imperials

[HazakTheMad]

This is neutral or imperial

Pre-Negotiation Elenwen stays +1 Pro-Imperial choice
Elenwen leaves -1 Pro-Stormcloak choice
Phase One: Stormcloak Demand Markarth and The Reach are given to the Stormcloaks (no choice) -2 Pro-Stormcloak choice
Phase One: Imperial Counter-demand Riften and The Rift are given to the Imperials (only if The Rift has not been taken) +2 Strong pro-Imperial choice
Dawnstar and The Pale are given to the Imperials +1 Weak pro-Imperial choice
Winterhold and its hold are given to the Imperials +1 Weak pro-Imperial choice
Phase Two — if score is negative or zero
Each of the following options is offered (if available), and can be accepted or declined until the score reaches zero or there are no more options.
Stormcloaks pay compensation for the massacre at Karthwasten +1 Pro-Imperial choice
Winterhold and its hold are given to the Imperials (only if Winterhold has not been taken and Winterhold was not previously offered) +1 Pro-Imperial choice
Dawnstar and The Pale are given to the Imperials (only if The Pale has not been taken and the Pale was not previously offered) +1 Weak pro-Imperial choice
Phase Two — if score is positive
Each of the following options is offered (if available), and can be accepted or declined until the score reaches zero or there are no more options.
Morthal and Hjaalmarch are given to the Stormcloaks -1 Pro-Stormcloak choice
Falkreath and its hold are given to the Stormcloaks -1 Pro-Stormcloak choice

[HazakTheMad]

Both are from uespwiki.
You have to keep the balance by conceding to both sides.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Season_Unending#Allied_with_the_Imperials_or_Neutral

[AlduinTWE]

Originally posted by HazakTheMad:

Both are from uespwiki.
You have to keep the balance by conceding to both sides.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Season_Unending#Allied_with_the_Imperials_or_Neutral

What causes me to get either of the two options in the meeting?
If I join the Stormcloaks - will Tullius stand up and demand Riften? Or is there another way to trigger Tullius demanding Riften? Can I still join the imperials after the meeting if I joined the Stormcloaks first?