"Bethesda's downfall" (Internet Drama)

[PanicOregon281]

I've been watching YouTube and lately the channels I watch are touting the 'Downfall of Bethesda".
Thinking about it, Part of me Kinda welcomes it because the CC updates will cease and the Re-Re-Re-Re-Re-Releasing of Skyrim will cease, allowing us to keep really old mods without worrying "will this be incompatible next month, or next year"

I'm curious what everyone else thinks, I don't watch the standard of Bethesda related channels. So I'm kinda curious, From what I understand this premise is boiling up from the recent failure of StarField, and some Microsoft talks going around in the works.

[Liquid Inc]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von worm_master:

I think we are still talking at cross purposes here, I mean without a physical connection to Steam, the games wont run. Even when your off line, your still online to steam, otherwise the DRM would prevent uou from running the game

Skyrim has no DRM; Steam acts as that. Steam can be started in Offline mode, and the game run without external connections of any kind.

[worm_master]

I'm not usely this dense, I'm still a little confused, as I said, skyrim was the only game i could run, becasue it has no DRM, when my provider restored net access, the games that didn't run, ran..

We all know about NoCd's, every game, has one Steam is that NoCds preventative. If I want to play with no physical net I'd have to do that for every game, which means of course, I could never ever use steam again hahaha

[smr1957]

Unless a game specifically requires an internet connection (such as an online multiplayer or co-op game), no access to the internet is required - once downloaded and installed on your PC or laptop, any game will run regardless of whether there is internet or not.

[PanicOregon281]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von worm_master:

I'm not usely this dense, I'm still a little confused, as I said, skyrim was the only game i could run, becasue it has no DRM, when my provider restored net access, the games that didn't run, ran..

We all know about NoCd's, every game, has one Steam is that NoCds preventative. If I want to play with no physical net I'd have to do that for every game, which means of course, I could never ever use steam again hahaha

Skyrim is not using the DLL, some games do have Steam DRM blobs that require the SteamClientAPI that runs locally from the Steam program.

But SteamDRM, and SteamAPI are entirely different things.

[-={LG}=-]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Altbert:

Nor is SteamDB able to measure players in offline mode. What does that say about SteamDB's metrics?

So Starfield is actually wildly popular, it's just that everyone is playing it offline? If SteamDB showed that Starfield was trouncing every other game I doubt you'd be taking issue with it. These sorts of arguments are akin to the bits of straw floating on a lake that the drowning man grasps at.

[Zero McDol]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Altbert:

None of any games in my library need to have Steam in online mode. Yes, I have a permanent Internet connection, but that doesn't mean I have to play any game with Steam in online mode (Steam Overlay).

EDIT
I think I have a very solid internet connection!

That's one of the main reasons that I like Bethesda. Their games aren't tied behind a internet connection.

When I had internet issues, no prob as I can still play Skyrim. Such is why I stick with Publishers that don't push the always online mumbo-jumbo, because in the end no one will ever own a always-online game (just look at The Crew 1, which is now gone forever). So for me, I stick with Bethesda even despite the fact that they're putting themselves through rough times with poor decisions. There's also a few other Publishers that I stick with that don't do bla bla DRM bla bla always-online games.

[PanicOregon281]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von -={LG}=-:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Altbert:

Nor is SteamDB able to measure players in offline mode. What does that say about SteamDB's metrics?

So Starfield is actually wildly popular, it's just that everyone is playing it offline? If SteamDB showed that Starfield was trouncing every other game I doubt you'd be taking issue with it. These sorts of arguments are akin to the bits of straw floating on a lake that the drowning man grasps at.

That's a story ik for a fact, tell me it.
Tell me about the drowning man!

[worm_master]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von PanicOregon281:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von worm_master:

I'm not usely this dense, I'm still a little confused, as I said, skyrim was the only game i could run, becasue it has no DRM, when my provider restored net access, the games that didn't run, ran..

We all know about NoCd's, every game, has one Steam is that NoCds preventative. If I want to play with no physical net I'd have to do that for every game, which means of course, I could never ever use steam again hahaha

Skyrim is not using the DLL, some games do have Steam DRM blobs that require the SteamClientAPI that runs locally from the Steam program.

But SteamDRM, and SteamAPI are entirely different things.

I was talking about DRM not API's :-), glad we got that cleared up :-)

Being "offline" shuts down the API's but not the DRM.

[Elf On A Hook]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von PanicOregon281:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Elf On A Hook:

am i forgetting somthing but skyrim was regular then special edition . how is the 6 rereleasings ? you mean updates?

Special edition is known as the version that brought ENB to base game.
when it was initially released is was pretty much referred to as Skyrim with mods.
Bizarrely the rendering for the new shaders somehow runs worse than just slapped ENB on SkyrimLE.

thank you for explaining i got kinda confused with posters question sorry if i answered daftly . makes sense to me now though . ty

[Altbert]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von -={LG}=-:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Altbert:

Nor is SteamDB able to measure players in offline mode. What does that say about SteamDB's metrics?

So Starfield is actually wildly popular, it's just that everyone is playing it offline? If SteamDB showed that Starfield was trouncing every other game I doubt you'd be taking issue with it. These sorts of arguments are akin to the bits of straw floating on a lake that the drowning man grasps at.

That's certainly not what I wrote. SteamDB only measures users who are playing the game in Steam online mode (Steam Overlay). We have no clue of the amount of users who play any game in offline mode or are using GOG versions of games. Any metrics of SteamDB are just metrics of SteamDB. It doesn't tell me if a certain game is wildly popular or not!

[whocares916]

crap that has annoyed me the most
is the giant middle finger to all the mods from fallout 4 and skyrim
fills like most of them dead because they wanted to force in buy mods garbage
as for the starfeild it was the feel to constant loading screen for every were plus the companions with stories were plain and boring to me

[-={LG}=-]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Altbert:

Any metrics of SteamDB are just metrics of SteamDB. It doesn't tell me if a certain game is wildly popular or not!

It doesn't *perfectly* measure reality. Perfection is not the enemy of good enough. SteamDB is good enough, and arguing that it lacks perfection is pointless. Nothing is perfect. SteamDB is an extremely reliable tool for drawing comparisons between games.

Not that anyone really needs SteamDB to know that Starfield is a flop. Your critique is sophistry.

[traviniperv]

Bethesda isnt special, they are one of many. EA was the first, followed by Ubi.
They have the same issue most game companies have. They were started by gamers and programmers, and ended up being run by businessmen. The kind of people who think all business is the same and you can run any business the same way so long as you know how to run a business and make money.
Those people are wrong. I heard the same ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in college. Its not true. You do need to understand your product, your customer, and your competition. You cant just sit in an office, crunch numbers, and get rich. It doesnt work that way. The game industry saw an influx of generic greedy ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, they made a game market bubble, the bubble appears to have burst, and now they flee and its the working man on the front line who will suffer the most. Also the customer is getting pooped on as a side effect. We are going to have a few years of junk before the companies pull their heads from their colons and get back to actually making fun games again.