Speechcraft is just barebones and Skyrim.

[LiquidFerret]

Speechcraft in Skyrim is just generic and has very little offer and persuasion as where you fail at most. I don't think you can actually increase your Speechcraft to maximum. It takes long to do it though especially selling items. I don't think it is possible to increase your speechcraft and persuasion to succeed is impossible! If anyone can' do it, I would to see proof because I won't believe it until i see it.

[Neo]

Foxtrot39 lähetti viestin:

Crimson Kitsune lähetti viestin:

Speechcraft should have buffed shouts in some way,to make it viable, theres actually a mod for that, but ive never tried it

there is immersive speechcraft to make it relevant, ordianator affect shouts a bit

Yes you beat me to it. That mod makes speech craft worth investing into. Especially if you use shouts a lot.

[TizianOwO]

Speechcraft (and especially the persuasion aspect) being so bad and taking forever to level up is really funny because like...just beat the thieves guild questline and you get an item that completely invalidates the skill even harder.
I see why a lot of perk overhaul mods pivot it towards affecting shouts, at least that comes up more than once in a blue moon.

[xybolt]

Fear2288 lähetti viestin:

I get why some people like having that kind of gameplay option but the games that do utilize it more heavily either over-use it (to give you the feeling that it’s worth investing points into) or it’s used to talk yourself out of situations where it makes zero sense that you’d even be able to do so.

there are some situations where you can introduce a speech check, such as the embassy mission or during season unending. Or that it is used in thieves guild questline to reach your goals.

That multiple authors have created mods to have the speech tree affecting your shout strength is an attempt to give an under-used perk tree a purpose.

[Foxtrot39]

Only time I saw a real speech check was the Thalmor prison from Helgen Reborn, you actually need a high speechraft level or you have to face a full forteresse of high level thalmor mages

Saldy this speechraft system of skyrim is the polar opposite of what you get in game like BG3 where entire fight can be avoided or boss litteraly convinced to go kill themselves, or you give them a nice roast before starting the fight

[MOON LEGS]

Neo lähetti viestin:

Actually being charismatic heavily relies on one's ability to articulate their words to form convincing speech.

If you're babbling your speech, that does not inspire trust and confidence.

Who needs words when you got bling.

[Foxtrot39]

MOON LEGS lähetti viestin:

Neo lähetti viestin:

Actually being charismatic heavily relies on one's ability to articulate their words to form convincing speech.

If you're babbling your speech, that does not inspire trust and confidence.

Who needs words when you got bling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPwFuCL33I8

[Perplex]

Wait until level 90 or so to do all the +skills for it in the world.

I like it, i like being able to sell garbage to any merchant. But the right side of the skill tree is completely pointless.

[abrahamnathir]

Watch Fevvy videos on youtube. He shows how to level speech in many of builds/playthroughs. He even has a vid specifically about getting rich in Skyrim even. The main thing is finding the trainer in Windhelm, a merchant, and using him to level speech quickly.

[LiquidFerret]

abrahamnathir lähetti viestin:

Watch Fevvy videos on youtube. He shows how to level speech in many of builds/playthroughs. He even has a vid specifically about getting rich in Skyrim even. The main thing is finding the trainer in Windhelm, a merchant, and using him to level speech quickly.

Fevvy? Doesn't ring a bell but I can watch his videos and it can help me out on Speech Craft. There was a mod where you can be a merchant and sell your stuff to folks in a city. I forgot what it was called. I can't put my foot there but I had it when I was playing the original Skyrim. Hopefully my memory will be refreshed soon about that mod. 🤔

[Junipercat]

You can raise the speech options. But for most people the default ways are tedious.

As i understand there are certain checks that are coded to never succeed, but otherwise you can pass most things if high enough. It is not overall impossible, level and RNG do matter.

That being said, it is a bit lackluster. Game is more adventure/action. Speech gives us a choice here and there, but meaningful choices wasn't fleshed out. Don't know if the next game will do better on this or more of the same.

[Profile Name]

Does anyone think the limits on how much a merchant can buy from you (thier gold,) harms the speech tree than helps it?

They really need a banking system.

[alexander_dougherty]

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Does anyone think the limits on how much a merchant can buy from you (thier gold,) harms the speech tree than helps it?

They really need a banking system.

it hurts the game, rather than the speechcraft, because it's a pain to have to go through all the merchants to sell the junk from one dungeon.

[Foxtrot39]

Thats why I always buy out any high price materials from them before selling, as leveling speechcraft is both ways

[Bansheebutt]

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Does anyone think the limits on how much a merchant can buy from you (thier gold,) harms the speech tree than helps it?

People liked to complain that it "made no sense" but this is why it was nice Oblivion merchants had a Buy Limit than a Gold Stock.

They should revisit it in VI, and place greater emphasis on what different types of Merchants will buy and how much they'll pay for them. Like an Alchemist won't pay much for potions, but will offer more than most for Ingredients.

That way you could just sell anything to a general trader if you wanted to, but you can earn a premium by paying attention to what specific merchants actually want.

[Hexnaught]

Had the game since release, only now playing it. I got around 105 hours in this save (not done much of the main content, nearly out of side quests (excluding DLCs))

I am up to I think 88 speech? So its not impossible to raise. With a +15 ammy and +10 on a helm, have been able to reach 100 for a while, I don't think I have failed a persuade attempt at all yet.

I do think the skill is reasonably inconsequential though.. biggest bonus is the perk to allow investment and (when i get it) more gold for the sellers.. then again, I have 270k gold and only missing the Solitude house.. So... gold isn't really needed.

EDIT: I never used a trainer to level this, it happened organically through dialogue and selling things.. I haven't bought anything off of vendors other than some lockpicks early on.