why is the Lore/story so weird!.

[Abisha]

so basically Thalmor Justiciar (dominions) that's exist south of Cyrodiil (Valenwood+Elsweyr)
somehow call the shots on Cyrodiil matters? a island as large is ireland (VS Cyrodiil, skyrim,High Rock+ Morrowwind

how exactly are they not whipped out?

compare-able to ireland VS, Germany, America, China and UK total not makes sense

[Venom Candle]

The Aldmeri Dominon won a war against a late-stage Empire comprised of weak sops and people whose motives are mostly mercenary, making them easy to push over and leash around. The Empire doesn't want to risk another war against the Dominion because they got their hinds kicked the last time.

That's your answer in a nutshell.

[Valden21]

Originally posted by Venom Candle:

The Aldmeri Dominon won a war against a late-stage Empire comprised of weak sops and people whose motives are mostly mercenary, making them easy to push over and leash around. The Empire doesn't want to risk another war against the Dominion because they got their hinds kicked the last time.

That's your answer in a nutshell.

By canon, that war's not over yet. The last major battle of the war, the Battle of the Red RIng, was a solid Imperial victory, and it even saw the death of the Dominion's primary field commander. But the Emperor was forced to sign it because the battle also saw a lot of Imperial soldiers die. They wanted to continue the fight, but they didn't have the strength to do so. If anything, all the treaty did was create a pause in the fighting while the Empire rebuild its forces.

[fauxpas]

Originally posted by Venom Candle:

The Aldmeri Dominon won a war against a late-stage Empire comprised of weak sops and people whose motives are mostly mercenary, making them easy to push over and leash around. The Empire doesn't want to risk another war against the Dominion because they got their hinds kicked the last time.

That's your answer in a nutshell.

The problem is that it's not actually true; the Imperials had turned the tide and was in the process of pushing the Thalmor into the sea ... after having disobeying orders and splitting thier forces to allow the Redguard Legions to remain behind to liberate thier homeland.


The reason Meede yanked defeat out of the jaws of victory and unnecessarily surrendered to the Thalmor is two fold, the first being that he didn't see the banning of Talos worship as a big deal and the second because the sacking of White-Gold was the first time in centuries that the rich nobles had to deal with bloodshed and personal cost and Meede was worried that they would turn against him if he didn't end the conflict as quickly as possible.

[Raz'Hikel]

The Thalmor and the Empire had a big war, ending in a stalemate treaty that favoured the Thalmor.

The most important part of the treaty was that the empire had to outlaw the worship of a god called talos who the nords LOVE.

So they got real mad and a veteran of the war against the Thalmor (Ulfric Stormcloak) convinced about half of skyrim to secede from the empire.

[RequiemsRose]

The Aldmeri Dominion is far from the weirdest part of the lore, but in a general sense they are at an advantage because the empire is in a rather weak and vulnerable state for a number of reasons that seemingly started with the death of the last Septim heir in Oblivion. Back in Oblivion they lost the entire Septim bloodline which used to be the emperor bloodline by blessing of Akatosh, kinda all went downhill from there. Obviously that wasn't the "final nail in the coffin" so to speak, more the start of the decline. An empire is only as strong as it's leadership regardless of it's size and this empire has had some major leadership issues.

[Ilja]

Game lore is also a bit confusing, because plenty of character background information was left out. It is available as a book, but game really should have presented it more clearly.

Especially Tullius, Ulfric and Elenwen can be seen in entirely new light. The tension during Season Undending would have gained entirely other meaning, if character backgrounds had been made more clear during the game.

[Abisha]

Originally posted by Raz'Hikel:

The Thalmor and the Empire had a big war, ending in a stalemate treaty that favoured the Thalmor.

The most important part of the treaty was that the empire had to outlaw the worship of a god called talos who the nords LOVE.

So they got real mad and a veteran of the war against the Thalmor (Ulfric Stormcloak) convinced about half of skyrim to secede from the empire.

and that's why the story gets more freaky. so high lord (skyrim) did nothing when Cyrodiil got attack by dominions. (they already did have a allegiance with the empire)

but now they are rebelling against not only against the dominions but also against the empire.. total logical.

[Ilja]

Originally posted by Abisha:

and that's why the story gets more freaky. so high lord (skyrim) did nothing when Cyrodiil got attack by dominions. (they already did have a allegiance with the empire)

but now they are rebelling against not only against the dominions but also against the empire.. total logical.

Skyrim took part of the Great War. They took heavy hits. That final great battle is exactly where Ulfric got messed up. By gettingkidnapped and later tortured by Elenwen, who now acts as Thalmor ambassador in Skyrim.

[Altbert]

The lore of the Elder Scrolls is so weird because Bethesda's writers didn't take existing lore into consideration. Take Delphine as an example (also in another thread) who claims the Blades were dragonslayers, while the Blades were actually the bodyguards of the Dragonborn Emperors, and most probably never have seen a dragon prior to the events in Skyrim. You could probably find more of such inconsistencies.

[Raz'Hikel]

Originally posted by Abisha:

Originally posted by Raz'Hikel:

The Thalmor and the Empire had a big war, ending in a stalemate treaty that favoured the Thalmor.

The most important part of the treaty was that the empire had to outlaw the worship of a god called talos who the nords LOVE.

So they got real mad and a veteran of the war against the Thalmor (Ulfric Stormcloak) convinced about half of skyrim to secede from the empire.

and that's why the story gets more freaky. so high lord (skyrim) did nothing when Cyrodiil got attack by dominions. (they already did have a allegiance with the empire)

but now they are rebelling against not only against the dominions but also against the empire.. total logical.

Skyrim was part of the empire before the rebellion. That's what a secession is.

[Valden21]

Originally posted by Abisha:

and that's why the story gets more freaky. so high lord (skyrim) did nothing when Cyrodiil got attack by dominions. (they already did have a allegiance with the empire)

but now they are rebelling against not only against the dominions but also against the empire.. total logical.

The treaty that made it illegal to worship Talos also gave the Thalmor the authority to enforce that; that's the only authority the Thalmor have in Skyrim. The Stormcloaks are primarily angry because of the ban itself. It's not the Dominion the Stormcloaks are rebelling against, because the Dominion has no political power in Skyrim beyond that given to it by the treaty. They're rebelling against the Empire, largely because many of them don't see that violating the ban would re-start the war. What they fail to realize is that the Empire's not as powerful as it used to be. The Dominion and the areas it controls USED to be part of the Empire, but events two hundred years before the game begins changed that.

[fauxpas]

Originally posted by Valden21:

Originally posted by Abisha:

and that's why the story gets more freaky. so high lord (skyrim) did nothing when Cyrodiil got attack by dominions. (they already did have a allegiance with the empire)

but now they are rebelling against not only against the dominions but also against the empire.. total logical.

The treaty that made it illegal to worship Talos also gave the Thalmor the authority to enforce that; that's the only authority the Thalmor have in Skyrim. The Stormcloaks are primarily angry because of the ban itself. It's not the Dominion the Stormcloaks are rebelling against, because the Dominion has no political power in Skyrim beyond that given to it by the treaty. They're rebelling against the Empire, largely because many of them don't see that violating the ban would re-start the war. What they fail to realize is that the Empire's not as powerful as it used to be. The Dominion and the areas it controls USED to be part of the Empire, but events two hundred years before the game begins changed that.

Sure ... because the Empire "totally" doesn't give the Thalmor authority to break into your house in the middle of the night, haul you into a dungeon, torture a confession out of you, and then execute you as they see fit.

The Stormcloaks are rebelling for alot if reasons, a big one being that they recognize the Empire is a weakened, dying shadow of itself.

[Ihateeverybody]

Originally posted by Altbert:

The lore of the Elder Scrolls is so weird because Bethesda's writers didn't take existing lore into consideration. Take Delphine as an example (also in another thread) who claims the Blades were dragonslayers, while the Blades were actually the bodyguards of the Dragonborn Emperors, and most probably never have seen a dragon prior to the events in Skyrim. You could probably find more of such inconsistencies.

I am quoting you but I am answering the class.

The earliest early lore was basicly (arena) was just a bunch of Tabletoppers making a game. Daggerfall lore is weird because it tries to blurr the line. 9/10ths of the "lore" in that game is fiction devised by NPC writers (its not meant to be factual).

Morrowind is really where the Lore begins. The idea that Multiple Endings of Daggerfall all took place simultaniously was a conceptual leap at the time. The lore surrounding Whitestrake is really telling. The mythic era is sold as this pre-history period where any conceivable combination of events took place.

Think of it as the mixing of the Dough. What are you going to make from it? Is it going to be bread? Rolls? The Crust for a pizza? Crumpets? Possibilities are endless.

Then Oblvion and onward it became pretty standard and set (and boring in my opinion).

I can't recall if I was trying to make a point or not.

[fauxpas]

Originally posted by Ihateeverybody:

Originally posted by Altbert:

The lore of the Elder Scrolls is so weird because Bethesda's writers didn't take existing lore into consideration. Take Delphine as an example (also in another thread) who claims the Blades were dragonslayers, while the Blades were actually the bodyguards of the Dragonborn Emperors, and most probably never have seen a dragon prior to the events in Skyrim. You could probably find more of such inconsistencies.

I am quoting you but I am answering the class.

The earliest early lore was basicly (arena) was just a bunch of Tabletoppers making a game. Daggerfall lore is weird because it tries to blurr the line. 9/10ths of the "lore" in that game is fiction devised by NPC writers (its not meant to be factual).

Morrowind is really where the Lore begins. The idea that Multiple Endings of Daggerfall all took place simultaniously was a conceptual leap at the time. The lore surrounding Whitestrake is really telling. The mythic era is sold as this pre-history period where any conceivable combination of events took place.

Think of it as the mixing of the Dough. What are you going to make from it? Is it going to be bread? Rolls? The Crust for a pizza? Crumpets? Possibilities are endless.

Then Oblvion and onward it became pretty standard and set (and boring in my opinion).

I can't recall if I was trying to make a point or not.

Well, whether it was intentional or not what I heard was ... LONG LIVE KIRKBRIDE AND HIS DRUG DEALER! 🤪

[worm_master]

Coz BSOFT cant story! Story has never been a selling point of Bsoft, what sold was the freedom and openness of the games.