Anniversary Edition is better than mods

[Coffee]

Far more stable, don't spend 100s of hours following a guide letter by letter but it still is an unstable mess. And then if it IS stable, after modding so much it mostly becomes a NSFW screenshot "game" instead of actually playing the game as it was intended.

But if you ignore the NSFW mods, you still restart the process all over to spend another 100s of hours modding because you get too addicted to modding than actually playing the darn game

AE is amazing, tons of content, and outside of adding ENB, don't feel like the game needs any mods to make it fun and playable. It kinda cured my mod addiction actually, because now I don't feel like the need to waste 100s of hours of my life modding, only to play 10 hours or less and start over again. And (again) its vastly more stable than with a heavily modded setup anyway. With a heavily modded setup my fps was lucky to get 30, with just skyrim, AE and ENB, its always 60. No crashes either. Much better.

And yes I tried wabbajack, but the mod packs crashed or if stable, were too intensive and brought fps to 30 or less. No good.

Plus I like supporting the mod authors who made the mods :) Never had a problem with paid mods, dunno why its ever been an issue

(update)

Bethesda is allowed to update their own game.

Like EA keeps updating Sims and the mods just update

Rimworld

Stellaris

Most paradox games

Most games with mods

All update and mods get updated (or not)

Those who complain sound extremely entitled. I'd rather have "low tastes" (as some say, but I think the same of only those who keep complaining of graphics) than to have such entitlement to think a company shouldn't be allowed to update their own game

(update 2: I have played skyrim with mods in the past. And as I stated in a couple posts buried in the thread, I think some mods are decent. New lands are the best imo, because they usually add a TON of content and you don't find that in AE. Things like graphics mods don't add anything to the gameplay or make the game better. Unofficial patch changes unneeded things or/and adds things that isn't just bug fixes (as proven in posts buried in the thread). But some mods are good when they add actual good quality content...still love Elsweyr mods for oblivion and skyrim, because you never see elsweyr in singleplayer elder scrolls games.

[indy-anna]

Tomoko lähetti viestin:

indy-anna lähetti viestin:

I'm not spreading misinformation. My opinion is I like playing the CC and for me that is enough. I don't need free mods in my game. When I say that People think I saying don't mod but I'm not saying that.

No no no, you can't just change what you said like that - You said you "Agree with original poster", that means you agree with the sentiment he says. He said that AE is "better" than modded - Not that he "personally preferred" it as his opinion.

You said you agreed with a statement of fact - A statement that was WRONG, mind you. But now you're changing it to an opinion, so that you can't get in trouble with my rigid argument.

"LOL the child speaks, again with assumptions. I said For Me, I spoke only For Me. Deal with it."

Again, your lack of understanding of the English language rears its ugly head and does wonders to show how immature and utterly inept you are. You said you agreed with OP. OP said the game is "Better" than modded, which is categorically wrong. You are wrong. And now you're trying to change your mind and what you said. You can't do that, owe up to your mistakes.

Well I've argued enough times with my step son when he was 15 to know there is no sense in trying to make you see my point. Carry on.

[Tomoko]

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Tomoko lähetti viestin:

No no no, you can't just change what you said like that - You said you "Agree with original poster", that means you agree with the sentiment he says. He said that AE is "better" than modded - Not that he "personally preferred" it as his opinion.

You said you agreed with a statement of fact - A statement that was WRONG, mind you. But now you're changing it to an opinion, so that you can't get in trouble with my rigid argument.

"LOL the child speaks, again with assumptions. I said For Me, I spoke only For Me. Deal with it."

Again, your lack of understanding of the English language rears its ugly head and does wonders to show how immature and utterly inept you are. You said you agreed with OP. OP said the game is "Better" than modded, which is categorically wrong. You are wrong. And now you're trying to change your mind and what you said. You can't do that, owe up to your mistakes.

Well I've argued enough times with my step son when he was 15 to know there is no sense in trying to make you see my point. Carry on.

Your point is wrong. I'm starting to think you're the 15 year old step son, because nothing you say is even remotely making any sense in the real, rational world.

[Natasha]

Tell all you AE'ers what, let's take it to the next level since you really want all that "content", you can just "best of both worlds" and use Phoenix Flavour with AE if you really insist on using it, i tried it, found it completely redundant, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/57618

Download the "best of both worlds" patch your game with it and you can use AE with modpacks.

The only thing that changes is the gold dragon symbol icon (it goes back to silver) and AE buy now will be there in the menu, but it works. That way you can modpack AE.

There are mods that work with AE latest patch, but not enough for a modpack yet.

Skyrim Modding has been going stale before AE arrived, a lot of mods are abandoned because they no longer needed updates and so are the modders with them, that means that AE will have significantly less modding than Oldrim and SE.

How much we don't know yet that all depends on modders and their willingness to work with AE.

[Tomoko]

Empress lähetti viestin:

Tell all you AE'ers what, let's take it to the next level since you really want all that "content", you can just "best of both worlds" and use Phoenix Flavour with AE if you really insist on using it, i tried it, found it completely redundant, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/57618

Download the "best of both worlds" patch your game with it and you can use AE with modpacks.

The only thing that changes is the gold dragon symbol icon (it goes back to silver) and AE buy now will be there in the menu, but it works. That way you can modpack AE.

There are mods that work with AE latest patch, but not enough for a modpack yet.

I use pre-AE update with the new specific free AE content, and it works flawlessly. Modded and AE content, all in one - Making modded objectively better than AE. It's a lovely world we live in, but some refuse to seek those wonders.

[vonbleak]

This is such a silly argument/discussion - we all play Skyrim right...? Who cares if some one wants all the CC content or none of it - or is running the latest free update or still running the older SE build... WHO CARES! We all are playing Skyrim - A game i imagine we all really like... So arguing over whats the best way to play it seems pretty redundant as there has always been several options and each option is totally valid... Ffs guys haha

[UnholyDentist]

vonbleak lähetti viestin:

This is such a silly argument/discussion - we all play Skyrim right...? Who cares if some one wants all the CC content or none of it - or is running the latest free update or still running the older SE build... WHO CARES! We all are playing Skyrim - A game i imagine we all really like... So arguing over whats the best way to play it seems pretty redundant as there has always been several options and each option is totally valid... Ffs guys haha

There's a lot of false claims from OP, then many clueless individuals joined to that regiment, who are mainly clueless about modding, to support those claims. Understandably, many didn't like that, so they contradicted them, and then the usual dichotomy, insults, temper tantrums. Nothing special.

[Czerepach]

What a bunch of clowns...

[jonnan.west]

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That said, someone whom isn't really interested in modding (much) might still prefer the AE version.

However, I feel 20 bucks is too much. I've discussed this (endlessly, alas) in another thread, and I know some fanbois are never going to back off on this, but there's a distinction between *an subjective individual liking* to AE (or a mod for that matter), and actually looking at it more objectively and reasonably, like we ALL do when buying other stuff, like oranges or such. Which is by comparison.

What you normally do, to see if it's a bargain - as some have said the AE is - is look at how many oranges (aka: content) you COULD buy, at what price. Now, the content of any DLC is, of course, going to be smaller than the base game. This is normal and reasonable to expect. However, then the price should reflect that as well. If you bought 10 oranges at 10 dollars, then if the next time they offer two oranges for 5 dollar, this is simply *not* a bargain. Then some here will say: but what if you don't care about oranges at all, but just apples? Well... then id you bought 10 apples for 10 dollars, 2 apples for 5 dollars is a bargain *neither*. So it doesn't change anything. the "bucks for what you get" is not dependent one what you like, it's valid for whatever fruit you like.

And even worse is the "it's optional". Yes, I know. that's why I have no problem with it. I'm just saying it's too costly for what it is, compared to what you get in the base game. a normal price, when you compare it objectively, would be around 5 dollar - 7 max. so it's about 3-4 times too expensive.

Not that people can't squander away their own money as they see fit, of course. but it's doesn't change the fact it's overpriced for what it is. Just like 2 oranges for 5 dollar are overpriced, EVEN if some people buy them.

Ok, have you heard of The Phoenix Flavour 700 mods. ?

Here's how DIFFICULT it is to install it.

Clear install for old files (delete folder in Documents\mygames, install net 5.0, download modpack to HDD (need plenty of space) Put install and download paths like this E:\Modpackname and E:\Modpackname\install they should not direct to skyrim installation or wabbajack. Do not copy over skyrim installation, modpacks are portable standalone.

go into the folder, run the portable MO2 file that comes with all modpacks.

DONE!. You can add or remove mods from that list just remember to reinstall papyrus since its meant to be installed as the last thing so it overwrite all other mods in MO2, you find papyrus in the install folder, if not download 3.9 version of papyrus or latest and reinstall if you add mods.

DONE. 100% guaranteed to work everytime, The Phoenix Flavour is a vanilla true modpack with 700 mods, barely any graphichal, it's very dark and gritty perfect for low end systems and 1000x better than AE.

It only lacks survival mods, i added about 200 survival and gameplay mods on top of the 700.

Honestly that entirely ignores the ethics of modpacks and one guy getting credit for a bunch of other work.

[louveteau01]

honestly, if you think that creation club content is better than nexus, or more vast project that aim to create a whole game like for example skyblivion, well you don't know what a mod is and i think that you mostly either is the first option or you want attention

[Coffee]

louveteau01 lähetti viestin:

honestly, if you think that creation club content is better than nexus, or more vast project that aim to create a whole game like for example skyblivion, well you don't know what a mod is and i think that you mostly either is the first option or you want attention

Actually, I think skyblivion (and the similar mods for both oblivion and morrowind) are vastly superior. Like morrowind opens up the WHOLE continent+mods that add entire new landmasses

With that said, I think any new land mod is actually superior, as long as it adds quests and actual content to the land. This would be the only mods I'd add to the game, and the only ones I feel enhance the games so much.

Things like unofficial patch, combat overhauls, even graphics mods, all the body/clothing etc mods, while some are big, its all relative to if someone actually likes that/those particular mod(s) or not. Like all the ENB mods, everyone has their personal preference and some people don't like ENB at all.

[svdp]

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svdp lähetti viestin:

That said, someone whom isn't really interested in modding (much) might still prefer the AE version.

However, I feel 20 bucks is too much. I've discussed this (endlessly, alas) in another thread, and I know some fanbois are never going to back off on this, but there's a distinction between *an subjective individual liking* to AE (or a mod for that matter), and actually looking at it more objectively and reasonably, like we ALL do when buying other stuff, like oranges or such. Which is by comparison.

What you normally do, to see if it's a bargain - as some have said the AE is - is look at how many oranges (aka: content) you COULD buy, at what price. Now, the content of any DLC is, of course, going to be smaller than the base game. This is normal and reasonable to expect. However, then the price should reflect that as well. If you bought 10 oranges at 10 dollars, then if the next time they offer two oranges for 5 dollar, this is simply *not* a bargain. Then some here will say: but what if you don't care about oranges at all, but just apples? Well... then id you bought 10 apples for 10 dollars, 2 apples for 5 dollars is a bargain *neither*. So it doesn't change anything. the "bucks for what you get" is not dependent one what you like, it's valid for whatever fruit you like.

And even worse is the "it's optional". Yes, I know. that's why I have no problem with it. I'm just saying it's too costly for what it is, compared to what you get in the base game. a normal price, when you compare it objectively, would be around 5 dollar - 7 max. so it's about 3-4 times too expensive.

Not that people can't squander away their own money as they see fit, of course. but it's doesn't change the fact it's overpriced for what it is. Just like 2 oranges for 5 dollar are overpriced, EVEN if some people buy them.

Ok, have you heard of The Phoenix Flavour 700 mods. ?

Here's how DIFFICULT it is to install it.

Clear install for old files (delete folder in Documents\mygames, install net 5.0, download modpack to HDD (need plenty of space) Put install and download paths like this E:\Modpackname and E:\Modpackname\install they should not direct to skyrim installation or wabbajack. Do not copy over skyrim installation, modpacks are portable standalone.

go into the folder, run the portable MO2 file that comes with all modpacks.

DONE!. You can add or remove mods from that list just remember to reinstall papyrus since its meant to be installed as the last thing so it overwrite all other mods in MO2, you find papyrus in the install folder, if not download 3.9 version of papyrus or latest and reinstall if you add mods.

DONE. 100% guaranteed to work everytime, The Phoenix Flavour is a vanilla true modpack with 700 mods, barely any graphichal, it's very dark and gritty perfect for low end systems and 1000x better than AE.

It only lacks survival mods, i added about 200 survival and gameplay mods on top of the 700.

Thank you for the unabashed promotion of that modpack, which, alas, was completely irrelevant to what I was saying.

[Micheal]

To you brave souls who venture into Skyrim without the unofficial Skyrim patch , you are a braver soul than I.

And look, I get that modding can be tedious , hard and down right infuriating . But it’s got a lot easier with things like Wabbajack, I got Living Skyrim setup in about 30mins (non inclusive of download time) and let me tell you I am no expert in mod installing.

I’m super happy more content has come for those who just want to run the game and explore new stuff, that was me in my early days when I played on Xbox360. But Skyrim is quite old now, and a lot of the community is so far past creation content that we can’t look back.

[Alucard †]

Micheal lähetti viestin:

To you brave souls who venture into Skyrim without the unofficial Skyrim patch , you are a braver soul than I.

It's not that bad once you played Skyrim so many times that you know what to expect , when to expect and how to avoid / workaround the potiential bugs.

The CCs from AE are an unknown territory for me however.
So i am as careful as ever. Vanilla bugs tho .. meh i know mostly how to deal with those.

[svdp]

USSEP is certainly a useful one. SKYUI was another one.

That said, if one doesn't want ANY hassle with going to another site, installing a manager, choosing and downloading and activating mods, I can still see why *some* people may prefer AE. My criticism of AE pertains more about the fact that it's overpriced, however.

[SpeedFreak1972]

Kind of stupid thread I mean you can AE with all CC as well .... it's not that you can't use mods in AE