i have a theory that probably no one will agree with i guess..

[dopugsnotdrugs]

i believe that the dwemer turned into the falmer, meaning, the dwarves/dwemer never disappeared, they literally evolved to be blind and pale and lost all their hair kinda like a smeagol gollum transformation :)

think about it. dwemer go down, falmer come back up.. dwemer were in dwemer cities, now falmer are in dwemer ruins..

dwemer, falmer, both mer......... ya know like "of men and mer"........

oooo serana your hand is so cold in my loincloth uwu

[Mephitic]

The Dawnguard quest line explains that the Falmer are mutated Snow Elves. The remaining two Snow Elves calls them The Betrayed,

Originally posted by https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Knight-Paladin_Gelebor:

Following the war with the Atmorans, most of his race was either wiped out or forced into hiding. Eventually, many of his kin took refuge with the Dwemer, a subterranean race of mer. The Chantry itself was quite isolated, so much of the worldly affairs occurring in Skyrim passed them by. Only about a hundred or so Snow Elves remained within the Chantry, by the time the Snow Elves of Skyrim and Solstheim were hunted to extinction, but the Chantry managed to remain a secret to both the Dwemer and the Atmorans for many years.[1]

Ironically, their downfall came from Falmer; the twisted race into which their fellow Snow Elves, those who had taken refuge with the Dwemer, had devolved. The Falmer eventually discovered Gelebor and the remaining followers of Auri-El, and swarmed the Chantry in vast numbers until they were completely overrun. Gelebor led a small group of paladins, but they were no match for the Falmers' sheer numbers. The Falmer even found a way to breach the Inner Sanctum, where Gelebor's brother, the Arch-Curate, resided. In the end, Gelebor and his brother were the only two Snow Elves who survived.

[R4ndomG4mer]

I mean this as respectfully as possible, but this doesn't even qualify as a theory, it's a poorly thought out fanfic at best.
Firstly, it's a known fact that the Dwemer performed experiments on the Falmer, which contributed to them becoming feral creatures. The exact details of what the Dwemer did aren't known, but there are several theories about it. What IS known, is that
after the 500 original companions began exterminating the ancient Falmer, they (the Falmer) sought refuge with the Dwemer, and from there, the Falmer were either tricked into allowing the experimentation, or were forced to participate.

Secondly, if you help Arniel at the College of Winterhold, he tries to recreate what the Dwemer did, and he ends up becoming a ghost that you can summon to help during battle. I doubt his little experiment is exactly what happened to the Dwemer, but it's similar enough to suggest that whatever the Dwemer did, it didn't physically change them.

Even with just these pieces of info, it disproves your notion that the Dwemer became the Falmer. Because, firstly, the Falmer were already becoming the feral creatures you see in-game, even when the Dwemer were still around. Secondly, whatever DID happen to the Dwemer, it likely wasn't anything physical, but something to do with their souls/spirits.

[KidNamed Chalmers]

I will put this as plainly as possible; you are wrong

[dopugsnotdrugs]

ow you guys are savage :)

[Skumboni]

What aL said.

[Nabinkemper]

The disappearance of the Dwemer is theorized to be caused by Lord Kagrenac who developed a set of legendary tools (Wraithguard, Keening, and Sunder) while he worked deep within the Red Mountain on an ancient artifact of the gods, the Heart of Lorkan (also known as Shor).

In his arrogance, he sought to transcend mortal life becoming like a god and granting the people immortality. Through his continued work chipping away at the surface of the Heart, which bestowed great magical powers on the people, a single strike against it caused all of the Dwemer society to immediately vanish. Some speculate that Azura herself may have had a hand in their disappearance. Others say that they were instantly absorbed and inevitably power the great colossus Numidium.

There is some speculation that the Dwemer were cast forward along the stream of time many thousands of years into the future.

There is a hint at their fate in Elder Scrolls III - Morrowind:
"In Morrowind, the Nerevarine meets Yagrum Bagarn, who is now plagued with Corprus and and confined to a modified Dwemer centurion spider. "I think Kagrenac might have succeeded in granting our race eternal life, with unforeseen consequences, such has wholesale displacement to an Outer Realm.""


https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Kagrenac

https://gamerant.com/the-elder-scrolls-morrowind-dwemer-disappearance-theories-aedra/

[Nabinkemper]

Originally posted by dopugsnotdrugs:

dwemer, falmer, both mer......... ya know like "of men and mer"........

By the way, all elves and their kin are known as 'mer.'
High Elves - Altmer
Wood Elves - Bosmer
Orcs - Orsimer
Snow Elves (and the devolved 'Betrayed') - Falmer
Dwarves - Dwemer

EDIT: Almost forgot the Dark Elves - Dunmer

[Junipercat]

Originally posted by dopugsnotdrugs:

i believe that the dwemer turned into the falmer, meaning, the dwarves/dwemer never disappeared, they literally evolved to be blind and pale and lost all their hair kinda like a smeagol gollum transformation :)

Dwemer gave sanctuary to the Snow Elves. But they are very secretive about their technology and so in line with their cruelty required the entire race to be chemically blinded (so from birth).

Over time from their enslavement and attempted rebellion (when the Dwemer had disappeared), the Snow Elves became the Falmer. They are further removed from the
Snow Elves their ancestors were far more than Smeagol/Gollum was to Hobbits. Think of him within a generation or two of what happened and the Falmer countless generations after what happened to their race.

Lot of lore in the game if you look for it.

[theo]

Aside from in-universe narrative sources that can be argued against and interpreted differently, there is a lot of hard evidence that contradicts this theory.
For instance we literally have the last living dwemer and the last living unchanged falmer in TES games. They're clearly different races

[SpeedFreak1972]

Also a little thing Dwemer weren't only present in Skyrim yet there aren't any Falmer outside Skyrim care to explain that? Heck in Morrowind as said you can meet a LIVING Dwemer

[Neo]

You obviously were not paying any attention to the story when you were playing. The falmer are the snow elves. You don't need to create theories about the lore because TES lore goes into insane detail about almost everything.

The missing dwemer is also fully explained if you actually read the lore. Read up about the heart of Lorkhan.

"Sometime in the First Era, the Dwemer discovered the heart while excavating under Red Mountain. Kagrenac, the Chief Tonal Architect and High Priest of the Dwemer began to experiment with the Heart. He created three tools: Keening, Sunder and Wraithguard to work with the heart. He would soon order the construction of the Numidium, a massive mechanical golem. He hoped to use the Heart as a power source for extracting the divine power from the Heart and in the experiments for improving the Dwemer race.[5]

This plan was interrupted by the arrival of Indoril Nerevar, his generals (Vivec, Almalexia, Sotha Sil, and Voryn Dagoth), and an army of Chimer. Nerevar and Dagoth fought the Dwemer king and Kagrenac in the heart chamber beneath Red Mountain. When the Dwemer were bested in combat, Kagrenac used the tools on the heart, and the entire Dwemer race vanished"

So it's not a matter of people not agreeing with you, you're just wrong. The lore literally tells you what happened.

[Neo]

Originally posted by SpeedFreak1972:

Also a little thing Dwemer weren't only present in Skyrim yet there aren't any Falmer outside Skyrim care to explain that? Heck in Morrowind as said you can meet a LIVING Dwemer

You are referring to Yagrum Bagarn, he survived the heart of lorkhan event because he was not on Nirn at the time. Just read the lore and see for yourself.

Also it make sense the Falmer are found in Skyrim, Skyrim is where the snow elves are actually from, they fought the Nords in a huge war and they ended up losing. The Dwemer took them in as refugees but ended up betraying their trust and enslaving them under ground. They were fed a toxic fungi which slowly turned them blind.

[BrokiNogin]

Originally posted by Nabinkemper:

Originally posted by dopugsnotdrugs:

dwemer, falmer, both mer......... ya know like "of men and mer"........

By the way, all elves and their kin are known as 'mer.'
High Elves - Altmer
Wood Elves - Bosmer
Orcs - Orsimer
Snow Elves (and the devolved 'Betrayed') - Falmer
Dwarves - Dwemer

EDIT: Almost forgot the Dark Elves - Dunmer

Well, Chimer/Dunmer. They got cursed too and turned from looking like Altmer to being ash grey. Vivek is Half and half.

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by dopugsnotdrugs:

i believe that the dwemer turned into the falmer, meaning, the dwarves/dwemer never disappeared, they literally evolved to be blind and pale and lost all their hair kinda like a smeagol gollum transformation :)

think about it. dwemer go down, falmer come back up.. dwemer were in dwemer cities, now falmer are in dwemer ruins..

dwemer, falmer, both mer......... ya know like "of men and mer"........

Not a theory, a theory has a body of evidence to support it, this has two coincidences, as such I will generously label it a theorem....

And saying Dwemer and Falmer are both Mer, is like saying Nords and Redguards are both Men....

Dwemer and Falmer are not the same, the lore contradicts you outright on this theorem.

[wawawiwa]

i don't see any falmer with jolly tummy and cool dwemer prosthetic in there

so, no, you are wrong. dwemer pretty much like gnome from pathfinder, but instead going to lower plane they go to higher one

there character who go to different dimension and claim to see dwemer. forgot whom