About Jeremy Soule's accussations.

[T佬]

It's 2024, yet the case that Jeremy Soule was involved in is still in mystery. Also, info is very scarce online with almost no new discussions or updates.

Moreover, the development of TES 6 is already underway, maybe new composers have been designated. So it seems like there's little chance for Soule to recover his reputation and come back to normal life this year.

Can someone share some new clues about this issue plz? What the hell is going on right now?

[Catalyst]

who and the what

[Zero McDol]

Whoa, now that's a name that I haven't heard of in a few years.

edit:
Nope, I don't know of anything. After the allegations, that was it, he's been gone ever-since.

[Zero McDol]

Originally posted by Catalyst:

who and the what

Here's a sample of his music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odnzyU9Yh0A

[Nabinkemper]

Allegations were made on social media and no reports of an actual legal investigation. Since the person making the accusations was mad about not receiving what they thought was contracted payment prior to being fired from their position, I would take any reports with a grain of salt.

Remember, accusation doesn't automatically mean the person is guilty. Everyone is capable of lying.

OP, you are better off not posting more gossip about the years-old accusations as this could lead to the post being locked.

[Madison Avenue]

Soule is the best composer I have ever heard by a huge margin. What a shame to lose such talent.

[psychotron666]

Even without the accusations, he was never gonna be a part of tes 6. Before all that, he sued Bethesda for having a music of Skyrim orchestra concert because he wasn't in charge of it.

Howard Shore doesn't sue the LOTR music by orchestra concerts. The Simpsons doesn't sue the random Philharmonic orchestras for playing the Simpsons theme song

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

Originally posted by psychotron666:

Even without the accusations, he was never gonna be a part of tes 6. Before all that, he sued Bethesda for having a music of Skyrim orchestra concert because he wasn't in charge of it.

Howard Shore doesn't sue the LOTR music by orchestra concerts. The Simpsons doesn't sue the random Philharmonic orchestras for playing the Simpsons theme song

Oh, yikes. Well...sometimes creative types just lack what you and I would consider common sense. RIP his career, nobody is going to want to work with a litigious type.

[westrud]

I guarantee when orchestras play LOTR music or Simpsons music, somebody is getting paid, otherwise there would be lawsuits. Profiting off of copyrighted music without permission is a big no no, just ask any youtuber.

Whether or not this guy had enough ownership of the music he created to make any legal claims against Bethesda I don't know.

[psychotron666]

Originally posted by westrud:

I guarantee when orchestras play LOTR music or Simpsons music, somebody is getting paid, otherwise there would be lawsuits. Profiting off of copyrighted music without permission is a big no no, just ask any youtuber.

Whether or not this guy had enough ownership of the music he created to make any legal claims against Bethesda I don't know.

Not really, there's a thing called covers. You can cover other people's music and as long as you credit them there isn't an issue. That's how the original guitar hero video game got around the licensing rights for the music in the game, because they just covered all the songs themselves. Or why YouTubers can cover others' songs and make money off them (they only get in trouble on YouTube if they use clips from the actual copyrighted song itself, not if they recreate/cover the song themselves).

And in this case, Bethesda also owns the licensing rights to the music in their games. It was part of the deal they made with soule who seemed to forget that.

Hence why his lawsuit didn't go anywhere and nothing came of it except him losing his work with Bethesda

[FauxFurry]

The accusations have already done their job as is usually the case with social media accusations in the entertainment industry. He is removed from the equation and a vacancy is left for composer for the Elder Scrolls series.

[psychotron666]

Originally posted by FauxFurry:

The accusations have already done their job as is usually the case with social media accusations in the entertainment industry. He is removed from the equation and a vacancy is left for composer for the Elder Scrolls series.

Except as pointed out above, he was already out from Bethesda before those accusations were a thing for a different unrelated reason.

[Sil3nc3r-]

I'm not sure about the accussations. This Woman writes 10% of Soule, than 80% of work and dont beeing paid, and then again 10% soule. I think from the text i wouldn't believe her. The only thing that proofs that this could be true is, that soule is a ghost since then. Still i love most of his musical works, especially the GW2 stuff

[Fear2288]

From what I have read, it’s hard to say whether or not the accusations against him are true.

In 2019, we were in the thick of the #MeToo movement, Cancel Culture was on the rise, and GamerGate was still somewhat recent.

One thing that could give you some perspective on cases like this is to look at who the accused is, what the accuser could gain from making such allegations, and how both behave after the accusations have been made.

Wealthy, influential, and/or powerful men are the most likely to be targets of false accusations because the accuser is hoping to get their 15 minutes of fame and more importantly some “just shut up money”.

Soule wasn’t one of these kind of men. He’s got some good credits to his name and he’s a talented composer, but he’s no Howard Shore, Bear McCreary, Ramin Djawadi, Tyler Bates, or John Williams.

Nathalie Lawhead - the first accuser - really had nothing to gain by making these claims. She wasn’t going to get a large payout, and Soule wasn’t famous enough that making such allegations would boost her exposure.

There’s also the fact that following these accusations, Soule seems to have chosen to lay low and has largely retreated from the public eye.

In my opinion, thats not the behavior of someone wrongfully accused of a serious crime that tarnishes their character and is disastrous for their career.

Thats the behavior of someone who’s guilty and is hoping to keep their head down, evade being taken to court, and is trying to wait until everybody forgets about it so they can come back.

However, as far as I’m aware, Soule was never taken to court or paid a settlement, he was never convicted of anything.

[alexander_dougherty]

This isn't the place for this discussion.
It has nothing to do with the game, and this is a games forum, not social media.

[Fear2288]

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

This isn't the place for this discussion.
It has nothing to do with the game, and this is a games forum, not social media.

While this is true, the OP is curious about what happened to the guy and whether or not he’s involved with the soundtrack of TESVI (and if not, who has replaced him).

Good places to ask such questions are those where fans of the series tend to frequent as the likelihood that they know more about the game and the people involved in its creation is higher than speaking into the ether that is “General Discussion”.

As long as the topic doesn’t get multiple reports or turn into flaming and personal attacks, I see no reason for it to be locked/deleted.