Crash in Winterhold? Outside of the College?

[DestinySlayer96]

So, while testing out some mods, I on a whim decided to start a fresh game via coc Whiterun, to be certain the mods didn't insta-crash me to the desktop.

All seemed to be going well. I wasn't noticing any real issues as I ran around outside Whiterun hold.

But then I got it in my brain to travel to Winterhold. I hopped onto the back of a carriage, arrived in Winterhold, and walked around for a small bit.

However, as soon as I approached the College and spoke to the woman outside, I got partway through the dialogue when the game CTD.

I'm assuming a mod is at fault. At first, I thought Missives was to blame, because I noticed several ERROR: Missives [insert mission name I can't remember here] Failed to Start right before the crash occurred.

But also, right after those in the log, were the following lines:

[CGO] NPC spell dispelled on [Insert Character Name Here]
[CGO] NPC spell dispelled on [Insert Character Name Here]

^ I put the generic spot for the character names because I can't remember what the names actually were, but I do know at least one was an Interesting NPC character.

The crash happened twice with similar results. I removed Missives from my load order, then returned it (reinstalling), and the crash didn't happen a third time, so now I'm wondering whether something else is causing the crash? And since the common theme seems to be that it doesn't happen until I talk to the mage standing outside the college, I'm not certain it's actually Missives or CGO's fault. The third time (when it didn't crash), I tcled my character past her and went up to the college with no issues, then went back to her and went through the dialogue with no issues, so the crashing seems to be random?

Here's my load order, if it helps:

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
6 6 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
7 7 3DNPC.esp
254 FE 0 RealisticWaterTwo - Resources.esm
8 8 Campfire.esm
9 9 Falskaar.esm
10 a EFFCore.esm
11 b SkyUI_SE.esp
12 c SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
254 FE 1 3DNPC0.esp
13 d EFFDialogue.esp
14 e iNeed.esp
15 f iNeed - Dangerous Diseases.esp
16 10 iNeed - Extended.esp
17 11 Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp
18 12 SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp
19 13 MrissiTailOfTroubles.esp
20 14 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
21 15 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
22 16 Holidays.esp
23 17 EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp
24 18 Wintersun - Faiths of Skyrim.esp
25 19 0Kaidan.esp
26 1a Tentapalooza.esp
27 1b Dwarfsphere.esp
28 1c zMirai.esp
29 1d Morning Fogs SSE.esp
30 1e Cloaks.esp
31 1f Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
32 20 Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp
33 21 OBIS SE.esp
34 22 DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp
35 23 Inigo.esp
36 24 MilkSSE.esp
37 25 018Auri.esp
38 26 Immersive Patrols II.esp
39 27 Frostfall.esp
40 28 DiverseWerewolvesCollection.esp
41 29 MoreWerewolves.esp
42 2a Convenient Horses.esp
43 2b 018InigoBanterPatch.esp
44 2c 3PCO.esp
45 2d AchieveThat_SE_en.esp
46 2e AMatterOfTime.esp
47 2f AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp
48 30 Differently Ebony.esp
49 31 Combat Evolved.esp
50 32 Immersive Weapons.esp
51 33 aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp
52 34 HothFollower.esp
53 35 iNeed-Milk_USSEP_patch.esp
54 36 notice board.esp
55 37 Faallokaar.esp
56 38 Missives.esp
57 39 garm_companion.esp
58 3a Lucien.esp
59 3b Maelstrom.esp
60 3c Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
61 3d BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
62 3e Black Mage Armor SE.esp
63 3f Blaze Of Eventide.esp
254 FE 2 CH FAL.esp
64 40 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
65 41 EBT - IC PATCH.esp
66 42 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
67 43 DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
68 44 DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp
69 45 DustEffectsSSE.esp
70 46 Footprints.esp
71 47 FireBurns.esp
72 48 FranklyHDImperialArmorsAndWeapons.esp
254 FE 3 HD Lods SSE.esp
73 49 hmkLockOn.esp
74 4a icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp
75 4b iHUD.esp
76 4c imp_helm_legend.esp
77 4d imp_helm_Immersive_Armors.esp
78 4e imp_helm_USSEP.esp
79 4f Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp
80 50 MoonlightTalesMCM.esp
81 51 NoRadialBlur.esp
82 52 PickUpBooksSimple.esp
83 53 PumpingIron.esp
84 54 Real Feeding V3.esp
85 55 RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Unsorted.esp
86 56 UIExtensions.esp
87 57 UltimateCombat.esp
88 58 beltfastenedquivers.esp
89 59 Walklikeanormalperson.esp
90 5a WetandCold.esp
91 5b DSerCombatGameplayOverhaul.esp
254 FE 4 3DNPCEFF.esp
92 5c Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
93 5d Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
94 5e Sacrosanct - Vampires of Skyrim.esp
95 5f Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
96 60 RealisticWaterTwo.esp


And here are my other mods, not sorted by LOOT (in the priority order I have them in):

1. Sovngarde – Mist’s Font Replacer
2. Improved Camera
3. Camfire and Frostfall - Unofficial SSE Update
4. Address Library for SKSE Plugins
5. PapyrusUtil SE – Modders Scripting Utility Functions
6. powerofthree’s Papyrus Extender for SSE
7. Classic Start Menu – No Creation Club – No Mods Menu
8. Endless Firewood – Chop Forever
9. Quiet Dog
10. Follower Trap Safety
11. Werewolf Feral Beast Run
12. Immersive Dragons
13. Alternate Conversation Camera
14. Better Dialogue Controls
15. Smooth Running Animations
16. Belt-Fastened Quivers Support
17. SSE Fixes
18. SSE Engine Fixes (skse64 plugin)
19. Noble Skyrim Mod HD - @K
20. aMidianBorn Book of Silence – Creatures
21. aMidianBorn Book of Silence – Dragonborn
22. Rustic Clothing – Special Edition
23. Frankly HD Thieves Guild Armors
24. Frankly HD Dawnguard Armor and Weapons
25. Frankly HD Shrouded Armor
26. Rustic Frostbite Spider – Special Edition
27. Rustic Death Hound and Gargoyle – Special Edition
28. Rustic Dragon Corpse – Special Edition
29. Ultimate HD Fire Effects SSE
30. HQ Tree Bark
31. NSM – SMIM Patch
32. Ruins Clutter Improved SE
33. Enhanced Textures Detail (UV-tweaks)
34. Nemesis
35. Nemesis Output (For Ultimate Combat, Combat Gameplay Overhaul, and Archery Gameplay Overhaul)
36. SSEMerged
37. Bashed Patch

Are any of the above mods known to cause issues in Winterhold?

Many thanks for any help. It's appreciated.

[DestinySlayer96]

I was able to more or less recreate the logs today for when Skyrim crashed in Winterhold (the CGO ones aren't the exact same and there's more of them, but are pretty close):

[07/17/2020 - 02:39:28PM] Missives: Update Trigger Triggered
[07/17/2020 - 02:39:31PM] Missives: Starting Quest 0:[_M_QuestCourierScript <_M_QuestWinterholdCourierLetterLow (39011CEE)>], in Quest List: [FormList < (39009470)>]
[07/17/2020 - 02:39:32PM] Missives: Failed to Start Quest 1:[_M_QuestCourierScript <_M_QuestWinterholdCourierWeaponLow (39012859)>], in Quest List: [FormList < (39009470)>]
[07/17/2020 - 02:39:33PM] Missives: Failed to Start Quest 4:[_M_QuestGatherScript <_M_QuestWinterholdGatherOreLow (390149DD)>], in Quest List: [FormList < (39009470)>]
[07/17/2020 - 02:39:34PM] Missives: Failed to Start Quest 7:[_M_QuestCourierScript <_M_QuestWinterholdCourierPotionLow (3903AE59)>], in Quest List: [FormList < (39009470)>]
[07/17/2020 - 02:39:35PM] Missives: Starting Quest 5:[_M_QuestKillScript <_M_QuestWinterholdKillAnimal (39016B18)>], in Quest List: [FormList < (3900946F)>]
[07/17/2020 - 02:39:35PM] Missives: Failed to Start Quest 6:[_M_QuestRetrieveScript <_M_QuestWinterholdRetrieveWilderness (3901766C)>], in Quest List: [FormList < (3900946F)>]
[07/17/2020 - 02:39:36PM] Missives: Failed to Start Quest 8:[_M_QuestTrackVampire <_M_QuestWinterholdTrackVampire (390382F0)>], in Quest List: [FormList < (3900946F)>]
[07/17/2020 - 02:39:36PM] Missives: Failed to Start Quest 3:[_M_QuestGatherScript <_M_QuestWinterholdGatherOreHigh (39014451)>], in Quest List: [FormList < (3900946D)>]
[07/17/2020 - 02:39:37PM] Missives: Quests Updated
[07/17/2020 - 02:39:38PM] [CGO] NPC spell dispelled on Korir
[07/17/2020 - 02:39:39PM] [CGO] NPC spell dispelled on Assur
[07/17/2020 - 02:40:05PM] [CGO] NPC spell dispelled on Birna
[07/17/2020 - 02:40:27PM] [CGO] NPC spell dispelled on Vigram
[07/17/2020 - 02:40:33PM] [CGO] NPC spell dispelled on Qa'Dojo
[07/17/2020 - 02:40:44PM] [CGO] NPC spell dispelled on Colette Marence

However, once again, the game didn't crash upon arriving in Winterhold via the carriage. I recreated my steps (though waited a little longer before actually approaching Colette) and it didn't crash, so maybe the two crashes in a row were a fluke?

[Hyen《A》 ♧]

I see you have Realistic Water. That one is pretty infamous for causing crashes at Winterhold. That said though it may be unrelated so you may be having a mod conflict between Missives and some other mod. Hell, maybe Missive is outdated even, assuming it is SKSE-dependent.

[DestinySlayer96]

Originally posted by Hyen《A》♧:

I see you have Realistic Water. That one is pretty infamous for causing crashes at Winterhold.

Oh, that's a shame! Do you have any suggestions for a less crash-prone water mod I could use instead? I've been playing the game for several hours now without issues with either Missives or CGO, so I could fully believe Realistic Waters to be the culprit :(

[Hyen《A》 ♧]

Originally posted by amberjeanwolfe:

Oh, that's a shame! Do you have any suggestions for a less crash-prone water mod I could use instead? I've been playing the game for several hours now without issues with either Missives or CGO, so I could fully believe Realistic Waters to be the culprit :(

That may be so but I suggest to at least test the game without Realistic Water first. Because I may be wrong here and it could have been another mod after all.

But if Realistic Water turns out to be the culprit, I can suggest using ENB Water. I don't know if it's better looking than Realistic Water or not but it does come with patches for any mods it has conflicts with, which if installed properly, doesn't crash your game when approaching Winterhold. And my game hasn't crashed in Winterhold since I installed this mod instead of Realistic Water.

[DestinySlayer96]

Originally posted by Hyen《A》♧:

That may be so but I suggest to at least test the game without Realistic Water first.

I just removed Realistic Waters from my load order and coced to Winterhold (with both Missives and CGO on, as well as all my other mods) and the game didn't crash. Talked to Collete (where both crashes took place) them godmoded and ran around Winterhold's wilderness, fighting wolves and such, without any crashing for about twelve minutes, so I'm going to assume it was my water mod.

Thanks for the help! I appreciate it :)

[Hyen《A》 ♧]

No problem. Trust me I was just as frustrated when I couldn't find out what the cause was the first time I got it and had to detect the culprit through trial and error.

[DestinySlayer96]

Originally posted by Hyen《A》♧:

No problem. Trust me I was just as frustrated when I couldn't find out what the cause was the first time I got it and had to detect the culprit through trial and error.

I really do appreciate the help! I'm glad it was figured out now rather than later, since removing Realistic Waters seems to have borked my current save (any attempts to save causes an instant CTD, boo). I was only thirteen hours into the playthrough, so I guess it's not too big a deal. I'm willing to start over. Just a little frustrating, lol.

[Hyen《A》 ♧]

Originally posted by amberjeanwolfe:

I really do appreciate the help! I'm glad it was figured out now rather than later, since removing Realistic Waters seems to have borked my current save (any attempts to save causes an instant CTD, boo). I was only thirteen hours into the playthrough, so I guess it's not too big a deal. I'm willing to start over. Just a little frustrating, lol.

Yeah but like you said, better now than later. Have fun!

[DestinySlayer96]

Originally posted by Hyen《A》♧:

Yeah but like you said, better now than later. Have fun!

Thanks! I'll certainly try to :D