Ithelia

[Fear2288]

What do you think the chances are that they debuted a brand new Daedric Prince (Ithelia) in ESO as a warm up for TESVI?

Possessing knowledge of all possible alternate realities, having the power to unweave fate, and her being such a threat to Hermaeus Mora that he resolved to wipe her from the memory of all mortals and gods (including himself) indicates that she’s kinda a big deal…too big of a deal to just be relegated to an ESO expansion and that’s it.

Mora played the biggest role of all the Daedric Princes in Skyrim, and the main story itself revolved around messing about with time and reality and the threat of Alduin literally bringing reality to an end.

Now with the introduction of this Ithelia in ESO, it makes me wonder if this is a sort of “preview” of what’s to come in TESVI. If Ithelia will be the main antagonist, and we’ll be adventuring through different alternate realities of the TES timeline in order to stop whatever plans she has.

Thoughts?

[Skumboni]

Guess in one hand and take a dump in the hand, and see which one fills up first.

[Rez Elwin]

I doubt she'll have anything to do with ES6, it she'll even be in the game to begin with. The main Antagonist in ES6 with be the Thalmor, and the main Story will be about stopping them.

ESO is second Era, is she came back yet does not appear in these later games, then it means Mora must end up defeating her and erasing her again before the events of the other Elder Scroll games.

[Fear2288]

Originally posted by Rez Elwin:

I doubt she'll have anything to do with ES6, it she'll even be in the game to begin with. The main Antagonist in ES6 with be the Thalmor, and the main Story will be about stopping them.

ESO is second Era, is she came back yet does not appear in these later games, then it means Mora must end up defeating her and erasing her again before the events of the other Elder Scroll games.

I think you’re putting too much faith in the idea that TESVI will be a continuation of Skyrim’s events.

Every game BGS has made in the TES and FO franchise has stood on its own, and while they may feature references to things in past titles, easter eggs, or the current events having some kind of far removed connection to those past events - the current game’s storyline usually doesn’t feature hard links and direct continuation’s of the previous entry.

I’d put money on the Thalmor/Third Aldermi Dominion being gone by the time TESVI takes place.

During the events of Skyrim, it’s a little known secret that the Dominion is actually just as beat up as the Empire. They’re dealing with their own rebellion of sorts in Valenwood as the Bosmer are becoming increasingly resistant to Dominion rule. It’s only a matter of time until the Khajiit figure out that the Thalmor had nothing to do with restoring the moons. And iirc there’s references to a growing number of Aldmer who are becoming disillusioned with the Thalmor-controlled government in the Summerset Isles.

By the time TESVI takes place the Thalmor will be ousted from power, Skyrim’s Civil War will be over, the Empire either will or will not still be a thing, and the Dragonborn will have disappeared under mysterious circumstances.

[alexander_dougherty]

Ithelia is just for ESO, she probably won'y have an artifact in TES6, and definitely won't be in the game as anything more than a mention (or maybe a side quest)

[Ihateeverybody]

They did the same thing with Jigglebelly in Shivering Isles. There is this long lost Daedra Prince that we never mentioned or alluded too before.....then they will disapeer and never be mentioned again. So badass the other DPs combined forces to ...sound familiar?

Anythings possible, but I doubt they will crossover. They have too many as it stands and they never get used.

Time to kill some off and Consolodate. That could be your plotline. Daedric Realms being reorganized. Who will be left standing. Only the Player can decide. For they are the Glueborn.

[Fear2288]

Interesting that Starfield introduces a New Game+ mechanic revolving around traveling to another reality/parallel universe each time…then ESO debuts a new Daedric Prince whose whole schtick involves alternate realities and parallel universes…

Some seem confident that SF’s space ship gameplay and customization strongly hints at the possibility of naval/airship gameplay and customization in TESVI.

Could be possible that SF’s NG+ feature will make its way into TESVI as well, and Ithelia will be the means by which it’s possible within the lore. They just rolled her out ahead of time via ESO to introduce her, establish her lore, and familiarize TES fans with her before integrating her into the mainline series via TESVI - either as a major role in the storyline or otherwise.

[vee-kay]

Moot discussion since Todd/Bethesda will still be selling Skyrim for at least 2 more decades, and TES-VI is a pipe dream that won't become reality till 2040. By then there would be innumerable expansions to ESO and tons of archvillains and gods added to the lore, so any or all of them could feature as central or secondary or peripheral lore in TES-VI,

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by Ihateeverybody:

Time to kill some off and Consolodate

You can't kill off immortal Daedric Princes.... Neutralise them for a time, but you can't kill off immortal spirits, mainly because they have never lived as we understand it.

I know ESO introduced a way to destroy Daedra, by removing them from the timestream, which was idiotic, the planes of oblivion exist outside of time, which only exists (according to TES lore) on the plane of Mundus.... OK you have removed a clan of Daedra (except one somehow) from ever having existed in time... despite the fact Daedra only exist in time when summoned to Nirn..... and Time is meaningless to them.... well done writers

Anyway the point is you can neutralise them, marginalise them, and stop them getting involved in the mortal world, but you can't kill what are eternal spirits who have never incarnated.

[Rez Elwin]

Originally posted by Fear2288:

I think you’re putting too much faith in the idea that TESVI will be a continuation of Skyrim’s events.

Every game BGS has made in the TES and FO franchise has stood on its own, and while they may feature references to things in past titles, easter eggs, or the current events having some kind of far removed connection to those past events - the current game’s storyline usually doesn’t feature hard links and direct continuation’s of the previous entry.

I’d put money on the Thalmor/Third Aldermi Dominion being gone by the time TESVI takes place.

During the events of Skyrim, it’s a little known secret that the Dominion is actually just as beat up as the Empire. They’re dealing with their own rebellion of sorts in Valenwood as the Bosmer are becoming increasingly resistant to Dominion rule. It’s only a matter of time until the Khajiit figure out that the Thalmor had nothing to do with restoring the moons. And iirc there’s references to a growing number of Aldmer who are becoming disillusioned with the Thalmor-controlled government in the Summerset Isles.

By the time TESVI takes place the Thalmor will be ousted from power, Skyrim’s Civil War will be over, the Empire either will or will not still be a thing, and the Dragonborn will have disappeared under mysterious circumstances.

There was never an overarching threat that was not dealt with before. In every game you solved the major threat and save the world, the Thalmor are still threatening the world.

Most games do not have major jumps in time either. Arena to Oblivon is 34 years, it's only from Oblivon to Skyrim that makes a huge leap.

I don't know what BS excuse they will give for the Dragonbron being absent, but I really expect to fight against the Thalmor.

They have not taken over Hammerfell yet by the time of Skyrim, and that is where ES6 is going to take place.

Their weakening power might play a role in their downfall in the game. If you defeat them, strike a massive blow to their military might it would give others a chance to fight back.

This is Bethesda though, I may be giving them too much credit, there writing has not been decent for a long time. They need to hire some fans who are writers and know their lore better than they do.

[Fear2288]

There is no confirmation that TESVI is going to take place in Hammerfell.

That theory is based off the 2018 teaser trailer where fans speculated that the seemingly Mediterranean-looking landscape could be part of High Rock or Hammerfell, or that the game would take place in areas of both and be set in the Iliac Bay region.

BGS stated not long ago that they created that teaser at a time when there were 0 decisions made about TESVI’s setting and little-no-work done for it. They just wanted to appease fans and solidify Microsoft’s interest in purchasing them, with an “official” confirmation that a TESVI was coming.

Some online sites keep referring to it as TESVI: Hammerfell, or claim that the game will take place there, but it’s all speculation based on very little information and no actual facts.

As for the Thalmor, you’re inflating their significance.

They’re not that powerful, or that much of a threat. A big part of their strategy at the time of Skyrim is to make the Empire THINK they are - but they’re not.

They got whooped by the Legion at the Battle of the Red Ring and got pushed out of Cyrodiil.

They’ve made no real progress against the 90% of Hammerfell they don’t control (and they only control that southern coastal area because the Empire gave it to them).

They’re having serious issues holding onto Valenwood and only creating more Bosmeri rebels by carrying out brutal acts of reprisal against dissenters.

A growing number of Aldmer are becoming disillusioned with the Thalmor - a faction that existed before the Oblivion Crisis that wasn’t taken seriously and seen as being a fringe group of violent extremists…whom then seized power by fabricating false claims that they had stopped Mehrunes Dagon. Lies which they’ve tried to maintain first by assassinating the Aldmeri Potente to the Empire who knew it was Martin Septim, and then doing their best to paint all instances of the truth as being propaganda perpetuated by Men.

The Thalmor aren’t that important or powerful, friend - you fell for their schtick.

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by Fear2288:

As for the Thalmor, you’re inflating their significance.

They’re not that powerful, or that much of a threat. A big part of their strategy at the time of Skyrim is to make the Empire THINK they are - but they’re not.

They got whooped by the Legion at the Battle of the Red Ring and got pushed out of Cyrodiil.

They’ve made no real progress against the 90% of Hammerfell they don’t control (and they only control that southern coastal area because the Empire gave it to them).

They’re having serious issues holding onto Valenwood and only creating more Bosmeri rebels by carrying out brutal acts of reprisal against dissenters.

A growing number of Aldmer are becoming disillusioned with the Thalmor - a faction that existed before the Oblivion Crisis that wasn’t taken seriously and seen as being a fringe group of violent extremists…whom then seized power by fabricating false claims that they had stopped Mehrunes Dagon. Lies which they’ve tried to maintain first by assassinating the Aldmeri Potente to the Empire who knew it was Martin Septim, and then doing their best to paint all instances of the truth as being propaganda perpetuated by Men.

The Thalmor aren’t that important or powerful, friend - you fell for their schtick.

They control Summerset Isles, Valenwood and Elswyr, they nearly destroyed the Empire completely, and have reduced it to Cyrodiil and Skyrim, they are a significant threat.

If the Aldmeri and their allies overthrow them, well great, but that would be an internal revolution, which is always a threat for any oppressive government, until then they remain a threat to anyone who isn't one of them.... even Altmer.

The stuff you are quoting is largely supposition, very little as actual lore, especially when Bethesda are known to create lore then throw it out....

But you are right in that we have no idea where the next game is set, or who the enemy are going to be.