Should I buy AE DLC or are the mods available in a modpack?

[FireDogy]

So I've spent a few hours googling this and the results are convoluted and conflicted.

Is buying AE dlc the ONLY way to access those CC mods, or is there a modpack or alike on Nexus that comes bundled with the identical offering?

[Sairek Ceareste]

Well, getting them any other way that isn't from Bethesda would technically be considered piracy but they have no DRM so technically it's possible, though they wouldn't be hosted on Nexus or something like that.

My brother bought AE and linked his account, so I just ran his version of Skyrim via family share, made my own Bethesda account to link, then downloaded the mods and then just ran my version of Skyrim again. Now we both "own" AE as far as Bethesda and their creations download service is concerned.

You could technically just buy AE, link your account, grab the mods, and then refund it, then buy regular Skyrim SE, but should still be able to download the creations any time again I believe, since you download the mods from Bethesda, and not Steam, and since they saw you had the anniversary edition, it's not like they check it again since you technically made the purchase and linked it.

Then of course, there's just having someone copy & paste the files to you since they're just mods and there's no DRM. But getting these files from an unofficial source is technically piracy, as those people do not have the rights to redistribute those files.


Bethesda didn't think the whole idea through very well.

[LostME]

I don't think you can just get them for free. It's the same as downloading a game from a torrent.

[Sairek Ceareste]

Originally posted by LostME:

I don't think you can just get them for free. It's the same as downloading a game from a torrent.

That's a very blurred generalization on what piracy actually is.

It'd be like saying downloading a game rom is piracy. It's not. It's only piracy if you don't own an original copy. You can't steal something that you already purchased and own.

Though, I dump my own roms anyway. Always nice to know that it's MY rom, and not a copy of someone elses, even if as far as data goes, every single byte will be the exact same.

[LostME]

Originally posted by Sairek Ceareste:

Originally posted by LostME:

I don't think you can just get them for free. It's the same as downloading a game from a torrent.

That's a very blurred generalization on what piracy actually is.

It'd be like saying downloading a game rom is piracy. It's not. It's only piracy if you don't own an original copy. You can't steal something that you already purchased and own.

Though, I dump my own roms anyway. Always nice to know that it's MY rom, and not a copy of someone elses, even if as far as data goes, every single byte will be the exact same.

It looks like the spring exacerbation has finally arrived. There are many people appeared who demand precise wording as if you are in court.

[Sairek Ceareste]

Originally posted by LostME:

Originally posted by Sairek Ceareste:

That's a very blurred generalization on what piracy actually is.

It'd be like saying downloading a game rom is piracy. It's not. It's only piracy if you don't own an original copy. You can't steal something that you already purchased and own.

Though, I dump my own roms anyway. Always nice to know that it's MY rom, and not a copy of someone elses, even if as far as data goes, every single byte will be the exact same.

It looks like the spring exacerbation has finally arrived. There are many people appeared who demand precise wording as if you are in court.

Uh... No?


Generalizing the term "piracy" and stereotyping torrenting is one thing, but trying to act like you know me and my motives from at most, two posts, when I was just clarifying what you said because it was too general and could potentially be incorrectly misinterpreted, especially in the way you had worded it, is a bit silly.

[alexander_dougherty]

You can't get CC mods from a mod pack, the only place you can get them is from Bethesda's Creation Club.

I'm not going near the rest of the discussion though.

[Rez Elwin]

Not on Nexus. but I will also not tell you where to pirate these mods, only that it is possible.

Originally posted by Sairek Ceareste:

You could technically just buy AE, link your account, grab the mods, and then refund it, then buy regular Skyrim SE, but should still be able to download the creations any time again I believe, since you download the mods from Bethesda, and not Steam, and since they saw you had the anniversary edition, it's not like they check it again since you technically made the purchase and linked it.

This is what happened with me, I bought it, then refunded it. I still had access to the AE content, the only thing different from my game is the Emblem, it's still silver rather than gold.

[LostME]

Originally posted by Sairek Ceareste:

Originally posted by LostME:

It looks like the spring exacerbation has finally arrived. There are many people appeared who demand precise wording as if you are in court.

Uh... No?


Generalizing the term "piracy" and stereotyping torrenting is one thing, but trying to act like you know me and my motives from at most, two posts, when I was just clarifying what you said because it was too general and could potentially be incorrectly misinterpreted, especially in the way you had worded it, is a bit silly.

You just want to seem smart and that's silly. Unlike you, I don’t think that people are stupid and they can understand from the context that I meant downloading games that they didn’t buy. Besides, I don’t know the laws of all countries. For example, in my country there is no judicial punishment for ordinary citizens for downloading pirated or hacked software, games or movies, but I do not advise others to do this. However, torrent sites are considered illegal and access to them is mostly blocked. This is one of the examples why I cannot specify the concept of piracy.

[FireDogy]

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

You can't get CC mods from a mod pack, the only place you can get them is from Bethesda's Creation Club.

I'm not going near the rest of the discussion though.

This was the information I was interested in, since I don't know the exact distinction between CC and regular mods, so thought i'd just be able to download them from nexus or alike as regular mods (In that I see AE as just a modpack).

However, I have heard that the AE mods are unbalanced as hell and require a host of actual mods to distribute the content and balance it properly etc Is that still a thing or have they been fixed since release?

(Yeah, even though I possess a master's in multimedia and games, I won't touch that piracy legality / technicality discussion with a ten-foot pole)

[cyäegha]

Originally posted by Sairek Ceareste:

You can't steal something that you already purchased and own.

but in this case you don't own it, therefore peer-to-peer sharing of CC content between a person that bought AE and somebody that hadn't is analogous to torrenting

your argument would be more applicable to a situation in which you had, say, bought a physical copy of AE on console, already own SSE on PC, and don't like the idea of double-dipping for the CC content on PC

Originally posted by Sairek Ceareste:

...I was just clarifying what you said because it was too general and could potentially be incorrectly misinterpreted, especially in the way you had worded it...

the only way in which you can possibly misinterpret what was said is if you are actively looking for ways to read that statement in the least charitable way possible
it really isn't rocket science, and the morality and ethics of dumping ROMs isn't even relevant to this discussion in any meaningful way

[peppermint hollows]

Originally posted by FireDogy:

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

You can't get CC mods from a mod pack, the only place you can get them is from Bethesda's Creation Club.

I'm not going near the rest of the discussion though.

This was the information I was interested in, since I don't know the exact distinction between CC and regular mods, so thought i'd just be able to download them from nexus or alike as regular mods (In that I see AE as just a modpack).

However, I have heard that the AE mods are unbalanced as hell and require a host of actual mods to distribute the content and balance it properly etc:claptrap: Is that still a thing or have they been fixed since release?

(Yeah, even though I possess a master's in multimedia and games, I won't touch that piracy legality / technicality discussion with a ten-foot pole)

They are sort of like officially endorsed mods. For all intents and purpose they can be considered official content or add-ons. I don't know if you've ever played Morrowind you can think of them as similar to the official plugins in that game. Most of them (maybe all of them, not sure) were created by notable members of the Skyrim modding community.

And yes, they completely destroy whatever balance the base game has because they make weapons, spells, and armour that are better or equal to the highest level items found in the base game/official DLCs very early on into the game. I own the AE and personally use a mod that delays the appearance of AE content because it just ruins the natural progression of power in the game imo. Especially if you use other rebalancing mods that try to make the base game have better and more logical progress.

[Sairek Ceareste]

Originally posted by LostME:

Originally posted by Sairek Ceareste:

Uh... No?


Generalizing the term "piracy" and stereotyping torrenting is one thing, but trying to act like you know me and my motives from at most, two posts, when I was just clarifying what you said because it was too general and could potentially be incorrectly misinterpreted, especially in the way you had worded it, is a bit silly.

You just want to seem smart and that's silly. Unlike you, I don’t think that people are stupid and they can understand from the context that I meant downloading games that they didn’t buy. Besides, I don’t know the laws of all countries. For example, in my country there is no judicial punishment for ordinary citizens for downloading pirated or hacked software, games or movies, but I do not advise others to do this. However, torrent sites are considered illegal and access to them is mostly blocked. This is one of the examples why I cannot specify the concept of piracy.

I don't care about "being smart". I told you what I care about I already said. Why continue to make assumptions about someone on the internet that you don't know?

Originally posted by Sairek Ceareste:

...I was just clarifying what you said because it was too general and could potentially be incorrectly misinterpreted, especially in the way you had worded it...

the only way in which you can possibly misinterpret what was said is if you are actively looking for ways to read that statement in the least charitable way possible
it really isn't rocket science, and the morality and ethics of dumping ROMs isn't even relevant to this discussion in any meaningful way [/quote]



You mean besides the fact it was an incredibly generalized statement that could have extremely varying degrees of context and the context it was written could be interpreted as a statement that's incorrect or how torrenting was labeled as basically being piracy?

I labeled three ways to get CC content for free. Two of them aren't piracy and are acquired directly from Bethesda themselves

If the legality of roms have no place in discussion, then neither do "torrents". Torrenting after all is just an alternative method of getting data from point A to B. It can make just as many unauthorized copies as if I had Ctrl + C and then Ctrl + V'd an entire game folder into a friend's portable hard drive.

Anyway, kindly stop labeling me, someone you don't know on the internet, when I again, only had the intent to clarify and inform. If you don't like it, fine. That's your opinion. But don't spout stuff about me you do not and cannot know about me. Thanks.

[LostME]

Originally posted by Sairek Ceareste:

Originally posted by LostME:

You just want to seem smart and that's silly. Unlike you, I don’t think that people are stupid and they can understand from the context that I meant downloading games that they didn’t buy. Besides, I don’t know the laws of all countries. For example, in my country there is no judicial punishment for ordinary citizens for downloading pirated or hacked software, games or movies, but I do not advise others to do this. However, torrent sites are considered illegal and access to them is mostly blocked. This is one of the examples why I cannot specify the concept of piracy.

I don't care about "being smart". I told you what I care about I already said. Why continue to make assumptions about someone on the internet that you don't know?

Lol. We mean that you interpreted it this way specifically to show your intelligence and create a conflict. Now you will make excuses. When people ask about downgrading the version of Skyrim, I have never seen anyone offer to download the torrent version. Other people make downgrade programs, guides on how to download via Steam console, but here the solution is simply a torrent. Thank you, great one.

If you want to enter into a debate about the interpretation of piracy, show documents with judicial interpretations and preferably from different countries. This is the Internet after all. And then leave the statements, "I said so, deny it is stupid."

[FireDogy]

Originally posted by peppermint hollows:

Originally posted by FireDogy:

This was the information I was interested in, since I don't know the exact distinction between CC and regular mods, so thought i'd just be able to download them from nexus or alike as regular mods (In that I see AE as just a modpack).

However, I have heard that the AE mods are unbalanced as hell and require a host of actual mods to distribute the content and balance it properly etc Is that still a thing or have they been fixed since release?

(Yeah, even though I possess a master's in multimedia and games, I won't touch that piracy legality / technicality discussion with a ten-foot pole)

They are sort of like officially endorsed mods. For all intents and purpose they can be considered official content or add-ons. I don't know if you've ever played Morrowind you can think of them as similar to the official plugins in that game. Most of them (maybe all of them, not sure) were created by notable members of the Skyrim modding community.

And yes, they completely destroy whatever balance the base game has because they make weapons, spells, and armour that are better or equal to the highest level items found in the base game/official DLCs very early on into the game. I own the AE and personally use a mod that delays the appearance of AE content because it just ruins the natural progression of power in the game imo. Especially if you use other rebalancing mods that try to make the base game have better and more logical progress.

Aaaah okay. So essentially they can be seen as freelance projects supported and funded by the development team?

I have unfortunately not played Morrowind or Oblivion yet. - Can you elaborate a bit on how those official plugins function?

Hah yeah that was my thoughts, that the AE mods are overpowered and only function in their own questline eco-systems. Do you have a modlist to recommend running alongside AE?

[FireDogy]

Originally posted by LostME:

Originally posted by Sairek Ceareste:

I don't care about "being smart". I told you what I care about I already said. Why continue to make assumptions about someone on the internet that you don't know?

Lol. We mean that you interpreted it this way specifically to show your intelligence and create a conflict. Now you will make excuses. When people ask about downgrading the version of Skyrim, I have never seen anyone offer to download the torrent version. Other people make downgrade programs, guides on how to download via Steam console, but here the solution is simply a torrent. Thank you, great one.

If you want to enter into a debate about the interpretation of piracy, show documents with judicial interpretations and preferably from different countries. This is the Internet after all. And then leave the statements, "I said so, deny it is stupid."

I am sorry, but will you guys take that discussion elsewhere? Your (All of you that tangent into piracy talk and whatnot) contributions are not at all relevant to the topic of this thread any longer.