Freeze in Whiterun

[Davidenko]

Hello! I'm having a problem that I can't solve. Unfortunately, this is the 5th game I've started to start clean, but I always run into the same problem. Within Whiterun the game freezes, clearly it is not a VRAM problem, since in FPS the game runs for me, but rather, you can see with the naked eye how it is difficult to process "something" that is ruining the game for me. I have some experience in using mods but not so much in leaving the game perfectly balanced, and I would like some assistance in this regard.
I would appreciate it if you could help me with the following:

1st: Let me know if you need anything more than the loading order to detect the problem I'm having.
2nd: Let me know if there are any of the mods I use that are incompatible with any other, are obsolete, or are known to be problematic.
3rd: Let me know if the Bashed Patch is still essential for proper functioning.
4th: Let me know if there is something important that I am skipping.

PS: I use the latest free version AE, latest SKSE, I have all my plugins clean with xEdit, automatically sorted with LOOT, deployed by Vortex with their respective FNIS fixes. And finally a Bashed Patch.
PDD: freezing has rarely happened to me in other places, but in Whiterun the freezing rate is almost 80%.
PSDD: I just want to play a clean game, I don't mind removing mods from the list if it would help get rid of the freeze.

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 ccBGSSSE001-Fish.esm
254 FE 0 ccQDRSSE001-SurvivalMode.esl
254 FE 1 ccBGSSSE037-Curios.esl
6 6 ccBGSSSE025-AdvDSGS.esm
254 FE 2 _ResourcePack.esl
7 7 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
8 8 RealisticWaterTwo - Resources.esm
9 9 Campfire.esm
254 FE 3 Expressive Facegen Morphs.esl
10 a SkyUI_SE.esp
11 b Audio Overhaul Skyrim.esp
12 c Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
13 d Obsidian Weathers.esp
254 FE 4 AOS_ISC_Integration.esp
14 e SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
15 f SMIM-SE-Merged-NoSolitudeRopes.esp
16 10 SMIM-SE-Merged-NoRiftenRopes.esp
SMIM-SE-Merged-NoRiftenRopes-NoSolitudeRopes.esp
SMIM-SE-DragonbornTernFix.esp
SMIM-SE-FarmhouseFlickeringFix.esp
17 11 TrueStormsSE.esp
18 12 FNIS.esp
19 13 IcePenguinWorldMap.esp
254 FE 5 aMidianBorn_Book of Silence.esp
20 14 Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
21 15 Cutting Room Floor.esp
254 FE 6 Regional Sounds Expansion.esp
254 FE 7 Reverb Interior Sounds Expansion.esp
254 FE 8 AcousticTemplateFixes.esp
254 FE 9 AcousticTemplateFixes_CC_Seducers_EC.esp
254 FE a AcousticTemplateFixes_ReverbInteriorSounds.esp
22 16 aMidianBorn_Ebony Variants.esp
23 17 aMidianBorn_Glass Variants Lore.esp
24 18 aMidianBorn_Glass Variants.esp
25 19 AmuletsShowOnEverything.esp
26 1a RLO - Exteriors.esp
27 1b WACCF_Armor and Clothing Extension.esp
28 1c Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
29 1d aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp
30 1e AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
31 1f DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp
32 20 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
254 FE b AOS_EBT Patch.esp
254 FE c TrueStormsSE_AOS.esp
254 FE d AutoHideAmmo.esp
33 21 Bijin AIO.esp
Bijin NPCs.esp
Bijin Wives.esp
Bijin Warmaidens.esp
34 22 BlendedRoads.esp
254 FE e Qw_ISC_CRF Patch.esp
254 FE f Conditional Expressions.esp
254 FE 10 CBBE.esp
35 23 RaceMenu.esp
36 24 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
37 25 RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
38 26 Obsidian_TS_Patch_Spectral.esp
39 27 DarkerNights.esp
40 28 Footprints.esp
41 29 FranklyHDImperialArmorsAndWeapons.esp
42 2a Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
43 2b Beards.esp
44 2c Run For Your Lives.esp
45 2d Immersive Patrols II.esp
46 2e Imperial Guard Centurion Armor SE - Johnskyrim.esp
47 2f KS Hairdo's.esp
48 30 Serana.esp
49 31 Improved Eyes Skyrim - Serana.esp
50 32 Improved Eyes Skyrim - Vamp.esp
51 33 Improved Eyes Skyrim.esp
254 FE 11 KaliliesBrows.esp
52 34 KaliliesNPCs.esp
254 FE 12 CRF - Kalilies NPC's Patch.esp
53 35 Lucien.esp
54 36 Obsidian_TS_AOS_Patch.esp
55 37 PAN_DashingDefenders.esp
56 38 PAN_Brelyna.esp
57 39 PAN_DevotedDames.esp
58 3a PAN_DunmerDamsels.esp
59 3b PAN_Frea.esp
254 FE 13 PAN_Frida.esp
60 3c PAN_LethalLadies.esp
61 3d PAN_NPCs_DG.esp
62 3e PAN_MarvellousMiners.esp
63 3f PAN_NPCs_Males.esp
64 40 PAN_NPCs_Males2.esp
65 41 PAN_NPCs.esp
66 42 PAN_NPCs_Males3.esp
67 43 PAN_Nevri.esp
68 44 PAN_Serana.esp
69 45 PAN_Shieldsisters.esp
70 46 PAN_Valerica.esp
71 47 PAN_WarriorWomen.esp
72 48 PAN_WickedWitches.esp
73 49 PAN_BlackBriar.esp
74 4a PAN_NPCs_DB.esp
75 4b RaceMenuSpanish.esp
76 4c RLO - Effects.esp
254 FE 14 Reverb Interior Sounds Expansion_VolumeSlider_Rain.esp
254 FE 15 Reverb Interior Sounds Expansion_VolumeSlider_Thunder.esp
77 4d SkyHUD.esp
254 FE 16 Smelters_Riften & Solitude.esp
78 4e BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
79 4f TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
80 50 WetandCold.esp
81 51 Obsidian_TS_Wet&Cold_Patch.esp
82 52 Unique Uniques.esp
83 53 UniqueBarbas.esp
84 54 UnreadBooksGlow.esp
85 55 XPMSE.esp
86 56 LTAJC_LightElvenArmor.esp
254 FE 17 CC-Fishing_WACCF_Patch.esp
254 FE 18 CuttingRoomFloor_WACCF_Patch.esp
254 FE 19 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation_WACCF_Patch.esp
254 FE 1a KaliliesNPCs_WACCF_Patch.esp
254 FE 1b Unique Uniques_WACCF_Patch.esp
254 FE 1c WACCF_Survival Mode_Patch.esp
87 57 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
88 58 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
254 FE 1d Ordinator_WACCF_Patch.esp
89 59 RealisticWaterTwo.esp
254 FE 1e RealisticWaterTwo - Alt Volcanic Watercolor.esp
90 5a RLO - Interiors.esp
91 5b RLO - CRF Patch.esp
92 5c RLO - IC Patch.esp
93 5d RLO - Illuminated Spells.esp
94 5e RLO - VIS Patch.esp
95 5f WACCF_BashedPatchLvlListFix.esp
254 FE 1f Bashed Patch, 0.esp

[Shindig73]

It will be wet & cold causing that issue

[Lux]

Why are you still using FNIS ?

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by Davidenko:

I have all my plugins clean with xEdit,

This could be the cause, not all plugins should be cleaned.
First off, the master files and all CC mods can't be cleaned without causing problems (like this one)
Secondly, some mods require dirty edits in order to work, you need to check each mod to see if it can be cleaned.

[Lux]

Perhaps this would be helpful to you:
https://stepmodifications.org/forum/topic/18702-skyrim-se-crashing-near-whiterun-areas/

[Davidenko]

Originally posted by Shindig73:

It will be wet & cold causing that issue

Can you be more specific? Please D: why that mod and how.

Originally posted by Lux:

Why are you still using FNIS ?

Because Nemesis is too complicated to use. I don't understand it, and it requires go into the game folder. It should be more easy for players like me.
And the other reason is because I'm not using any Nemesis behavior mods, only classics FNIS.
Is that a problem? (seriously)

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

Originally posted by Davidenko:

I have all my plugins clean with xEdit,

This could be the cause, not all plugins should be cleaned.
First off, the master files and all CC mods can't be cleaned without causing problems (like this one)
Secondly, some mods require dirty edits in order to work, you need to check each mod to see if it can be cleaned.

Sorry I might expressed myself wrong, I'm using a translator. I meant that ALL MODS THAT REQUIRED CLEANING according to LOOT have been cleaned, including RLO - IC Patch.esp which required manual cleaning of the records.

Originally posted by Lux:

Perhaps this would be helpful to you:
https://stepmodifications.org/forum/topic/18702-skyrim-se-crashing-near-whiterun-areas/

I read this already and does not seem to have nothing to do with any of my mods. But thanks for the suggestion.

Please response the quotes if can.

[Davidenko]

Here is my crash logs (or freeze logs lol):

https://pastebin.com/M8EsHgnp

[Corinze]

My guess is realistic lighting overhaul from your crash log, mainly exterior.

[Shindig73]

The crash you describe is common with wet and cold. The screen just freezes. Try disabling it and walk around areas it often crashes. The cloaks are cool but you may have to sacrifice it.

[Davidenko]

Here's another from just now, just after killing Mirmulnir and take his soul, freeze...
https://pastebin.com/cDZWxJdz

Originally posted by Corinze:

My guess is realistic lighting overhaul from your crash log, mainly exterior.

Ty, I will try that too.

Originally posted by Shindig73:

The crash you describe is common with wet and cold. The screen just freezes. Try disabling it and walk around areas it often crashes. The cloaks are cool but you may have to sacrifice it.

That sucks, will I need to restart a new game for disabling RLO - Exteriors and Wet and Cold? Or is safe to uninstall?

[Shindig73]

Originally posted by Davidenko:

Here's another from just now, just after killing Mirmulnir and take his soul, freeze...
https://pastebin.com/cDZWxJdz

Originally posted by Corinze:

My guess is realistic lighting overhaul from your crash log, mainly exterior.

Ty, I will try that too.

Originally posted by Shindig73:

The crash you describe is common with wet and cold. The screen just freezes. Try disabling it and walk around areas it often crashes. The cloaks are cool but you may have to sacrifice it.

That sucks, will I need to restart a new game for disabling RLO - Exteriors and Wet and Cold? Or is safe to uninstall?

Maybe not a new game. First, disable w&c and any patches. Load game. It will warn you the save depends on w&c + patches. Ignore it and load. Walk around Whiterun where you get freezes. If it still freezes, you know to look elsewhere for the issue. I gave up on it ages ago.

[Corinze]

A quick glance at RLO and it recommends a new game for version 5 or higher. Before you start disabling mods and killing your save, try a new game for testing purposes.

[smr1957]

First, Wet and Cold is often accused of being at fault for things, when often it actually is not - and if it was, it would not be causing CTDs in just one localized area (I've had it in my game with literally thousands of other mods, and never once had an issue with it over thousands of hours - not saying it isn't possible, just that it is unlikely).

As to a Bashed Patch, it is absolutely necessary, as without it, a good number of things may not appear in the game (though this would not cause CTDS, it would just mean that there would be missing content due to conflicts). Use WryBash to make the Bashed Patch, and only check off the option for leveled lists - and nothing else.

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

Originally posted by Davidenko:

I have all my plugins clean with xEdit,

This could be the cause, not all plugins should be cleaned.
First off, the master files and all CC mods can't be cleaned without causing problems (like this one)
Secondly, some mods require dirty edits in order to work, you need to check each mod to see if it can be cleaned.

Originally posted by Corinze:

A quick glance at RLO and it recommends a new game for version 5 or higher. Before you start disabling mods and killing your save, try a new game for testing purposes.

The above two responses are right on the mark, and are absolutely right and the best suggestions - the rest are in many cases completely wrong and contain bad advice (even if the posters are sincerely trying to help).

Ignore what LOOT says when it comes to cleaning (and just about anything else, for that matter) - LOOT is a sorting tool, NOT a diagnostic tool, and it should only be used for sorting, not for troubleshooting.

As to troubleshooting your build, follow this general outline:

Troubleshooting Your Load Order
https://steamcommunity.com/app/489830/discussions/0/3109142236155416522/

Link is from the following section of the PINNED TOPIC Helpful Links and References:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2882871440

Good luck!

[Davidenko]

Originally posted by smr1957:

Ignore what LOOT says when it comes to cleaning (and just about anything else, for that matter) - LOOT is a sorting tool, NOT a diagnostic tool, and it should only be used for sorting, not for troubleshooting.

As to troubleshooting your build, follow this general outline:

Troubleshooting Your Load Order
https://steamcommunity.com/app/489830/discussions/0/3109142236155416522/

Link is from the following section of the PINNED TOPIC Helpful Links and References:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2882871440

Is too much to read, that's the hole reason why I'm asking for help, don't wanna learn "troubleshooting", just wanna play. That's why I (and the 90% of SSE mod players) use LOOT.
I mean, I appreciate the help but you're not really helping me at all.
I'm a little tired of the modding community pretending that we're all modders so we can use them.

Originally posted by Corinze:

A quick glance at RLO and it recommends a new game for version 5 or higher. Before you start disabling mods and killing your save, try a new game for testing purposes.

Version 5 of what...?
Like I said on the top, is my 5th fresh start. I am testing, but nothing works, that's why I'm here.

Originally posted by Shindig73:

Maybe not a new game. First, disable w&c and any patches. Load game. It will warn you the save depends on w&c + patches. Ignore it and load. Walk around Whiterun where you get freezes. If it still freezes, you know to look elsewhere for the issue. I gave up on it ages ago.

I will try this until freezing is gone.
(it seems the freeze is in everywhere, not only Whiterun)

[Lux]

Originally posted by smr1957:

- "The above two responses are right on the mark, and are absolutely right and the best suggestions - the rest are in many cases completely wrong and contain bad advice (even if the posters are sincerely trying to help). -

I had the same kind of problem in january and it was a bad NPC face/head reference (Arcadia in my case). Thats why I linked that info. It's very bold of you to say everyone is wrong except you and what you think it's right, Florida guy.

[Corinze]

Read the download instructions It might be best to do a full vanilla wipe and start over if you can not get things working. SMR's guide might be long but it covers everything and best around. Wish ya luck.
Just remember the game engine saves baked files into your saves. So mods with scripts are always an issue adding and removing and why it is not recommended to test things this way.

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/844?tab=files