need advices with sneak dagger build

[revolution_war]

which should i go?
single dagger?
single dagger with shield?
dual dagger? (will the 50% more dmg perk works with dagger perks?)

[Spirit]

if you use only melee i think having a shield is always better. blocking gets better with levels and perks and using 2 weapons always feels too slow for me

if you don't like shields use spells on the other hand

[alexander_dougherty]

Simple it's either the best dagger you can make (including improving at the grindstone) with a soul trap/fiery soultrap enchantment OR Mrhrunes Razor.

As for dagger/dagger and shield/two daggers, that's entirely down to how you play, nobody can tell you that one.

[Alex]

Just imagine a combat situation. You sneak up on an enemy and stab them with your dagger. Now, three things can happen:

1. Ideally, the enemy is killed. For this, aim to improve one-handed, smithing and alchemy. This outcome means that you don't even need a second dagger or a shield.
2. The enemy receives heavy damage. In this case, double-wielding two daggers can help you finish them off before they have the chance to do the same to you.
3. The enemy doesn't receive much damage. Maybe you were spotted in the last second, or the difficulty setting was too high. Then, having a shield ready to block the inevitable retaliation is the most sensible choice.

Now, pick your equipment depending on which scenario is more likely to occur.

Additionally, you need to have some means to tackle entire groups of enemies. My personal suggestion would be a dagger/illusion combo. Archery, destruction or conjuration can help as well. But if you don't have anything else, then switch to a dagger/shield combo to engage the rest of the group.

[worm_master]

Heres a excelent xample, this is ME... https://youtu.be/FtjK0sXH95U I'm so stealthy I can activate a finisher, whilst facing them

[revolution_war]

Originally posted by worm_master:

Heres a excelent xample, this is ME... https://youtu.be/FtjK0sXH95U I'm so stealthy I can activate a finisher, whilst facing them

that seem fun.. can you share your build?

[worm_master]

Sure, i'll jus go make a vid, BRB

[Alex]

Originally posted by revolution_war:

that seem fun.. can you share your build?

He just ramped up sneak and is using muffle. In vanilla, if your stealth rating is high enough, the enemies won't find you even at point blank. Can be fun, but it will spoil any challenge.

[worm_master]

Theres a little more to it, but yeah, pretty much, heres the vid anyway https://youtu.be/QOutwhcPUsI my base skills were Enchanting and Alchemy, and built from there.

[Deadzoneer]

If you attacked with both daggers at the same time while undetected, wouldn't both both daggers apply Sneak Attack? Might be misremembering something about it.

[worm_master]

Daggers yes, it would, I thought 1 looked more impressive, had to repost the vid, forgot to brand it.. N.B, whilst it works just fine in caves and indoors, it's NOT so hot outside, it's a lot harder, even wiyh my skill, night is the best time, if your outside.

I'm also a mage, silent casting is a must, and my enchanted gear gives me unlimited mana, I am skilled in the arts of Conjuration, Alteration and Destruction, with unlimited mana in each class.

I can kill a dragon on legendary, with nothing more then conjured beings, whilst I cower stealthed behind a rock, unlimited magic is great, since i also have unlimited invisibility, magically or via my invis potions which last for around 130 secs or so, add to that several nasty extremely virulent toxins and i'm laffin.

Scenario: Run in to a group of NPC's, equip poisoned dagger in 1 hand an , invis in the other, goto sneak, cast invis, stab, move away, cast invs, go back pick pocket 1, add poison, move away recast Invis... repeat untill all r dead!

[Alex]

For this you need a really high stealth rating. A full set of gear enchanted with fortify sneak and muffle, high sneak skill value, fortify potions, and a muffle spell.

There are only two issues with this build. First is obviously getting there, you need to level a lot of skills. What he described is the pinnacle, but you need to walk all the way there and it won't be that easy with mid-level skills. The second issue is impending boredom. Not only does this approach remove most of the challenge, you'll be forced to stick to this strategy.

[worm_master]

Originally posted by Alex:

For this you need a really high stealth rating. A full set of gear enchanted with fortify sneak and muffle, high sneak skill value, fortify potions, and a muffle spell.

There are only two issues with this build. First is obviously getting there, you need to level a lot of skills. The second is impending boredom. Not only does this approach remove most of the challenge, you'll be forced to stick to this strategy.

Dude, I only have 1 muffled item, and that's the boots, which have muffled and silent, I don't need the muffle skill in the Sneak skill, but I gotta have it, to get the other skills. As for levelling Stealth is easy, jus goto a inn, crouch in a room, hit auto walk, and go away for a hour or 2.

As for the rest, skill points, skill points are all, I used my unlimited alteration to cast "Detect Life" in Whiterun, to gain skill points. I'll also add, if u get ya pick pocket high enough, you actually make more money pick pocketing a entire town, then you do fighting, I few items that enchant pick-pocket are enough for most gold drops, I can take equipped stuff though.(I stole "The Ebony Warrior's" gear, man that bow is summit)

I think theres a bug with him actully, if you take his gear and challenge him, he'll equip it all again, it seems to me, that if you have high pick-pocket and invis, you can keep stealing from him, is bow is worth a sack loada creds by it's self.

[revolution_war]

Originally posted by worm_master:

Theres a little more to it, but yeah, pretty much, heres the vid anyway https://youtu.be/QOutwhcPUsI my base skills were Enchanting and Alchemy, and built from there.

thnks for sharing..

how this build goes against dragon?
i have build some sneak archer before and had fun with it.. but i found it is problematic to 1v1 a dragon..

[worm_master]

Lol Well long and hard, I'd imagine, involving stabbing an going invis an stabbing again, even with Ebony skin an plate mail, the dragon would make mincemeat of you. I can kill dragons, wid a bow, easily, stealth is good, keep enough distance an ya golden.

[Alex]

Originally posted by worm_master:

Dude, I only have 1 muffled item, and that's the boots, which have muffled and silent, I don't need the muffle skill in the Sneak skill, but I gotta have it, to get the other skills.

If your skill is maxed out, then yes.

Originally posted by worm_master:

As for levelling Stealth is easy, jus goto a inn, crouch in a room, hit auto walk, and go away for a hour or 2.

Dude, why not just use a console command?

Originally posted by worm_master:

As for the rest, skill points, skill points are all, I used my unlimited alteration to cast "Detect Life" in Whiterun, to gain skill points.

Again, console commands are way faster.

Originally posted by worm_master:

I'll also add, if u get ya pick pocket high enough, you actually make more money pick pocketing a entire town, then you do fighting, I few items that enchant pick-pocket are enough for most gold drops, I can take equipped stuff though.

Only at high levels and with high skills.