Skyrim: "bugs" that infuriate players

[xaocfera]

I have a computer with Win 10. I play Skyrim on it. There are no other games or programs. There is nothing other than the game Skyrim. All personal folders to which Bezesda has access are empty.
I installed the game 5 days ago and started playing from scratch. I started noticing some serious bugs.

1. Disappearance of important characters from quests.
Eorlund Gray-Mane, master blacksmith in Whiterun, has gone missing.
Dunmer shopkeeper in Riften has disappeared.
Screenshot [link]:
https://postimg.cc/CBNSbgG3
https://postimg.cc/jDpxbvqF

I brought them back into the game by entering commands. But at the same time, I lost achievements in the game, which Bethesda warns me about.
I don’t care about achievements but the very fact of this situation resembles trolling.

2. The behavior of one of the main characters in the game, namely the horse Frost, still harms the Main Character. This is your mount and it is more important than Companions, and it is also the main one in terms of the frequency of problems that arise from it in the game.
I already wrote on the Steam website about the behavior bug of this horse. The situation is disgusting. The horse rushes at the enemy even if the enemy is far away. And of course he dies immediately because Skyrim’s monsters spam fast heavy attacks. But that's not all. The monsters in Skyrim see you and rush to attack. But when this horse is near you, they ignore the player and always attack this horse first. If your character does not manage to kill the monster quickly, he immediately loses this unique horse in the game. Of course, if you are attacked by a crowd of 3 vampires or a dragon, then this horse simply has no chance.
As they say about Bethesda products: “it's not a bug it's a feature”?
In short, these problems are solved using console commands by the player himself. But Bethesda ruined everything again by introducing punitive consequences for using console commands in the game.

[Ghost]

Bethesda makes very buggy games and are notably lazy when it comes to fixes. If not using the various Unofficial patches, you should be.
Main one here: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/266

Characters have their own lives as it were, and have to walk to their positions - you sure they're not just doing something else at the time, talking to someone or stuck on somewhere?

Additionally, your actions may have consequences - such as getting Brand-Shei arrested if you've started the Thieve's Guild questline.

In regards to console use, it only disables achievements for that session. If you exit and relaunch the game again, you should* be able to earn them again so long as you don't open the console.

*Mods also disable achievements, though other mods fix that; also the recent update has apparently broken the link between steam and the game, thus breaking achievements entirely.

[Liquid Inc]

Originally posted by xaocfera:

I installed the game 5 days ago and started playing from scratch. I started noticing some serious bugs.

1. Disappearance of important characters from quests.
Eorlund Gray-Mane, master blacksmith in Whiterun, has gone missing.
Dunmer shopkeeper in Riften has disappeared.
Screenshot [link]:
https://postimg.cc/CBNSbgG3
https://postimg.cc/jDpxbvqF
.

Which aren't well known things. If these are disappearing, and not where they are supposed to be, then have you made sure your FPS is capped to 60, and followed guides in the pinned threads, which point to all the information you need to sort this out?

Originally posted by xaocfera:

I brought them back into the game by entering commands. But at the same time, I lost achievements in the game, which Bethesda warns me about.
I don’t care about achievements but the very fact of this situation resembles trolling.

you "brought them back"? Are you saying they were dead?

If they were not dead, you should have used the "move-to" command, which moves the actually existing NPC to you. If you used the "Placeatme" command, you broke your own game by creating a copy that doesn't have any of the scripts for the quests attached.

None of this is "trolling".

Originally posted by xaocfera:

2. The behavior of one of the main characters in the game, namely the horse Frost, still harms the Main Character. This is your mount and it is more important than Companions, and it is also the main one in terms of the frequency of problems that arise from it in the game.

?
If you hit Frost with an attack, be it melee, or an AOE magic attack, it can become hostile, just like EVERY OTHER NPC in the game.
Leave the area and wait some time for it to become non-hostile again. This is how the game works, and is not "trolling"

Originally posted by xaocfera:

I already wrote on the Steam website about the behavior bug of this horse. The situation is disgusting. The horse rushes at the enemy even if the enemy is far away. And of course he dies immediately because Skyrim’s monsters spam fast heavy attacks. But that's not all. The monsters in Skyrim see you and rush to attack. But when this horse is near you, they ignore the player and always attack this horse first. If your character does not manage to kill the monster quickly, he immediately loses this unique horse in the game. Of course, if you are attacked by a crowd of 3 vampires or a dragon, then this horse simply has no chance.
As they say about Bethesda products: “it's not a bug it's a feature”?
In short, these problems are solved using console commands by the player himself. But Bethesda ruined everything again by introducing punitive consequences for using console commands in the game.

That's because Frost is a Horse, and that's what Horses do when they're your allies. It's not a bug per say, it's just a thing that "Allies" of the player do.

You can set Frost to being Essential in the console, or for a more permanent solution, in XEdit or the CK.
Hopefully your NOT using the resurrect command when you try to "save" it as that will break your game no end...

Bethesda didn't "introduce" console commands. Those are there for the Developers use, NOT for the players, and they simply left them there incase you specifically needed one, such as TCL to get out of a stuck space.
They did NOT intend you to constantly resurrect Frost after it dies.

[A. Silvermane]

Originally posted by xaocfera:

1. Disappearance of important characters from quests.
Eorlund Gray-Mane, master blacksmith in Whiterun, has gone missing.

Did you check the Gray-mane household? He goes there to sleep.

Dunmer shopkeeper in Riften has disappeared.

Did you check the Riften jail?

[Rez Elwin]

There is no consequence for using "safe" console commands, they do NOT disable achievements. You probably used some unsafe ones, or bypassed some quest triggers, it's user error.

[xaocfera]

I returned the blacksmith to his place with a command that does not create doubles. But instead of the blacksmith, his corpse appeared on the ground. But let me. No one can kill him inside the city of Whiterun.
I entered another command: resurrect.
Subsequently, the blacksmith did not disappear.

[Liquid Inc]

Originally posted by xaocfera:

I returned the blacksmith to his place with a command that does not create doubles. But instead of the blacksmith, his corpse appeared on the ground. But let me. No one can kill him inside the city of Whiterun.
I entered another command: resurrect.
Subsequently, the blacksmith did not disappear.

His corpse means he's dead and the game's run it's death script. This script is once run = permanent. It can never be reversed
Even with Resurrect, the game has already tagged him as dead, and the "resurrected" version is seen as a different NPC.

This then suggests you've broken your game in even more ways, as Eorlund is Essential (As far as i know), and can't be killed by anyone (Including the player)

[xaocfera]

His corpse means he's dead and the game's run it's death script.
This script is once run = permanent. It can never be reversed
Even with Resurrect, the game has already tagged him as dead, and the "resurrected" version is seen as a different NPC.

This then suggests you've broken your game in even more ways, as Eorlund is Essential (As far as i know), and can't be killed by anyone (Including the player) [/quote]

Now, carefully look at this calmly. Do you think that when Bethesda wrote such a script in this game, they did not understand what they were doing? Are they sleepwalkers or weak-minded? I'm telling you, this is cold-blooded trolling. I'm sure they have a package of troll bugs built into their games. And they can launch them remotely. A type of virus. But they will never return your money. Even if you write a devastating review of their game, with a complete list of all the bugs.

[Valden21]

OP, seriously. Bethesda is a video game company. It's got no sources of income apart from making and publishing video games. Why would they do the sort of thing you claim? It's counter-productive, at best. At worst, it would get them in trouble with multiple governments. Furthermore, it would ALSO put Bethesda in severe hot water with its parent company, Microsoft. That's more trouble than any company can handle, and Bethesda knows that. That's why it hasn't done this; it's why they WILL NEVER do this.

Furthermore, the thing about NPC death scripts has been public knowledge among Skyrim players since the early days of Oldrim, so about 12 years. It's even documented among the console codes listed in Skyrim's console code entry on UESP. The code to revive dead NPCs has a big warning describing this very issue, and the warning's BEEN there for 12 years. It's not some "remote bug"; it's a legitimate part of the game's coding.

[Rez Elwin]

Originally posted by Liquid Inc:

His corpse means he's dead and the game's run it's death script. This script is once run = permanent. It can never be reversed
Even with Resurrect, the game has already tagged him as dead, and the "resurrected" version is seen as a different NPC.

This then suggests you've broken your game in even more ways, as Eorlund is Essential (As far as i know), and can't be killed by anyone (Including the player)

He is until you complete the Companions quest-line, once that is done his essential status is removed. So he could theoretically die, but highly unlikely, he never leaves the walls of Whiterun. Unless the Players kills them, I am not sure how he would die.

[A. Silvermane]

Originally posted by Rez Elwin:

He is until you complete the Companions quest-line, once that is done his essential status is removed. So he could theoretically die, but highly unlikely, he never leaves the walls of Whiterun. Unless the Players kills them, I am not sure how he would die.

Dragon attacks but you'd have to lure the Dragon into the wind district for him to be threatened.

[sdack]

Dear OP, when you feel this strongly about a game, and any game, then you are doing it wrong. Games are meant to be fun. If you cannot laugh at a bug and move on, but get infuriated then you need to stop playing it and do something else for a while. Otherwise, will your mental health suffer and no amount of blaming is going to fix it for you.

The game has a vast number of characters, locations, and quests, with most of them being handcrafted. There are sure a few bugs in it, but there is so much to do in this game that one can easily walk away from a bug, ignore it, and find something else to do. The game can easily occupy one for a thousand hours. The amount of diversity in this game makes it easy to ignore the bugs. If you cannot do that but only find yourself hung up on bugs and cannot stop focusing on these then find something else to do. A simpler game with less content will have fewer bugs.

However, if you are pedantic and want it perfect or just your way then there are plenty of mods that fix, patch, overhaul, redesign or completely change many aspects of it. But be warned, these also have their bugs, do not always work together with other mods, can fix more than you want them to fix, or leave you unsatisfied in other ways. If this is the case then this game is just not for you.

[Ghost]

Originally posted by A. Silvermane:

Dragon attacks but you'd have to lure the Dragon into the wind district for him to be threatened.

Or any of the other random ones that enter cities - cultists, vampires etc.

[xaocfera]

Or any of the other random ones that enter cities - cultists, vampires etc. [/quote]

That is why, a newcomer to the Skyrim must understand a simple truth:
do not start quests that activate top monsters until you reach level 50 at least.
First, you tediously level up your character for, say, 60 hours.

[This cannot be avoided in games from Bethesda. They don't respect the players. The same Ubisoft made it possible in games to maintain the achieved level and not upgrade again.]

Then you complete all the main quests in 4 hours.
Very funny, right? An epic RPG with a story for 4 hours of play.

[alexander_dougherty]

Vampires don't enter cities any more.
I haven't seen a dragon attack any city except Solitude for years (and that was probably a bug)
Cultists do enter cities and can attack supposedly protected characters.... but it's usually that you have somehow accidently hit them when they are low on health... usually but not always.

Eorland Greymane shouldn't disappear from the city he wanders between his home, the Skyforge and the inn, doesn't leave. However if you are doing the Thieves guild quests it is possible he locked inside his house.... unlikely but possible.
Likewise the Dunmer merchant is the one you frame for the theives guild, so could be in prison....

FPS being over 60 can affect the NPCs AI, causing weird behaviour.

Console commands do not disable achievements.
BUT NEVER RESURRECT NAMED DEAD NPCS, it will break you game. Not might break you game, WILL break your game, it doesn't matter on the command used, it is never safe.

And the entire quest to sell Frost is bugged.... His buyer will attack you because you have a stolen horse , Frost will attack enemies that can kill him easily. I just ignore that quest completely, the one time I completed it I looked at the measly few hundred gold rewrd, and loaded up a save from before I started it and undid it...... which was far more satisfying than completing the quest...

[Altbert]

To be a little more precise about Eorlund and Brand-Shei:

Eorlund is never essential not even when he is in a quest alias. He is at the Skyforge from 8am till 9pm and will be in House Gray-Mane during the other hours.
Brand-Shei also is never essential. He will be at his market stand from 7am till 8pm and will be in Haelga's Bunkhouse during the other hours. If you frame him during A Chance Arrangement, he will be in jail and never returns to his stand, unless you use the Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.

Eorlund and Brand-Shei have the WIDeadBodyCleanupScript attached to the base actor. This means that after death their bodies will be moved to a "dead cell" and a coffin or urn will be enabled in the Hall of the Dead. In this coffin or urn you will only find their belongings. The game only "knows" if they are dead, when their corpse is in the "dead cell".