An OP gun is not lore friendly!

[stgoyo10]

What are Bethesda thinking by releasing an OP gun as an official mod/creation?
They are not only screwing gameplay up but messing with the lore as well!
Guns play absolutely no part in any ES cannon (no pun intented).
Feel for Michael Kirkbride, seeing Bethesda make these moves. Makes a mockery of the wonderful universe he helped create.

[Bad Behavior Defender]

"Bethesda is messing with the canon that they created and they control"
You would have more credence if they modified Fallout lore.

[The Grand Mac]

I'm 100% certain black powder-propelled projectiles are part of the lore, due to such things as corsairs existing in Elder Scrolls as well, and cannons being a much more practical solution to long-range bombardment than Destruction Magick. As well as pistols and rifles being a way for those who can't train in such magick, being able to fight against people who can. This latter is my personal take, however.

[JakXLT]

Not that I would want guns in my game, crossbows are good enough, but... In fairness, explain to me how having the technology of powder exploding in a tube to propel a chunk of metal is something Skyrim can't have, I mean beyond the fact of nobody apparenlty having thought to do it yet? Genuine question.

[The Grand Mac]

Originally posted by JakXLT:

Not that I would want guns in my game, crossbows are good enough, but... In fairness, explain to me how having the technology of powder exploding in a tube to propel a chunk of metal is something Skyrim can't have, I mean beyond the fact of nobody apparenlty having thought to do it yet? Genuine question.

Better question, if we're talking something fairly primitive, then why are spears and halberds, as well as other common polearms I'm probably forgetting, not common use for people like guards in the cities?

[JakXLT]

Originally posted by The Grand Mac:

Originally posted by JakXLT:

Not that I would want guns in my game, crossbows are good enough, but... In fairness, explain to me how having the technology of powder exploding in a tube to propel a chunk of metal is something Skyrim can't have, I mean beyond the fact of nobody apparenlty having thought to do it yet? Genuine question.

Better question, if we're talking something fairly primitive, then why are spears and halberds, as well as other common polearms I'm probably forgetting, not common use for people like guards in the cities?

Well you need a strong stance to wield a 2 handed weapon and as we all know, the guards have bad knees.

[A. Silvermane]

OP or Balanced, Paid or Unpaid; a gun with the crossbow animation looks pretty stupid in Skyrim. Why do all gun mods operate like this?

[Schlumpsha]

Creations aren't official. It's but a marketplace platform hosted by Bethesda. And reading the FAQ of the verified creator program...

Content has no requirement to be lore friendly, although this is called out when that effort is made

Yep, checks out.

[Bansheebutt]

Originally posted by A. Silvermane:

OP or Balanced, Paid or Unpaid; a gun with the crossbow animation looks pretty stupid in Skyrim. Why do all gun mods operate like this?

Due to the way the game works, new animations for weapons are a pita to add. Not literally impossible, but certainly requiring script extender functionality that only relatively recently was achieved.

[Ki11s0n3]

So don't buy it.

[Fear2288]

Fairly certain the lore actually says that in Hammerfell, the Redguard have cannons on their ships.

True, a cannon is not the same as an arquebus, but the knowledge is there and it could be believable that, just as in reality, a smaller handheld iteration of a cannon wasn’t/isn’t far behind.

Regardless, this is a fantasy setting where not only magic exists but so do things such as steam power, mechanical automatons, and airships controlled by telepathy.

There’s even obscure references to the Dwemer creating spaceships.

The only believable reason handheld gunpowder projectile weapons don’t already exist in this universe is because no one really saw “the point” when you can make your hands into flamethrowers or blast someone 100 yards away with a lightning bolt.

In a way, bothering to create these kind of weapons would be like having cellphones but then deciding to invent the telegraph.

[Freeman]

Originally posted by Fear2288:

Fairly certain the lore actually says that in Hammerfell, the Redguard have cannons on their ships.

True, a cannon is not the same as an arquebus, but the knowledge is there and it could be believable that, just as in reality, a smaller handheld iteration of a cannon wasn’t/isn’t far behind.

Regardless, this is a fantasy setting where not only magic exists but so do things such as steam power, mechanical automatons, and airships controlled by telepathy.

There’s even obscure references to the Dwemer creating spaceships.

The only believable reason handheld gunpowder projectile weapons don’t already exist in this universe is because no one really saw “the point” when you can make your hands into flamethrowers or blast someone 100 yards away with a lightning bolt.

In a way, bothering to create these kind of weapons would be like having cellphones but then deciding to invent the telegraph.

Redguards do not and have never had cannons, gunpowder is not canon, nor did the Dwemer ever create spaceships.

[Fear2288]

Originally posted by Freeman:

Originally posted by Fear2288:

Fairly certain the lore actually says that in Hammerfell, the Redguard have cannons on their ships.

True, a cannon is not the same as an arquebus, but the knowledge is there and it could be believable that, just as in reality, a smaller handheld iteration of a cannon wasn’t/isn’t far behind.

Regardless, this is a fantasy setting where not only magic exists but so do things such as steam power, mechanical automatons, and airships controlled by telepathy.

There’s even obscure references to the Dwemer creating spaceships.

The only believable reason handheld gunpowder projectile weapons don’t already exist in this universe is because no one really saw “the point” when you can make your hands into flamethrowers or blast someone 100 yards away with a lightning bolt.

In a way, bothering to create these kind of weapons would be like having cellphones but then deciding to invent the telegraph.

Redguards do not and have never had cannons, gunpowder is not canon, nor did the Dwemer ever create spaceships.

Brush up on your lore, son

[Freeman]

Originally posted by Fear2288:

Originally posted by Freeman:

Redguards do not and have never had cannons, gunpowder is not canon, nor did the Dwemer ever create spaceships.

Brush up on your lore, son

Please, do provide a lore source that mentions cannons or Dwemer spaceships.

[JakXLT]

Originally posted by Freeman:

Originally posted by Fear2288:

Brush up on your lore, son

Please, do provide a lore source that mentions cannons or Dwemer spaceships.

"Why was the Sentinel army so useless during the War of Betony?

The cannons were too heavy, so all three garbage scows sunk."

-Jokes. A book in daggerfall.

You can't really joke about something that isn't conceived of so, there we go. Cannons are canon.

[MrNewVegas87]

Originally posted by Freeman:

Redguards do not and have never had cannons, gunpowder is not canon, nor did the Dwemer ever create spaceships.

There is a wiki article that highlights several instances of gunpowder, or something akin to gunpowder existing in lore of several games.

https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Gunpowder

It's not definitive proof, but it does point to several instances of it being potentially referenced and hinted at existing.