Safe to buy with recent update if I want to mod?

[Ctrekoz]

Install mods, not create. I can just downgrade and turn off auto-update, right?
Which version I should downgrate to, 1.5.97? Or most mods are up-to-date?
Or Bethesda will keep messing with people too hard and I should go off-Steam?

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

Yes though the newest update has some mods that are still not updated and a ton of hard to find beta fixes so if you go for the newest version I suggest using collections.

Or you can just downgrade to whatever version you want and go from there.

[sansee]

Buy the GOG version or downgrade the steam version to 1.6.640.

Or wait and hope that all mods will update... sometime in the future... if ever...

[th]

I would say for now the GOG version has an obvious upper hand over Steam's one.

[th]

Steam needs to understand that it is VERY bad to force updates. And it is also bad to lack an ability to easily install previous versions of the games. So better to bring our money to some other, much more reasonable party like GOG who understands this.

[ElRanchero]

Do not upgrade past 1.6.640. This will likely be end game similar to how 1.5.97 went down. There is another update coming this year to "fix" some of the problems they just created and it will continue to make things painful. Stick with either of the two versions above.

[jchaosmaster]

Originally posted by Ctrekoz:

Install mods, not create. I can just downgrade and turn off auto-update, right?
Which version I should downgrate to, 1.5.97? Or most mods are up-to-date?
Or Bethesda will keep messing with people too hard and I should go off-Steam?

as much as i hate i two would recommend the GoG version. If you don't know who that is it stand for Good Old Game. It's a market place ran by CDPR the same company that made the Witcher and Cyber punk game so they are 100% legit. They just specilize in selling DRM free game's and really old games. So some really classic softwere can be gotten for like dollers.

[sansee]

Technically, CD Projekt is the father, GOG is the blue son, and CDPR is the red sister. :D

[Sairek Ceareste]

Buy the GOG version if you really care about modding. Lets you choose whatever version you want for whatever your needs may be and it is DRM free.

I.E., you actually will own the game, and not just the license to play it like on Steam.

[sing901420]

1.5.97 is stable
many mods do not other version of skse

[UsernameTaken666]

Originally posted by Ctrekoz:

Install mods, not create. I can just downgrade and turn off auto-update, right?
Which version I should downgrate to, 1.5.97? Or most mods are up-to-date?
Or Bethesda will keep messing with people too hard and I should go off-Steam?

Jesus, just buy the game. Install it, then downgrade to 640. Version 5.597 is obsolete and you’ll get no support anywhere.

[Death Approaches]

STEAM does not force anything, Valve is running a digital distribution service, a multi-million dollar global business, and their content customers, game developers and publishers, control their own distribution depots. It's got precisely *nothing* to do with Valve. Steam is Steam.

Consider, one of the common tricks to stop updating is to make your appmanifest_<gameID>.acf a read-only file.

But

If you installed Steam under your user account, and the files are owned by your user account, then Steam has the same rights as you do! The very next Steam client update could have code that detects one of their files is set to RO, and change it to RW, and update it.

But is hasn't yet, has it? We've done this trick for many years. Valve is staying neutral, so far anyway.

We love Valve. Don't blame Valve for what Bethesda or BigDaddy Microsoft is doing.

[th]

Originally posted by Death Approaches:

STEAM does not force anything, Valve is running a digital distribution service, a multi-million dollar global business, and their content customers, game developers and publishers, control their own distribution depots. It's got precisely *nothing* to do with Valve. Steam is Steam.

Consider, one of the common tricks to stop updating is to make your appmanifest_<gameID>.acf a read-only file.

But

If you installed Steam under your user account, and the files are owned by your user account, then Steam has the same rights as you do! The very next Steam client update could have code that detects one of their files is set to RO, and change it to RW, and update it.

But is hasn't yet, has it? We've done this trick for many years. Valve is staying neutral, so far anyway.

We love Valve. Don't blame Valve for what Bethesda or BigDaddy Microsoft is doing.

Wrong. Totally wrong.

GOG is the same digital distribution service as Steam, yet GOG allows to install older versions of games and Steam does not. Simple example which proves you are wrong.

Steam forces updates, not developers and publishers of games. They make updates, not force them to be installed. Steam does that.

And you can't blame developers for making updates. It's just counter logical. You want to forbid bug fixes and new content? That's just ridiculous.

So it's Steam's fault exclusively. I repeat - using GOG as an example we can clearly see that there is a different way, much more gamer oriented one.

[ĿIFE oƒ ƤIE]

Originally posted by th:

Steam needs to understand that it is VERY bad to force updates. And it is also bad to lack an ability to easily install previous versions of the games. So better to bring our money to some other, much more reasonable party like GOG who understands this.

Originally posted by th:

Steam needs to understand that it is VERY bad to force updates. And it is also bad to lack an ability to easily install previous versions of the games. So better to bring our money to some other, much more reasonable party like GOG who understands this.

Speaking facts.

[shaaans]

If you install a modlist through Wabbajack, most popular ones will automatically downgrade your Skyrim so all the mods work. If you are installing them individually, then yea some won't be up to date and is up to the creator to update them to work. But it really is easy to downgrade your Skyrim, and its really easy to make Steam not force an update on your Skyrim if thats what you're worried about.

[Sairek Ceareste]

Originally posted by th:

Originally posted by Death Approaches:

STEAM does not force anything, Valve is running a digital distribution service, a multi-million dollar global business, and their content customers, game developers and publishers, control their own distribution depots. It's got precisely *nothing* to do with Valve. Steam is Steam.

Consider, one of the common tricks to stop updating is to make your appmanifest_<gameID>.acf a read-only file.

But

If you installed Steam under your user account, and the files are owned by your user account, then Steam has the same rights as you do! The very next Steam client update could have code that detects one of their files is set to RO, and change it to RW, and update it.

But is hasn't yet, has it? We've done this trick for many years. Valve is staying neutral, so far anyway.

We love Valve. Don't blame Valve for what Bethesda or BigDaddy Microsoft is doing.

Wrong. Totally wrong.

GOG is the same digital distribution service as Steam, yet GOG allows to install older versions of games and Steam does not. Simple example which proves you are wrong.

Steam forces updates, not developers and publishers of games. They make updates, not force them to be installed. Steam does that.

And you can't blame developers for making updates. It's just counter logical. You want to forbid bug fixes and new content? That's just ridiculous.

So it's Steam's fault exclusively. I repeat - using GOG as an example we can clearly see that there is a different way, much more gamer oriented one.

This is mostly true.

Developers can add versions for people to select on Steam via the betas tab, so if Bethesda really cared, they'd just let people select the version they wanted through that.

Steam has the option, but it's not default like GOG which is very lame.