Why is modding so overly complicated

[Boop]

I've followed 3 guides for modpacks and every single ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ time following the intructions to the letter, my game just refuses to launch. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ WHY

[th]

Three things. Steam, Bethesda and modders. All three of those parties do their work awfully.

Steam forces the updates on us.

Bethesda makes critical bugs.

Modders do s-word mods which are very poorly documented. And they abandon their mods. And they don't care good enough about compatibility issues.

[sdack]

It would only be half as fun if it was dead easy.

[Guts]

actually it was fine until the last update bethesda dropped out of nowhere. I am thinking about leaving skyrim and hop into fallout 4 for a while, at least that seems stable, for now.

[th]

Bethesda just dropped bugged update. Steam forced it on us. I repeat again - GOG for example allows to use older versions of games. So it's not Bethesda's fault but Steam's.

Bethesda's fault is bugs.

[Boop]

th lähetti viestin:

Bethesda just dropped bugged update. Steam forced it on us. I repeat again - GOG for example allows to use older versions of games. So it's not Bethesda's fault but Steam's.

Bethesda's fault is bugs.

So what can I do? Besides playing unmodded

[th]

Xavier lähetti viestin:

th lähetti viestin:

Bethesda just dropped bugged update. Steam forced it on us. I repeat again - GOG for example allows to use older versions of games. So it's not Bethesda's fault but Steam's.

Bethesda's fault is bugs.

So what can I do? Besides playing unmodded

Nothing. You have to deal with this. There is no any easier way sadly.

Well, GOG version was not updated. It's in much better shape at the moment in comparison with Steam version of the game.

[orcama60]

Hey Xavier ... it is but doable and here are my instructions; if they do not work, it would be because you did not follow them step by step :

1 - You need to reinstall Skyrim fresh.
2 - Go to : C:\ProgramFiles(86)\Steam\Steamapps\Skyrim Special Edition\ ... delete everything in there and backspace and delete the Skyrim folder.
3 - Go to : Documents\My Games\Skyrim Special Edition\ ... delete all the .ini files in there, backspace and delete the Skyrim folder.
4 - Uninstall Skyrim in Steam
5 - Empty your Recyble Bin
6 - Restart your PC

NOTE : if you were using VORTEX, then before you do the above steps, do this :

a - In VORTEX MODS section, highlight all the mods and disable them
b - in the same section, remove all the mods
c - in VORTEX SAVE GAMES section, highlight all the files and remove them all
d - In VORTEX, take a look under SETTINGS in your MODS tab ... you will see there, the location of your MOD STAGING FOLDER .... go to that location in your PC and make sure that you do not have any mod in there ... DO NOT DELETE ANYTHING ELSE ... just the mods if there are any.
e - in VORTEX, take a look under SETTINGS in your DOWNLOAD tab ... you will see there the location of the folder you created when you first installed VORTEX ... go to that location in your PC and delete all the mods ( do not delete the folder )

Now, you have remove SKYRIM completely from your PC and you can start fresh.

______________________________________________

Starting fresh instructions :

1 - Leave VORTEX open and minimize it
2 - Install Skyrim in Steam
2a - Open Skyrim Properties, Update and make sure that your game : only update when you launch it and never in the background.
3 - Once it is installed, launch it from the icon in your desktop ... in that window ( skyrim icon ) make sure that you choose your resolution and in Advance all the features according to what you want and click ok in both to save any changes.
4 - Play your game vanilla
5 - When you get to Riverwood, save it and exit
6 - Go to : Documents\MyGames\Skyrim Special Edition\ and open your Pref.ini file with a notepad
7 - Scroll down till you get to : [LAUNCHER] and add this line :
bEnableFileSelection=1 and save the file
8 - Now you are ready to mod your game via NEXUX / VORTEX

NOTE : If you have the latest game's version : 1.6.1130 .... you must install mods that matchs that version, especially, SKSE ( for that game's version, you should install SKSE version 2.2.5 ) and Address Library.
I can tell you that the below list of essential mods are working cause I am using them with the latest game's version :


- Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch - USSEP - INSTALL THIS ONE FIRST AND THE OTHERS BELOW :
- Modern Brawl Bug Fix
- Cutting Room Floor - SSE
- Static Mesh Improvement Mod - SMIM
- High Poly Project
- SKSE ( NOTE : Install this mod when it is required by other mod as you go down the list ... go to : https://skse.silverlock.org and choose file : build 2.2.5 ( if you are using the latest game version 1.6.1130 )
- Blended Roads
- Skyrim 202x by Pfushcer ( THIS IS YOUR TEXTURE MOD ... if you do not like it or you want to install other, it is your choice, but if you pick this one, make sure that you install THIS mod in this order :
a - Skyrim 202x 9.0 - ARCHITECTURE PART 1
B - Skyrim 202x 9.0 - LANDSCAPE PART 2
c - Skyrim 202x 9.0.1 - OTHER PART 3
d - Skyrim 202x 9.0 to 9.7.1 UPDATE ( override all prior files in VORTEX )
e - FROM OPTIONAL FILES .. I do recommend that you install :
f - 7 Mountain Textures with FOMOD installer
g - Blended Roads Retexture ( override Blended Roads )
h - Snow Alternative 1
i - Whiterun City Wall - Alternative 1
j - Whiterun Street - Alternative 1 ( in VORTEX, choose this one to override all others )
- Simplicity of Snow
- Simple Snow Improvements - Skyrim Fixes ( BOS )
- Snowy Surface Sound Collision and Aesthetics ( install them in that order - all snow mods - )
- Realistic Water Two
- Better Water - for Realistic Water Two
- Better Watercolor and Transparency for Realistic Water Two
- TB's Riften Wall
- TB's Parallax Towers
- Glorious Doors of Skyrim - GDOS
- Whiterun has walls ( override GDOS -
- Racemenu
- Racemenu High Heels
- SkyUI
- Powerofthree Tweaks
- Powerofthree Papyrus Extender
- Frozen Electrocuted Combustion
- Base Object Swapper
- Go to bed
- MCM Helper
- Wider MCM Menu
- JContainers
- PapyrusUtil SE - Modders Scripting Utility Functions
- Sleep Tight SE
- Sleep Tight SE Fixes
- Double Beds for spooning SE
- Double Beds for Spooning - DAR
- Sleep for me now
- Fores New Idles in Skyrim SE - FNIS
- XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended - XPMSSE ( Install only the main files or whatever VORTEX prompt you to )
- Flower Girls SE and VR
- FNIS Sexy Move SE
- Dynamic Animation Replacer
- Animation Selector for Flower Girls SE
- Dragon Claws Auto-unlock
- Revert Fortify Restoration Fix of the Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch
- Stronger Unrelenting Force
- Infinite Shouts ( no cooldown )
- Lockpicking Interface Redone
- Easy lockpicking
- Golden rings of Crafting
- Just a prank bro ...
- No player fall damage

After all of those mods, you can install your preference for :
- Armor, player home, enemies ( like OBIS, Genesis, vampires, etc ), fauna and flora, map, ENB ( install ENB series from enbdev.com/download_mod_tesskyrimse.html ... choose top file - v0.499 - ), etc, etc, etc ....

IMPORTANT NOTE :
- After you install SKSE, launch the game via SKSE to find out if it is working properly. If so, continue downloading and every 5 mods that you install, launch the game again via SKSE to see if the game is launching properly.
- DO NOT install SSE Engine Fixes ( skse64 plugin ) ... I do not know yet if this mod is properly working and it may crash your game or give you an error when you launch your game )
- Mfg Fix ( the author has not responded if this mod is working without being updated )
- SSE Parallax Shader Fix ( BETA ) ... I do not know if it has been updated
- ConsoleUtilSSE by Fudgyduff ... I do not know if this mod has been updated
- ENB Helper ... the author has not responded yet

After you finish dowloading / installing your game, ALWAYS launch your game as follows :
- from VORTEX, launch FNIS and Update the behavior .. once loaded ..
- from VORTEX launch SKSE ( your game )

All the mods that I listed are working as intended, but I do recommend that you read the Description, Requirements, Post and Bugs section and you decide if you want to install them.
Always read, read and read : DESCRIPTION, REQUIREMENTS, POST and BUGS of every single mod that you want to install. If a mod has a lot of bugs that the author has not addressed them, I will not install that mod. If there are a lot of players complaining about the mod not working ( in the POST section ), I will not install that mod.
Pay special attention to REQUIREMENTS ... some mods requires other mods to be installed and when you open those mods, they also requires other mods at the same time ... so be careful and read.

LAST BUT NOT THE LEAST :
After you install a mod in VORTEX, depending of your own settings, it should Enable the plugin automatically in the PLUGIN section but ... for example, RACEMENU does not install the plugin automatically so it is important that you check your plugin section every other mod to find out if it has been Enabled in the PLUGIN section.

Happy Gaming.

[sansee]

Get it on GOG instead; no DRM, no forced client and no forced updates.

Then there's mods like USSEP, Engine Fixes and SSE Display Fixes among others to deal with bugs.

[slobbery vomit]

did you do your lessons today?

[UsernameTaken666]

If if it were easy, it’d be no fun. All it takes is some reading, research, and trial and error. Also..some patience ;)

[Boop]

orcama60 lähetti viestin:

Hey Xavier ... it is but doable and here are my instructions; if they do not work, it would be because you did not follow them step by step :

1 - You need to reinstall Skyrim fresh.
2 - Go to : C:\ProgramFiles(86)\Steam\Steamapps\Skyrim Special Edition\ ... delete everything in there and backspace and delete the Skyrim folder.
3 - Go to : Documents\My Games\Skyrim Special Edition\ ... delete all the .ini files in there, backspace and delete the Skyrim folder.
4 - Uninstall Skyrim in Steam
5 - Empty your Recyble Bin
6 - Restart your PC

NOTE : if you were using VORTEX, then before you do the above steps, do this :

a - In VORTEX MODS section, highlight all the mods and disable them
b - in the same section, remove all the mods
c - in VORTEX SAVE GAMES section, highlight all the files and remove them all
d - In VORTEX, take a look under SETTINGS in your MODS tab ... you will see there, the location of your MOD STAGING FOLDER .... go to that location in your PC and make sure that you do not have any mod in there ... DO NOT DELETE ANYTHING ELSE ... just the mods if there are any.
e - in VORTEX, take a look under SETTINGS in your DOWNLOAD tab ... you will see there the location of the folder you created when you first installed VORTEX ... go to that location in your PC and delete all the mods ( do not delete the folder )

Now, you have remove SKYRIM completely from your PC and you can start fresh.

______________________________________________

Starting fresh instructions :

1 - Leave VORTEX open and minimize it
2 - Install Skyrim in Steam
2a - Open Skyrim Properties, Update and make sure that your game : only update when you launch it and never in the background.
3 - Once it is installed, launch it from the icon in your desktop ... in that window ( skyrim icon ) make sure that you choose your resolution and in Advance all the features according to what you want and click ok in both to save any changes.
4 - Play your game vanilla
5 - When you get to Riverwood, save it and exit
6 - Go to : Documents\MyGames\Skyrim Special Edition\ and open your Pref.ini file with a notepad
7 - Scroll down till you get to : [LAUNCHER] and add this line :
bEnableFileSelection=1 and save the file
8 - Now you are ready to mod your game via NEXUX / VORTEX

NOTE : If you have the latest game's version : 1.6.1130 .... you must install mods that matchs that version, especially, SKSE ( for that game's version, you should install SKSE version 2.2.5 ) and Address Library.
I can tell you that the below list of essential mods are working cause I am using them with the latest game's version :


- Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch - USSEP - INSTALL THIS ONE FIRST AND THE OTHERS BELOW :
- Modern Brawl Bug Fix
- Cutting Room Floor - SSE
- Static Mesh Improvement Mod - SMIM
- High Poly Project
- SKSE ( NOTE : Install this mod when it is required by other mod as you go down the list ... go to : https://skse.silverlock.org and choose file : build 2.2.5 ( if you are using the latest game version 1.6.1130 )
- Blended Roads
- Skyrim 202x by Pfushcer ( THIS IS YOUR TEXTURE MOD ... if you do not like it or you want to install other, it is your choice, but if you pick this one, make sure that you install THIS mod in this order :
a - Skyrim 202x 9.0 - ARCHITECTURE PART 1
B - Skyrim 202x 9.0 - LANDSCAPE PART 2
c - Skyrim 202x 9.0.1 - OTHER PART 3
d - Skyrim 202x 9.0 to 9.7.1 UPDATE ( override all prior files in VORTEX )
e - FROM OPTIONAL FILES .. I do recommend that you install :
f - 7 Mountain Textures with FOMOD installer
g - Blended Roads Retexture ( override Blended Roads )
h - Snow Alternative 1
i - Whiterun City Wall - Alternative 1
j - Whiterun Street - Alternative 1 ( in VORTEX, choose this one to override all others )
- Simplicity of Snow
- Simple Snow Improvements - Skyrim Fixes ( BOS )
- Snowy Surface Sound Collision and Aesthetics ( install them in that order - all snow mods - )
- Realistic Water Two
- Better Water - for Realistic Water Two
- Better Watercolor and Transparency for Realistic Water Two
- TB's Riften Wall
- TB's Parallax Towers
- Glorious Doors of Skyrim - GDOS
- Whiterun has walls ( override GDOS -
- Racemenu
- Racemenu High Heels
- SkyUI
- Powerofthree Tweaks
- Powerofthree Papyrus Extender
- Frozen Electrocuted Combustion
- Base Object Swapper
- Go to bed
- MCM Helper
- Wider MCM Menu
- JContainers
- PapyrusUtil SE - Modders Scripting Utility Functions
- Sleep Tight SE
- Sleep Tight SE Fixes
- Double Beds for spooning SE
- Double Beds for Spooning - DAR
- Sleep for me now
- Fores New Idles in Skyrim SE - FNIS
- XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended - XPMSSE ( Install only the main files or whatever VORTEX prompt you to )
- Flower Girls SE and VR
- FNIS Sexy Move SE
- Dynamic Animation Replacer
- Animation Selector for Flower Girls SE
- Dragon Claws Auto-unlock
- Revert Fortify Restoration Fix of the Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch
- Stronger Unrelenting Force
- Infinite Shouts ( no cooldown )
- Lockpicking Interface Redone
- Easy lockpicking
- Golden rings of Crafting
- Just a prank bro ...
- No player fall damage

After all of those mods, you can install your preference for :
- Armor, player home, enemies ( like OBIS, Genesis, vampires, etc ), fauna and flora, map, ENB ( install ENB series from enbdev.com/download_mod_tesskyrimse.html ... choose top file - v0.499 - ), etc, etc, etc ....

IMPORTANT NOTE :
- After you install SKSE, launch the game via SKSE to find out if it is working properly. If so, continue downloading and every 5 mods that you install, launch the game again via SKSE to see if the game is launching properly.
- DO NOT install SSE Engine Fixes ( skse64 plugin ) ... I do not know yet if this mod is properly working and it may crash your game or give you an error when you launch your game )
- Mfg Fix ( the author has not responded if this mod is working without being updated )
- SSE Parallax Shader Fix ( BETA ) ... I do not know if it has been updated
- ConsoleUtilSSE by Fudgyduff ... I do not know if this mod has been updated
- ENB Helper ... the author has not responded yet

After you finish dowloading / installing your game, ALWAYS launch your game as follows :
- from VORTEX, launch FNIS and Update the behavior .. once loaded ..
- from VORTEX launch SKSE ( your game )

All the mods that I listed are working as intended, but I do recommend that you read the Description, Requirements, Post and Bugs section and you decide if you want to install them.
Always read, read and read : DESCRIPTION, REQUIREMENTS, POST and BUGS of every single mod that you want to install. If a mod has a lot of bugs that the author has not addressed them, I will not install that mod. If there are a lot of players complaining about the mod not working ( in the POST section ), I will not install that mod.
Pay special attention to REQUIREMENTS ... some mods requires other mods to be installed and when you open those mods, they also requires other mods at the same time ... so be careful and read.

LAST BUT NOT THE LEAST :
After you install a mod in VORTEX, depending of your own settings, it should Enable the plugin automatically in the PLUGIN section but ... for example, RACEMENU does not install the plugin automatically so it is important that you check your plugin section every other mod to find out if it has been Enabled in the PLUGIN section.

Happy Gaming.

(P:S never played skyrim before)
I've installed every mod except for fnis sexy move SE (got an error ingame) and am now at the ENB point. wtf does an enb do and what do i need it for?


Also because my game seems to be working, I love you. Marry me

[UsernameTaken666]

Glad your game is working. Also I appreciate you showing appreciation for the help :)
Imho, you really don’t need ENB. Ymmv of course but I just use Reshade and it works for me. I’m sure others will chime in but good luck.

[stifflips]

My advice, just use wabbajack. It's a neat little piece of software that automatically installs curated modlists onto your machine. Sure, some files will need to be manually downloaded but usually the author will provide pretty clear instructions. Personally, I have been running a list called "Vagabond" for a few months and it works like charm.

[Moelester]

try the 1.640 ver instead of the current game version, most of the mods can't run on the new version

[The Nameless]

th lähetti viestin:

Three things. Steam, Bethesda and modders. All three of those parties do their work awfully.

Steam forces the updates on us.

Bethesda makes critical bugs.

Modders do s-word mods which are very poorly documented. And they abandon their mods. And they don't care good enough about compatibility issues.

Mod users are part of the problem too. They expect modders to treat each mod like a job and commit ourselves to them for the rest of our lives.

Fun fact: modders don't get paid. (No, I for one am not going to start bothering with Bethesda's push toward paid modding; too much hassle, and it seems like a move away from freedom, which I strongly dislike.) If we share our mods at all, most of us just drop a mod we made for ourselves; anyone who likes it is welcome to use it, and if we keep playing the game at all maybe we'll update it if we find problems with it.

Otherwise, no, modding isn't a job most of us get paid for or that is worth trying to get paid for. If the mods don't work, you're free to learn modding for yourself and fix the mod for yourself. Some modders will even let you upload fixed versions if you ask them and if they've moved on.

Just be aware that if you do upload a mod, whether original or fix of someone else's, your entitled mod users will think you have a holy obligation to fix all the problems they have with it for free and forever, AND to add to it and improve it--according to THEIR instructions--until it equals the quality and scope of AAA DLC content.

Most don't get abusive about it and don't even realize they're being entitled and forgetting that we're unpaid and have zero obligations. But there's the occasional nasty. I never did bother reading the complaints myself.