Why with every new game in elder scroll series a lot of content is cut out?

[UIE First Citizen]

So Elder Scrolls II Daggerfall had extensive, I mean extensive, character creator options compared to the following games in the series.
Morrowind pales in comparison to Daggerfall when it comes to skills, creating unique characters, etc.
Daggerfall had one massive flaw that environments were generated as you explore them.
In Morrowind, you got this feeling of getting stronger since there was no level sync you felt stronger every time you level not weaker.
In Oblivion, they eliminated medium armor skill; not to mention the number of guilds was cut by half plus removing the requirements to advance in a specific guild.
Skyrim reintroduced level scaling to a degree but they also removed aspects like character attributes like strength, luck, etc. Not to mention permanent star signs.
With every game in ES franchise, it is harder and harder to create unique characters.
In Morrowind if i went and created a fighter-type archetype character I couldn't advance in mages guild or Televani Great House because of skills requirements. I take it back, it was possible but I would have to spend a ton of gold on learning specific skills.
In Oblivion, on the other hand, i could become the archmage of the mage guild despite not being experienced in any type of magic, which is absurd.
Why exactly with every new game set in Tamriel, the new game is stripped down compared to the previous one?

[Boboscus]

You think this is an exclusively Elder Scrolls thing? Look at any franchise ever that still exists today, it's all a dumbed down version of their former selves, why? Because new game development sacrifices features for other things, especially graphics and design, nowadays "gamers" only care about "realistic" looking characters, that take up so much time and effort to do, it's not worth wasting time on some niche features or gameplay mechanics that will only be praised by very few individuals. The short answer is, modern gamers don't care about games, they care about presentation, which sucks, so thank your fellow noobs that came into the industry only for the bling, not actual gameplay.

[alexander_dougherty]

Yeah, most gamers are hung up on how it looks, rather than how it plays.....
I personally like a game to look nice, but prefer an ugly game that plays well to a nice looking game that doesn't.....
Hell if you wait long enough people start praising games whose looks they used to disparage, like Zelda:Wind Waker for example (plenty of people now praise that look)

[jchaosmaster]

Honestly I blame console for the true dumbing down. I mean Morrowwind could have been so much more if it had not had to run on the XBox. At the same time morr players found the game on Xbox then pc I would bet.

[Soldner42]

Originally posted by jchaosmaster:

Honestly I blame console for the true dumbing down. I mean Morrowwind could have been so much more if it had not had to run on the XBox. At the same time morr players found the game on Xbox then pc I would bet.

Well.. PC still is a Minority in the Gaming Market.
If i remember correctly, the List was like this:
-Mobile Phones
-Consoles (Xbox, Playstation, Switch)
-PC (~5%)

And that List isnt about Players, because many have multiple Systems. Its about Profits.

[Zero McDol]

Originally posted by Soldner42:

Originally posted by jchaosmaster:

Honestly I blame console for the true dumbing down. I mean Morrowwind could have been so much more if it had not had to run on the XBox. At the same time morr players found the game on Xbox then pc I would bet.

Well.. PC still is a Minority in the Gaming Market.
If i remember correctly, the List was like this:
-Mobile Phones
-Consoles (Xbox, Playstation, Switch)
-PC (~5%)

And that List isnt about Players, because many have multiple Systems. Its about Profits.

That was the case maybe 10 years ago. That isn't the case now for Consoles vs PC. PC held the majority for Cyberpunk 2077 against both the PS4 and Xbox (series?) combined in 2020, and will probably hold the majority for current gen games.

[Soldner42]

Originally posted by Zero McDol:

Originally posted by Soldner42:

Well.. PC still is a Minority in the Gaming Market.
If i remember correctly, the List was like this:
-Mobile Phones
-Consoles (Xbox, Playstation, Switch)
-PC (~5%)

And that List isnt about Players, because many have multiple Systems. Its about Profits.

That was the case maybe 10 years ago. That isn't the case now for Consoles vs PC. PC held the majority for Cyberpunk 2077 against both the PS4 and Xbox (series?) combined in 2020, and will probably hold the majority for current gen games.

Cyberpunkt is a bad example as when it released, the current Gen Consoles were barely accessable and last gen Consoles werent even able to run Cyberpunk properly, not to mention that it was ugly, buggy as hell and lacked promised Content. So its only Logical that People avoided Cyberpunk. Every Review from back then advised to avoid Cyberpunk at all cost until the Devs fixed it.

[Zero McDol]

Originally posted by Soldner42:

Originally posted by Zero McDol:

That was the case maybe 10 years ago. That isn't the case now for Consoles vs PC. PC held the majority for Cyberpunk 2077 against both the PS4 and Xbox (series?) combined in 2020, and will probably hold the majority for current gen games.

Cyberpunkt is a bad example as when it released, the current Gen Consoles were barely accessable and last gen Consoles werent even able to run Cyberpunk properly, not to mention that it was ugly, buggy as hell and lacked promised Content. So its only Logical that People avoided Cyberpunk. Every Review from back then advised to avoid Cyberpunk at all cost until the Devs fixed it.

That was after the fact.

The game got a massive amount of preorders beforehand, which is why I bring it up. Consoles were nowhere near PC in sales, and Cyberpunk didn't even hit the new consoles until early 2022 with the next gen release. It was playable in current gen consoles in 2021, but was still the old gen version.

Of course, time will tell which is the most popular of the platforms, however regardless, the PC platform is way more popular now than it used to be.

[Steel]

You should check out the Requiem overhaul for Skyrim, it retrofits the entire game into a fixed world with no scaling and consistent rules, and brings proper builds back so you can't do everything in a single character and need to specialize to be good at any one thing.
It feels like Morrowind in that you start really weak and by the mid-late game you are a god that only select types of enemies can touch.

[jchaosmaster]

Originally posted by Soldner42:

Originally posted by jchaosmaster:

Honestly I blame console for the true dumbing down. I mean Morrowwind could have been so much more if it had not had to run on the XBox. At the same time morr players found the game on Xbox then pc I would bet.

Well.. PC still is a Minority in the Gaming Market.
If i remember correctly, the List was like this:
-Mobile Phones
-Consoles (Xbox, Playstation, Switch)
-PC (~5%)

And that List inst about Players, because many have multiple Systems. Its about Profits.

Sorry i more was meaning compared to the power of the PC the Consoles always are the weakest machines. I mean they were top dog with say PS5/Xbox X but as soon as the 50 cards or what ever match s them from the other Part's makers come out that will kinda render them the weakest again.

As to again the blaming Consles it's more specifically the PS3 i blame as it was the weakest machine. And yes it had most power and features but it's bizarre memory allocation that did a lot of damage to Ps3 games. I can say that because the lead dev's did mulitple interviews on FONV and said they had to nerf a number of cool idea's to get the game to work on the PS3. More even now you almost never see PS3 games re released. It's always like a Vita port or something. Plus like a couple Youtubes i watch said it's common for such thing to happen when PC games attempt to come to Consoles.

[jchaosmaster]

Originally posted by Zero McDol:

Originally posted by Soldner42:

Well.. PC still is a Minority in the Gaming Market.
If i remember correctly, the List was like this:
-Mobile Phones
-Consoles (Xbox, Playstation, Switch)
-PC (~5%)

And that List isnt about Players, because many have multiple Systems. Its about Profits.

That was the case maybe 10 years ago. That isn't the case now for Consoles vs PC. PC held the majority for Cyberpunk 2077 against both the PS4 and Xbox (series?) combined in 2020, and will probably hold the majority for current gen games.

Honestly i pretty positive when they do break down sadly phone still win. That's why they keep attempting to bring Mobile market tactics to console and pc games.

[Franzosisch]

Originally posted by jchaosmaster:

Originally posted by Zero McDol:

That was the case maybe 10 years ago. That isn't the case now for Consoles vs PC. PC held the majority for Cyberpunk 2077 against both the PS4 and Xbox (series?) combined in 2020, and will probably hold the majority for current gen games.

Honestly i pretty positive when they do break down sadly phone still win. That's why they keep attempting to bring Mobile market tactics to console and pc games.

Something you need to keep in mind when bringing up mobile games is those studies include moms playing candy crush. Something most people wouldn't consider gaming. Including mobile "gamers" in any argument like this is irrelevant. That's why they keep failing to bring mobile markets to other platforms. There isn't actually a player base for it.

[jchaosmaster]

Originally posted by Franzosisch:

Originally posted by jchaosmaster:

Honestly i pretty positive when they do break down sadly phone still win. That's why they keep attempting to bring Mobile market tactics to console and pc games.

Something you need to keep in mind when bringing up mobile games is those studies include moms playing candy crush. Something most people wouldn't consider gaming. Including mobile "gamers" in any argument like this is irrelevant. That's why they keep failing to bring mobile markets to other platforms. There isn't actually a player base for it.

Oh i 100% understand that and do know that but it doesn't change the fact that where gaming bring in more money then All other form's of entertainment but in that same breath Mobile games make more money then All PC/ Console games.

But again i state i blame consoles because Bethesda built there game for a Console player first and PC second. that was massive problem with star field because there is a few GOOD space games out there which meant people to compare It against. What game did Skyrim have go compare againt. The witcher 3 came out after it and Dark Souls was still obscure but you know ES6 will be put against elden ring, lords of the fallen, and other dark fantasy games.

[theo]

By the way, didn't they revert dumbing down in Starfield, bringing back some of the complexity? (Haven't played, just from what I heard)
If that's the case, look how Skyrim audience reacted to it and there's your answer.

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by theo:

By the way, didn't they revert dumbing down in Starfield, bringing back some of the complexity? (Haven't played, just from what I heard)
If that's the case, look how Skyrim audience reacted to it and there's your answer.

Starfields problem is it's unmoddable and has tons of empty planets..... complexity only works if there is content.

[ĿIFE oƒ ƤIE]

Originally posted by theo:

By the way, didn't they revert dumbing down in Starfield, bringing back some of the complexity? (Haven't played, just from what I heard)
If that's the case, look how Skyrim audience reacted to it and there's your answer.

Nah it uses a perk system like Fallout 4 where you complete challenges to unlock the higher level perks.