Maven Black-Briar and her big mouth

[Falesz]

The thing that always just infuriated me about the dumbed down-edness of the RPG aspect of this game is that I can't put Maven Black-Briar in her place. I mean I'm basically a demigod with the soul of a dragon, capable of Shouting in the language of the dragons, a power that ripped the High King into pieces according to witnesses. I'm the Arch-Mage of the College of Winterhold. I could blow up the entire Ratway, the Riften Guard and any private army she can throw at me with spells like Fire Storm, freeze them all to death with Blizzard or if I so desire, I could just paralyze them all with Mass Paralysis and go around slitting their throats one by one with my enchanted and legendarily crafted Dragonbone dagger. Or I could just not do any of that, but let them chip away at my health with their pathetic little attacks for an hour since I have an armor rating of over 1000 and then just heal myself back up to full health in an instant with Grand Healing, and then annihilate them in the aforementioned ways. All of that, and she has the nerve to insult me, order me around and threaten me in case I "mess up her job". Lady, I can do whatever I want.

Well, I could if only the game allowed me. This single character and her artificial invulnerability and plot armor really ruins the whole power fantasy that this game is about for me.

[Igloo9201]

god forbid women do anything

[Falesz]

What?

[Duneman]

It's because she is there to take over if you hand the city to the Imperials, and shows up for the Thieves Guild questline.

[Falesz]

I know, I'm doing the Thieves Guild questline now, I'v been playing the game for 12 years. And it's always been annoying to have to take her ♥♥♥♥.

[xybolt]

You're ranting here for being not able to be in a power fantasy, just because she's able to offend you? Heh. I had a chuckle.

It's just who she is ... seriously.

[theo]

What do you mean single character, half of the NPCs are invulnerable.
So yeah you're not as powerful as the game tells you if you try to go off the rails of Skyrim theme park train

[Lux]

Just make her hot with a mod and call it a day

[Total Saikou]

You can make her mortal if you use console commands, setessential (Base NPC ID) 0. More info is on the Wiki below, read carefully and save before doing this. I think you can also use mods to do this too, like Amazing Follower Tweaks, though I haven't used it for that myself. Hope this somewhat helps.

en.uesp.net/wiki/skyrim:console

[Junipercat]

Originally posted by Igloo9201:

god forbid women do anything

Has nothing to do with her being a woman. The school you went to must need donations if they couldn't teach you how to read properly. Go through the original post again. Sound it out if you must to better understand it.

The issue is that it is a despicable character that there is no option built into the game to give her any form of consequence that would be satisfying to the player. And though the game is not a pure power fantasy, it does give a decent amount of illusion to that fact. This one character puts a fly in the ointment as it were.

[sdevitt526]

She didnt like that i burned more than 3 bee hives

[Falesz]

Originally posted by theo:

What do you mean single character, half of the NPCs are invulnerable.
So yeah you're not as powerful as the game tells you if you try to go off the rails of Skyrim theme park train

Haha, right, but none of them are as insufferable and arrogant as Maven.

Originally posted by Total Saikou:

You can make her mortal if you use console commands, setessential (Base NPC ID) 0. More info is on the Wiki below, read carefully and save before doing this. I think you can also use mods to do this too, like Amazing Follower Tweaks, though I haven't used it for that myself. Hope this somewhat helps.

en.uesp.net/wiki/skyrim:console

That doesn't solve anything. If I just removed her Essential tag and incinerated her like she deserves, it would simply break a bunch of quests and give me a single ragdoll like any bandit I kill on the roads. What I needed with this character is actual roleplaying, something like teaming up with Mjoll and taking the hag down so that it hurts her ego first and foremost. I might not even want to kill her, I just want to demolish her entire criminal empire and then get a dialogue option saying something like "Next time think twice before insulting a master mage in dragonscale armor" or such. This would require a full questline though, and as theo put it, the Skyrim theme train doesn't go that way.

Or hell, I might have just joined the Thieves guild and told them "change of plans here, we're no longer licking Maven's boots, we are taking over her businesses directly, because she needs to go down."

Originally posted by sdevitt526:

She didnt like that i burned more than 3 bee hives

I know, but at that point I was already roleplaying the enthusiastic young thief who just joined up, so I wanted to show Brynjolf that I'm way better than Vex and I can do the job perfectly and without a hitch.

[Neo]

Yeah there should of been an option to put her in her place if you didn't side with the thieves guild and/or she didn't become Jarl. Or at least made it so she addressed you with respect, since the dragonborn is the one who got the guild back on it's feet again and basically put her into power as Jarl.

[xybolt]

Originally posted by Csöpper:

Originally posted by sdevitt526:

She didnt like that i burned more than 3 bee hives

I know, but at that point I was already roleplaying the enthusiastic young thief who just joined up, so I wanted to show Brynjolf that I'm way better than Vex and I can do the job perfectly and without a hitch.

err, if you can do the job "perfectly", you should have followed Brynjolf's instructions to the letter. He said to burn three. He's your mentor after all, you are new to the thieves guild. So, it is understandable that you aren't rewarded if you've burned more than three.

But ... that really depends on other circumstances as well. I've had a luck to not experience it myself but there are stories of others that have gotten a dragon attack on the moment that they broke in. This led to all beehives burned down.

[Falesz]

Originally posted by xybolt:

Originally posted by Csöpper:

I know, but at that point I was already roleplaying the enthusiastic young thief who just joined up, so I wanted to show Brynjolf that I'm way better than Vex and I can do the job perfectly and without a hitch.

err, if you can do the job "perfectly", you should have followed Brynjolf's instructions to the letter. He said to burn three. He's your mentor after all, you are new to the thieves guild. So, it is understandable that you aren't rewarded if you've burned more than three.

But ... that really depends on other circumstances as well. I've had a luck to not experience it myself but there are stories of others that have gotten a dragon attack on the moment that they broke in. This led to all beehives burned down.

I just said I only burned 3 because I wanted to do the job perfectly. But in doing so, I played into Maven's hands, which I don't like.

[xybolt]

Originally posted by Csöpper:

I just said I only burned 3 because I wanted to do the job perfectly. But in doing so, I played into Maven's hands, which I don't like.

Ah, I misinterpret your post then. My apologises.

Yeah, I don't like Maven as well. As Lux has said, use mods to find a way out :)

After a brief search, you can use these two
- Be the High King (a hilarious one) https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/4496

or
- Have thieves guild be a Robin Hood group https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/10745
That gives you an option to tone down Maven