Phinis Gestor doesn't have adept level spells from the Necromantic Grimoire

[Nox Ffred Dragon]

I've got Skyrim Anniversary Edition and downloaded all Creation Club content. I specifically checked and verified the Necromantic Grimoire is listed as "OWNED" and "INSTALLED" via the main menu/creation club

I went in to see him with a conjuration skill of 45. He trained me to 50. I then looked at his spell book inventory and could find the adept level Conjure Skeleton Champion spell I wanted to buy.

Here are some observations and things I tried:

*He has novice and adept level Necromantic Grimoire spell....so they game seems to recognize that I have that creation content

*He has adept level spells which don't require Necromantic Grimoire (i.e. Bound Bow), so the game seems to recognize that I'm adept level (my skill just flipped to 50 from his training)

*I left the Hall, back to the courtyard and waited 36 game hours and the adept level Necromantic Grimoire spells still are not in his inventory.

This is the first game I'm playing with Creation Content so I'm hoping I'm just misunderstanding a requirement or something.

Anyone have any ideas on this?

Is there another place to get the Conjure Skeleton Champion spell? This is the source which said Phinis sells it.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Spells#Conjuration_Spells


Thanks much for any insights anyone may have!


UPDATE: he has adept level spells from other creation club content (i.e. Bound Quiver)

UPDATE: I came back after doing some adventures and the "missing" spells are still not in his inventory.

[Skumboni]

Is your Magicka level high enough to cast those spells? Other trainers only offer what you can learn.

[steventirey]

Originally posted by Skumboni:

Is your Magicka level high enough to cast those spells? Other trainers only offer what you can learn.

Your amount of magicka has no bearing on what spells are available to learn. Only the skill level of the appropriate school matters when determining if a spell is available to buy, though if I remember right in this specific case (the Necromantic Grimoire stuff) your overall character level also impacts whether or not the spells are available to buy.

Edit: From the same wiki as linked above, in regards top the Necromantic Grimoire pack:

All thirteen of the spell tomes can be purchased from Phinis Gestor usually in his room on the ground floor of the Hall of Countenance. A character level of 46 on up is required to get all thirteen to generate within Phinis Gestor’s inventory (especially the two Master rank spells: Bone Colossus and Ancient Deathpriest.) These master rank spells can be acquired in this manner but these two may take awhile to randomly generate. Conjuration skill level alone doesn't seem to affect the probability of these generating. It doesn’t require completion of the "Conjuration Ritual Spell" radiant quest but it wouldn't hurt to build the conjuration level up to further reduce the casting cost. At least half the cost must be reduced to be able to cast the two master rank spells at all. This can be done easily and quickly by using the Reset Merchant Inventory glitch.

Contrary to normal Conjuration spell tomes, Necromantic Grimoire spell tomes appear in shops based on the same level you would find these tomes as loot. Novice tomes are found at level 1, Apprentice at level 11+, Adept at level 23+, expert at level 35+, and master at level 46+.

[Nox Ffred Dragon]

Originally posted by Skumboni:

Is your Magicka level high enough to cast those spells? Other trainers only offer what you can learn.

Thanks for your reply!

My conjuration level is 54 and the spell is Adept level which requires 50.

I feel like bonehead to ask but does Magika level refers to something other than that?

I know that I've got 270 magicka points (the blue bar to the left of the health bar) but I thought spells gated by the skill level of the magic discipline.

[StDrake]

the books in his stock are somewhat randomised. You might have simply walked into a moment, where he didn't roll those

magicka doesn't matter. I found all the necromantic grimoire books on him with 200 or less magicka. Had to pay him a good few visits before he had those that interested me though, and a few times he had none

[steventirey]

Originally posted by Nox Ffred Dragon:

My conjuration level is 54 and the spell is Adept level which requires 50.

Not quite. You need a skill level of 50 to take the Adept level perk, but Adept level spells appear in the relevant vendor at skill level 40. Likewise, you need a skill level of 75 for the Expert level perk, but Expert level spells start appearing at skill level 65. The Master level perk requires 100 in the skill, but Master level spells will appear at any skill level once you have completed the quest (which can be done at skill level 90).

Because of an error, the Illusion and Destruction Master spells are the only ones that require the same level as the appropriate perk (100). The quests themselves only require a skill level of 90, but the dialogue option to start them requires a skill level of 100, unlike the other Master quests.

[Nox Ffred Dragon]

Originally posted by steventirey:

Originally posted by Skumboni:

Is your Magicka level high enough to cast those spells? Other trainers only offer what you can learn.

if I remember right in this specific case (the Necromantic Grimoire stuff) your overall character level also impacts whether or not the spells are available to buy.

Edit: From the same wiki as linked above, in regards top the Necromantic Grimoire pack:

Contrary to normal Conjuration spell tomes, Necromantic Grimoire spell tomes appear in shops based on the same level you would find these tomes as loot. Novice tomes are found at level 1, Apprentice at level 11+, Adept at level 23+, expert at level 35+, and master at level 46+.

Thanks for this information!

I'm only level 14 so I do not meet that requirement. I'm a conjurer specialist though so I wonder if I'll be at expert spell level by the time I hit level 23.
That would suck as the Necromantic Grimoire adept spells stats, not surprisingly, don't look as the regular expert level summoning spell (conjure dremora lord)

Thanks again for your help, at least I know how this works now.