Delphine Hate thread

[Tealius Maximus]

Please be relatively civil, but feel free to rant about how much you hate Delphine here.

[Altbert]

Originally posted by Lady Sakuyama:

Originally posted by Altbert:

It would have been better if Delphine asks the player if they could kill a dragon and absorbs its soul. If they can, asks the player "Come with me to Kynesgrove, so I can see it for myself". That might probably made Delphine a less arrogant and less hated NPC.

what i hate after that is that she thinks the Thalmor are the reason why the dragons are back. did she not see the big black dragon resurrect the one in front if you????

She did, but had no clue what to think about Alduin's appearance. She had no clue about Alduin and that he was casted through time. The only one who knew was Parthuurnax. only not when, but only that it would have to do with the return of a new dragonborn.

[Zeo]

Delphine is a symptom of this game, to ALWAYS put you into a submission position, she is like Maven that have more plot armor than the own protagonist.

I think that Paarthurnax already did an amazing job to expy his old crimes, killing him by blind prejudice (yes it's prejudice, I don't buy the "revenge" crap) only do more harm than good, it's like burning story books, I don't even have to read all the comments to know that most people already pointed out that without him to teach us the human thum Alduin would win.

I play my campaign like a good guy, but just this once I wish that I could send the blades to their grave.

[dvdbillen]

Originally posted by Fear2288:

It’s because the same people who hate Delphine are the ones that want to suck on them Parthy Dragon Ball Z.

Why do these threads always have Delphine defenders who do nothing but make you like Delphine a little less?

She was poorly written as a character who is supposed to become a friend. She seriously annoys you by taking the horn. You then have a choice to prove yourself to her or not, in the game, but in reality you have no choice if you wish to complete the main quest line. Then she lightens up, but that only means she starts sending you on errands that at least initially turn out to be motivated by neurotic fantasies about the Thalmor.

Paarthurnax is an engaging magical character who is friendly and helpful from the start. It's flattering to have this ancient and powerful creature interested in conversing with you and teaching you.

When Delphine asks you to kill him, it was written to create an ethical dilemma. Logically a case can be made for killing him, but aesthetically it fails completely. Now you're supposed to go kill this majestic being to remain friendly with someone you never liked and who has no real objective at all for doing it other than to punish him for a completely understandable alliance that no longer matters.

[Rad-Dude 63 & 1/3rd]

Originally posted by Fear2288:

Originally posted by Rad-Dude 63 & 1/3rd:

Weird that people go to a Delphine hate thread and then be like "nah actually she's cool, ♥♥♥♥ Partysnax" like, okay, you're allowed to be wrong, but do it elsewhere lmao

It’s because the same people who hate Delphine are the ones that want to suck on them Parthy Dragon Ball Z.

You honestly think that Parthy - Alduin’s second in command - didn’t know about Skuldafn?

Really?

And don’t even try and argue something like “well…like…Alduin only just started eating the souls in Sovrngarde”.

Nah, Skuldafn was built thousands of years ago with the purpose of acting as a portal to Sovrngarde, and Parthy sits there like “oh man, Dragonborn, I have NO IDEA where couldve possibly gone, certainly not his magical temple fortress *shifty eyes*”

If Parthy REALLY wanted to stop Alduin, he would’ve flown his ass down from the mountain right after you killed the dragon at the Western Watchtower, told you to hop on, and then you two would’ve flown off to take him out together.

Instead, he sits up there and is perfectly content to let you muddle about for awhile until YOU come to HIM, then doesn’t seem to show any kind of concern for stopping Alduin and saving the world until you insist on it, and after that he provides little to no sincere help.

He could’ve told you about Dragonrend - he didn’t (he couldn’t TEACH you it, but he no doubt knew about it, the Greybeards knew what it was).

He probably knew where an Elder Scroll was - and just didn’t tell you.

He could’ve flown you off to Skuldafn - but no.

And at the end of it all he sits there and tells you he isn’t happy that Alduin is dead and the world has been saved.

But he’s happy to fly off and become the new leader of the dragons and promises to totally not just become the new tyrannical dragon overlord and will totally not succumb his nature as a dragon and seek to dominate and control lesser beings (ya know, that thing he was exhausting himself every day to control and the reason why he was isolating himself on the mountain).

If you think Parthy doesn’t deserve to die for his past actions or be put down to avoid the likelihood that he’ll just become the new murderous dragon overlord - you’re a fool.

that's a bunch of cool words that are unrelated to this thread lol, shame i'm not reading them.

[Rad-Dude 63 & 1/3rd]

Originally posted by psychotron666:

Originally posted by Rad-Dude 63 & 1/3rd:

Kill dragons... in the Second Era? Delphine is full of ♥♥♥♥ (knowingly, she owns a book that explains this), and if Paarth ought to die by your logic, then same as the DB, they have the soul of a dragon, they have the very same urge to conquer in their blood. Delphine is a Dragonguard claiming to be a Blade, and same as Esbern considering he's just as genocidal.

Yes. The akiviri (where the blades originate from) show up on Tamriel and are invading the empire. The empire then goes to war with them, when reman finally gets to their leaders, he asks why they were invading..they say to find a dragonborn, and bow to him, becoming the first dragon guard. The reason why is because they want to preserve the bloodline of the ones who can kill dragons, as akavir where they come from still had dragons (and dragons never stopped existing, there's multiple dragons in Skyrim alone that have been alive this entire time who were not revived by alduin).

The entire blades initial goal was to slay dragons and find a dragonborn to help them do that.

Now they are going back to that. If you want to join them, you need to slay dragons. If you don't want to do that, then don't join them, it's that simple. Again, why do you feel the need to be a part of their club when you aren't gonna do the main purpose of their club?

again? you can't even keep track of who you're talking to lol

[theo]

Originally posted by dvdbillen:

Originally posted by Fear2288:

It’s because the same people who hate Delphine are the ones that want to suck on them Parthy Dragon Ball Z.

Why do these threads always have Delphine defenders who do nothing but make you like Delphine a little less?

She was poorly written as a character who is supposed to become a friend. She seriously annoys you by taking the horn. You then have a choice to prove yourself to her or not, in the game, but in reality you have no choice if you wish to complete the main quest line. Then she lightens up, but that only means she starts sending you on errands that at least initially turn out to be motivated by neurotic fantasies about the Thalmor.

Paarthurnax is an engaging magical character who is friendly and helpful from the start. It's flattering to have this ancient and powerful creature interested in conversing with you and teaching you.

When Delphine asks you to kill him, it was written to create an ethical dilemma. Logically a case can be made for killing him, but aesthetically it fails completely. Now you're supposed to go kill this majestic being to remain friendly with someone you never liked and who has no real objective at all for doing it other than to punish him for a completely understandable alliance that no longer matters.

Thalmor theory is absolutely viable.
And you're not killing a "majectic creature" to remain friendly, supposedly you do it for the humanity's sake.
Characters that seem friendly and helpful are often manipulative and self-interested, that's just how it works both in fiction and irl.
Then there are dragons in fantasy in general - they often have high intelligence, are well spoken and can suppress will of lesser creatures - think of Hobbit or D&D. They're natural psychopaths without empathy, interested only in manipulation and domination, that can live and plot for thousands of years and Skyrim clearly follows that trope.
Paarthunax is intentionally a questionable character, and you're never sure about his true motives, you are given choice to believe his friendly facade or not.
I decided to leave him be but that's my choice. You cannot ignore the true unterdone of this dilemma. "Friendly creature" my ass

[Rad-Dude 63 & 1/3rd]

Soooooo... when do we hate on Delphine?

[psychotron666]

Originally posted by Rad-Dude 63 & 1/3rd:

Originally posted by psychotron666:

Yes. The akiviri (where the blades originate from) show up on Tamriel and are invading the empire. The empire then goes to war with them, when reman finally gets to their leaders, he asks why they were invading..they say to find a dragonborn, and bow to him, becoming the first dragon guard. The reason why is because they want to preserve the bloodline of the ones who can kill dragons, as akavir where they come from still had dragons (and dragons never stopped existing, there's multiple dragons in Skyrim alone that have been alive this entire time who were not revived by alduin).

The entire blades initial goal was to slay dragons and find a dragonborn to help them do that.

Now they are going back to that. If you want to join them, you need to slay dragons. If you don't want to do that, then don't join them, it's that simple. Again, why do you feel the need to be a part of their club when you aren't gonna do the main purpose of their club?

again? you can't even keep track of who you're talking to lol

My bad for assuming you'd read other posts in the thread.

[Rad-Dude 63 & 1/3rd]

Originally posted by psychotron666:

Originally posted by Rad-Dude 63 & 1/3rd:

again? you can't even keep track of who you're talking to lol

My bad for assuming you'd read other posts in the thread.

it is tbh lmao, considering most (including yours) are off-topic. you uh, did reply to me though, regardless of whether i read other posts you saying "again" to me means ♥♥♥♥ lol, i never said I wanted to join them, genius.

[Cthulu Cultist #2347643289]

say it with me now:
FU*K DELPHINE!

[Psycho Games]

She seems alright when you first meet her, but you know the entire time that something is off. Then you realize later on "Ohhh, she's just an idiot."

[psychotron666]

Originally posted by Rad-Dude 63 & 1/3rd:

Originally posted by psychotron666:

My bad for assuming you'd read other posts in the thread.

it is tbh lmao, considering most (including yours) are off-topic. you uh, did reply to me though, regardless of whether i read other posts you saying "again" to me means ♥♥♥♥ lol, i never said I wanted to join them, genius.

Talking about Delphine in a Delphine thread isn't off topic. And people's biggest gripe with her seen to be her demanding something from the dragonborn or she won't work with them. She doesn't demand ♥♥♥♥, she won't let the dragonborn join her little club unless you do something for them, it's that simple. So it seems people don't like her because she won't worship the dragonborn and change the entire point of her faction to fit the dragonborn personal vision.

[Liquid Inc]

Originally posted by psychotron666:

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Nah, that's your bias showing through. People hate her because everything she does makes a mockery of the game and the dragonborn.

You need whirlwind sprint to get the horn but somehow she got in there and took it. She's not dragonborn, or gives any inclination she knows how to shout (so no whirlwind sprint), so how'd she get it?

It's stuff like that that annoys people.

[psychotron666]

Originally posted by Liquid Inc:

Originally posted by psychotron666:

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Nah, that's your bias showing through. People hate her because everything she does makes a mockery of the game and the dragonborn.

You need whirlwind sprint to get the horn but somehow she got in there and took it. She's not dragonborn, or gives any inclination she knows how to shout (so no whirlwind sprint), so how'd she get it?

It's stuff like that that annoys people.

That's nothing to do with Delphine but instead Bethesda's bad writing of the overall story. Plus there's many ways she could have got it. Multiple people, one pushes the button and another walks through. Went in the back way and got the thin sliding door open. Pretty standard stuff, you don't need magic to do that.

Mark and recall are spells that exist in universe, even if the dragonborn can't get them. High magnitude levitate or jump also exist in universe. Telekinesis also exists , and it was able to manipulate objects like switches in previous games. Even if she couldn't cast it, maybe she knows someone who can.

[grishalit7]

The way i see it, she unlocked the secret tunnel that leads to the treasure chest room. I mean its a thin stone sliding door with a simple mechanism, she could manipulate it from the outside and open it. That way she got in to grab the horn and avoided all the traps and enemies(except for the 2 draugrs in the horn chamber ofc).

At least that how i rationalized it during my many playthroughs