Nemesis and its Deleted Ghost

[taochaitsung]

So, I'd been running FNIS for a couple years. It has its negatives, but I was largely content with it. Downloaded the Nemesis mod, which from what I read overlays atop FNIS. But it created animation issues, particularly when switching from 3rd person to 1st. Check the mod forum and find that the author locks comments because they know they royally jacked up their mod and were reworking it from scratch.

So I delete Nemesis. Apparently, this created a character animation issue where only the eyes blinks. Nothing else moves. It's not the T-pose, but the arms angle out a little, yet everything is locked in place. You slide.

I run the usual route: run the FNIS check. Try sweeping out anything named Nemesis in the mod data folder. Uninstall Skyrim SE and reinstall. Remove ALL mods, then uninstall again, restart the computer, and at last reinstall Skyrim with NO mods active. Still locked character animations.

I noticed that uninstalling Skyrim doesn't clean everything out, possibly to make reinstall faster, so I don't know if that meant the problem carrying over into the new install.

Any idea hows to fix this?

[Fear2288]

You installed Nemesis incorrectly.

Nemesis is the better program and there’s no point in using FNIS anymore (I think the only thing out there that requires FNIS and won’t work with Nemesis is some mod that lets you pork, or get porked by, animals or something).

It sounds like you tried to use Nemesis AND FNIS at the same time - well, there’s your issue.

I don’t know who told you that you can use both at the same time, but you can’t - it’s one or the other.

If you were trying to use both at the same time - that is likely why you had problems.

It sounds like you completely borked your game. Do a full uninstall and just delete EVERYTHING - completely purge Skyrim from where you have it installed and start over from scratch.

[Ilja]

There are few mods that still actually require FNIS, but most of them have moved on OAR solution.

You can use both FNIS and Nemesis at the same time, but you can not use generators at the same time. If you encounter problems with FNIS-related mods that do not yet have OAR solution then:

- Install FINIS, but remove the plugin and do not run generator.
- Install and run Nemesis. It will read FNIS folder and patch compatibility.

If mod does work that way, skip the mod, until it moves to either Nemesis or gets replacement OAR animations.

[UsernameTaken666]

There are guides that detail how to use Nemesis and FNIS together, though I’ve not tried it. Just pointing out that it is possible.

[taochaitsung]

Originally posted by Fear2288:

You installed Nemesis incorrectly.

Nemesis is the better program and there’s no point in using FNIS anymore (I think the only thing out there that requires FNIS and won’t work with Nemesis is some mod that lets you pork, or get porked by, animals or something).

It sounds like you tried to use Nemesis AND FNIS at the same time - well, there’s your issue.

I don’t know who told you that you can use both at the same time, but you can’t - it’s one or the other.

If you were trying to use both at the same time - that is likely why you had problems.

It sounds like you completely borked your game. Do a full uninstall and just delete EVERYTHING - completely purge Skyrim from where you have it installed and start over from scratch.

The mod author's own instructions were to have both. As to installing it, I followed their video instructions exactly.

[taochaitsung]

Originally posted by Ilja:

There are few mods that still actually require FNIS, but most of them have moved on OAR solution.

You can use both FNIS and Nemesis at the same time, but you can not use generators at the same time. If you encounter problems with FNIS-related mods that do not yet have OAR solution then:

- Install FINIS, but remove the plugin and do not run generator.
- Install and run Nemesis. It will read FNIS folder and patch compatibility.

If mod does work that way, skip the mod, until it moves to either Nemesis or gets replacement OAR animations.

I think everyone's missing the point. I removed EVERY mod and the game still doesn't animate the character after repeated uninstalls and reinstalls. That was made clear in the original post.

[Liquid Inc]

Originally posted by taochaitsung:

The mod author's own instructions were to have both. As to installing it, I followed their video instructions exactly.

They told you to run both generators?

You can ofcourse have FNIS as a dummy plugin with Nemesis, but your not running FNIS, just allowing whatever mod requires FNIS to think it's there. The dummy plugin is blank and FNIS isn't there at all.

But, to address your main post:

Originally posted by taochaitsung:

Downloaded the Nemesis mod, which from what I read overlays atop FNIS.

Which is wrong, as it's essentially a direct replacement of FNIS. It can use FNIS animations, but your replacing FNIS with Nemesis, not supplementing it or adding to it.

Originally posted by taochaitsung:

But it created animation issues, particularly when switching from 3rd person to 1st.

That sounds like you made an error with installing Nemesis... and whoever told you to install Nemesis over FNIS is an idiot, no doubts.

Originally posted by taochaitsung:

So I delete Nemesis. Apparently, this created a character animation issue where only the eyes blinks. Nothing else moves. It's not the T-pose, but the arms angle out a little, yet everything is locked in place. You slide.

You deleted Nemesis, so you need to re-run FNIS generation. You will need to clear out any files that Nemesis will have moved, and re-install those, along with FNIS.
Botched install, requires a clean slate.

You should follow this;

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2743619856

Originally posted by taochaitsung:

I noticed that uninstalling Skyrim doesn't clean everything out, possibly to make reinstall faster, so I don't know if that meant the problem carrying over into the new install.

Any idea hows to fix this?

Uninstalling Skyrim will only touch Steam installed files. Any .ini files left in My Documents, or mod created or moved files in your game folder won't be touched.

You should follow the clean install guide i linked, as that will explain what to do far better than i ever could.


I will add that Nemesis can run the vast majority of animations, and i've used it faultlessly for a fair while. I've never had any form of animation issue's, and have added and removed animations as i desired. FNIS is required for a couple, but as long as the disabled FNIS plugin is present in Vortex i get no issues from either side.
Nemesis isn't your problem here, it was whoever told you to install and run both the generators that screwed this up for you.

[Ilja]

Originally posted by taochaitsung:

I think everyone's missing the point. I removed EVERY mod and the game still doesn't animate the character after repeated uninstalls and reinstalls. That was made clear in the original post.

I didn't miss it. I was generally pointing out that you can use FNIS animation folder with Nemesis, if needed.

I didn't see the need to parrot what was already said above.

[ralphtobybob]

Most likely there's a conflict among your animation sets. The animations are all in
Data\meshes\actors\character\animations
What I would do is assuming, all traces of Nemesis have been removed, is to delete the meshes directory, as well as \scripts and \SKSE directories is they exist.
Then reinstall.

[Fear2288]

Originally posted by taochaitsung:

Originally posted by Fear2288:

You installed Nemesis incorrectly.

Nemesis is the better program and there’s no point in using FNIS anymore (I think the only thing out there that requires FNIS and won’t work with Nemesis is some mod that lets you pork, or get porked by, animals or something).

It sounds like you tried to use Nemesis AND FNIS at the same time - well, there’s your issue.

I don’t know who told you that you can use both at the same time, but you can’t - it’s one or the other.

If you were trying to use both at the same time - that is likely why you had problems.

It sounds like you completely borked your game. Do a full uninstall and just delete EVERYTHING - completely purge Skyrim from where you have it installed and start over from scratch.

The mod author's own instructions were to have both. As to installing it, I followed their video instructions exactly.

Clearly not, because then it would’ve worked and you wouldn’t be here.

I’m fairly certain the creator of Nemesis does not say that you need FNIS, that’d be like OAR saying it requires DAR, which makes no sense whatsoever.

Unless you’re talking about some other mod, and in that case you probably read the requirement tab wrong and it was telling you to use FNIS OR Nemesis - not both.

And I’ll say it again: you cannot use both at the same time.

There may be no harm in still having FNIS sitting there as you move on to using Nemesis, but you sure as ♥♥♥♥ can’t try and run both behavior generators.

And no, we didn’t miss the point.

You royally borked your game.

Uninstall it, delete the entire Skyrim folder, start from scratch.

[taochaitsung]

Originally posted by Liquid Inc:

That sounds like you made an error with installing Nemesis... and whoever told you to install Nemesis over FNIS is an idiot, no doubts.

So the mod author, and agreed.

You deleted Nemesis, so you need to re-run FNIS generation.

Did that, as stated in the first post.

You will need to clear out any files that Nemesis will have moved, and re-install those, along with FNIS.

Again, did that, AS STATED in the original post.

Botched install, requires a clean slate.

Stated in original post.

[taochaitsung]

Originally posted by Ilja:

Originally posted by taochaitsung:

I think everyone's missing the point. I removed EVERY mod and the game still doesn't animate the character after repeated uninstalls and reinstalls. That was made clear in the original post.

I didn't miss it. I was generally pointing out that you can use FNIS animation folder with Nemesis, if needed.

I didn't see the need to parrot what was already said above.

What was stated above also was by people who missed my point as you have. Again.

[taochaitsung]

Originally posted by ralphtobybob:

Most likely there's a conflict among your animation sets. The animations are all in
Data\meshes\actors\character\animations
What I would do is assuming, all traces of Nemesis have been removed, is to delete the meshes directory, as well as \scripts and \SKSE directories is they exist.
Then reinstall.

Thank you.

[taochaitsung]

Originally posted by Fear2288:

Clearly not, because then it would’ve worked and you wouldn’t be here.

So you don't know how to help and choose to be an @$$hole rather than admit it.
Noted.

[Ilja]

Originally posted by taochaitsung:

What was stated above also was by people who missed my point as you have. Again.

Even in your thread, not everything revels around you, or OP. When comment includes a chance of misunderstanding around the forum, then it gets fixed.

After following other replies, my question would have been which mod manager you were using - if any, because it would have an effect how to solve this.

Furthermore, uninstalling game does not clear the modding data, unless root folder was deleted as well. All custom folders will remain behind, if you just uninstall game through Steam. Your OP states that you uninstalled it, not that you made a clean install - unless your "clean state" reply in post #10 means that you actually deleted whole folder. Many users state "clean state" while custom content still remains in folders.

[taochaitsung]

Originally posted by Ilja:

Even in your thread, not everything revels around you, or OP. When comment includes a chance of misunderstanding around the forum, then it gets fixed.

And now you go full tilt strawman. When you don't even read it all the way through to get to the question don't expect your advice to mean anything when even that was in my original post.

After following other replies, my question would have been which mod manager you were using - if any, because it would have an effect how to solve this.

Nexus Mod Manager

Furthermore, uninstalling game does not clear the modding data, unless root folder was deleted as well. All custom folders will remain behind, if you just uninstall game through Steam.

More proof you didn't read, because I stated that myself. I was reluctant to post this until trying what I stated I tried because this is the kind of sh!t that comes up; people too lazy to read and pretend to know the answers when they don't.

So far, only one reply is by a person paying attention.