Jyggalag

[alexander_dougherty]

I hope they reintroduce Jyggalag in the next game, maybe have a fight between him and Sheogorath over the Shivering Isles (which are also the site of Jyggalag's unnamed realm of Order, it's just Jyggalag's realm is buried underneath Sheogorath's).... Maybe have Jyggalag restoring some long forgotten Daedric Artifact of his, and sending it out into the world....

I also wouldn't mind if they replaced some of the established Daedric Artifacts with some of the ones mentioned in the lore but that have never been in the TES games...

Pipe dreams i know....

[alexander_dougherty]

I'm thinking Jyggalag has a plan to separate the two realms (Shivering Isles and his perfect realm) step by step, but this will damage them both, while Sheogorath has an insane plan to rip them apart in one quick go (like ripping a band aid off), which will either do minimal damage or destroy everything, and you get to help one or the other, or maybe implement a third (possibly worse than either) plan.....

[Smugass Braixen-Chan]

What the hell is a Jyggalag..?

[Ilja]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Smugass Braixen-Chan:

What the hell is a Jyggalag..?

Lore:Jyggalag
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Jyggalag

[ihoujin.]

Seeing as Jyggalag only reemerges once at the end of every era that would be a hard storyline to pull off. And the fact that if he returns Sheo would have to disappear since they are the same, so if Jyggalags personality were to take hold of their physical body we'd lose Sheogorath. There's also the fact that the other Princes would likely just attack him again and try to get rid of him.

But I do agree, I'd love to see more invoving him, I just think it's a hard story to pursue.
(That is if they don't wanna retcon already established lore. Which might not be the best approach, however, if it's done right and elquantly could still be okay.)

[R4ndomG4mer]

Oprindeligt skrevet af ihoujin.:

Seeing as Jyggalag only reemerges once at the end of every era that would be a hard storyline to pull off. And the fact that if he returns Sheo would have to disappear since they are the same, so if Jyggalags personality were to take hold of their physical body we'd lose Sheogorath. There's also the fact that the other Princes would likely just attack him again and try to get rid of him.

But I do agree, I'd love to see more invoving him, I just think it's a hard story to pursue.
(That is if they don't wanna retcon already established lore. Which might not be the best approach, however, if it's done right and elquantly could still be okay.)

Incorrect, sir...the Shivering Isles dlc for Oblivion heavily implied that Sheogorath permanently become Jyggalag and the player character became the new Sheogorath. So, now both daedric lords exist simultaneously.

[Dallas S]

Oprindeligt skrevet af ihoujin.:

Seeing as Jyggalag only reemerges once at the end of every era that would be a hard storyline to pull off. And the fact that if he returns Sheo would have to disappear since they are the same, so if Jyggalags personality were to take hold of their physical body we'd lose Sheogorath. There's also the fact that the other Princes would likely just attack him again and try to get rid of him.

But I do agree, I'd love to see more invoving him, I just think it's a hard story to pursue.
(That is if they don't wanna retcon already established lore. Which might not be the best approach, however, if it's done right and elquantly could still be okay.)

The end of shivering isles breaks this curse, sheogorath and jygalag are no longer stuck in the same body. Sheogorath used the champion of cyrodil's body as a vessel to break away from the cycle. Jygalag tells you as much when you end the expansion.

[psychotron666]

Jyggalag doesn't exist. The entirety of shivering isles DLC is just an illusion in the head of the champion of cyrodil. Everyone that walks into that portal comes out crazy. The champion of cyrodil entered that portal, and then when he returned to mundus he was ranting on about how he's the madgod sheogorath. The guard at the waterfront tells him "sure lord sheogorath, now please clear out of the area you're scaring off the visitors" as she shoos him back with the rest of the beggars.

Notice how not a single daedric lord acknowledges the existence of jyggalag, or that a mortal became sheogorath. Or how 200 years later there's not a trace of jyggalag?

[alexander_dougherty]

Oprindeligt skrevet af ihoujin.:

Seeing as Jyggalag only reemerges once at the end of every era that would be a hard storyline to pull off. And the fact that if he returns Sheo would have to disappear since they are the same, so if Jyggalags personality were to take hold of their physical body we'd lose Sheogorath. There's also the fact that the other Princes would likely just attack him again and try to get rid of him.

But I do agree, I'd love to see more invoving him, I just think it's a hard story to pursue.
(That is if they don't wanna retcon already established lore. Which might not be the best approach, however, if it's done right and elquantly could still be okay.)

Jyggalag and Sheogorath are no longer the same entity, Jyggalag essentially transferred the curse that was Sheogorath onto an new Victim (Hero of Kvatch).

The other Princes would interfere though, although they would be fighting Jyggalag AND Sheogorath, since even the madgod wouldn't be crazy enough to let the other Princes deal with Jyggalag, if only because they would erase Sheo from existance while doing it.

[alexander_dougherty]

Oprindeligt skrevet af psychotron666:

Jyggalag doesn't exist. The entirety of shivering isles DLC is just an illusion in the head of the champion of cyrodil. Everyone that walks into that portal comes out crazy. The champion of cyrodil entered that portal, and then when he returned to mundus he was ranting on about how he's the madgod sheogorath. The guard at the waterfront tells him "sure lord sheogorath, now please clear out of the area you're scaring off the visitors" as she shoos him back with the rest of the beggars.

Notice how not a single daedric lord acknowledges the existence of jyggalag, or that a mortal became sheogorath. Or how 200 years later there's not a trace of jyggalag?

The fact he is in the cursed wing of the Blue Palace indicates he IS Sheogorath.

As for Juggalag, nobody knows how long it takes a Daedric Prince to reform in the Fires of Oblivion....

[R4ndomG4mer]

Oprindeligt skrevet af psychotron666:

Jyggalag doesn't exist. The entirety of shivering isles DLC is just an illusion in the head of the champion of cyrodil. Everyone that walks into that portal comes out crazy. The champion of cyrodil entered that portal, and then when he returned to mundus he was ranting on about how he's the madgod sheogorath. The guard at the waterfront tells him "sure lord sheogorath, now please clear out of the area you're scaring off the visitors" as she shoos him back with the rest of the beggars.

Notice how not a single daedric lord acknowledges the existence of jyggalag, or that a mortal became sheogorath. Or how 200 years later there's not a trace of jyggalag?

Believe what you want, but it's established, canonical fact that the hero of kvatch became Sheogorath. The other daedric lords wouldn't acknowledge it because they hated Jyggalag and are the ones who cursed him to become Sheogorath in the first place. Why Jyggalag hasn't been heard from since oblivion can only be guessed, but the Sword of Jyggalag does appear in the saints and seducers creation (though, it is debatable whether the creation club content is canon)

[psychotron666]

Oprindeligt skrevet af alexander_dougherty:

Oprindeligt skrevet af psychotron666:

Jyggalag doesn't exist. The entirety of shivering isles DLC is just an illusion in the head of the champion of cyrodil. Everyone that walks into that portal comes out crazy. The champion of cyrodil entered that portal, and then when he returned to mundus he was ranting on about how he's the madgod sheogorath. The guard at the waterfront tells him "sure lord sheogorath, now please clear out of the area you're scaring off the visitors" as she shoos him back with the rest of the beggars.

Notice how not a single daedric lord acknowledges the existence of jyggalag, or that a mortal became sheogorath. Or how 200 years later there's not a trace of jyggalag?

The fact he is in the cursed wing of the Blue Palace indicates he IS Sheogorath.

As for Juggalag, nobody knows how long it takes a Daedric Prince to reform in the Fires of Oblivion....

You mean the sheogorath who has memories and details his time cursing Pelagius, which happened long before the champion of cyrodil mantled him in the third era?
Why would the champion of cyrodil want or need to go taunt Pelagius when he has no history with him?

[psychotron666]

Oprindeligt skrevet af R4ndomG4mer:

Oprindeligt skrevet af psychotron666:

Jyggalag doesn't exist. The entirety of shivering isles DLC is just an illusion in the head of the champion of cyrodil. Everyone that walks into that portal comes out crazy. The champion of cyrodil entered that portal, and then when he returned to mundus he was ranting on about how he's the madgod sheogorath. The guard at the waterfront tells him "sure lord sheogorath, now please clear out of the area you're scaring off the visitors" as she shoos him back with the rest of the beggars.

Notice how not a single daedric lord acknowledges the existence of jyggalag, or that a mortal became sheogorath. Or how 200 years later there's not a trace of jyggalag?

Believe what you want, but it's established, canonical fact that the hero of kvatch became Sheogorath. The other daedric lords wouldn't acknowledge it because they hated Jyggalag and are the ones who cursed him to become Sheogorath in the first place. Why Jyggalag hasn't been heard from since oblivion can only be guessed, but the Sword of Jyggalag does appear in the saints and seducers creation (though, it is debatable whether the creation club content is canon)

I'd say they are not canon, because they include the umbra sword, which was officially destroyed in the elder scrolls novels that take place between oblivion and Skyrim (and the first place it was officially declared that vvardenfell was destroyed in the Red year) - which is why it wasn't in the game to begin with.

Also that tree with the unique tree sap near Whiterun is physical evidence left over from the infernal city from the novels.

Also why is the champion of cyrodil the only person to not be driven mad by entering the shivering isles? It can be argued that everything that happened in that dlc was in his head. After all, a truly mad person doesn't know they are mad

[Freeman]

Oprindeligt skrevet af psychotron666:

Jyggalag doesn't exist. The entirety of shivering isles DLC is just an illusion in the head of the champion of cyrodil. Everyone that walks into that portal comes out crazy. The champion of cyrodil entered that portal, and then when he returned to mundus he was ranting on about how he's the madgod sheogorath. The guard at the waterfront tells him "sure lord sheogorath, now please clear out of the area you're scaring off the visitors" as she shoos him back with the rest of the beggars.

Notice how not a single daedric lord acknowledges the existence of jyggalag, or that a mortal became sheogorath. Or how 200 years later there's not a trace of jyggalag?

c0da makes it canon.

[alexander_dougherty]

Oprindeligt skrevet af psychotron666:

Oprindeligt skrevet af alexander_dougherty:

The fact he is in the cursed wing of the Blue Palace indicates he IS Sheogorath.

As for Juggalag, nobody knows how long it takes a Daedric Prince to reform in the Fires of Oblivion....

You mean the sheogorath who has memories and details his time cursing Pelagius, which happened long before the champion of cyrodil mantled him in the third era?
Why would the champion of cyrodil want or need to go taunt Pelagius when he has no history with him?

He also makes several comments about him being Mortal and the hero in Oblivion.....

[alexander_dougherty]

Oprindeligt skrevet af psychotron666:

Oprindeligt skrevet af R4ndomG4mer:

Believe what you want, but it's established, canonical fact that the hero of kvatch became Sheogorath. The other daedric lords wouldn't acknowledge it because they hated Jyggalag and are the ones who cursed him to become Sheogorath in the first place. Why Jyggalag hasn't been heard from since oblivion can only be guessed, but the Sword of Jyggalag does appear in the saints and seducers creation (though, it is debatable whether the creation club content is canon)

I'd say they are not canon, because they include the umbra sword, which was officially destroyed in the elder scrolls novels

The novels are not canon, this has been stated several times by Bethesda....
Plus the sword Umbra has been destroyed several times, only to turn up again later.....