Why does bethesda get so much hate?

[StuckInWashingMachine]

I actually really enjoyed Skyrim / Fallout 4 for what they were, but I guess this is obvious because this is coming from someone who doesn't really enjoy RPGs. Yeah maybe I'm answering my own question here, people just want them to make games that are like their older games but you know I feel like they know what they are doing
They're aware of their massive modding community and to suggest they do things like update their engine, would that be the best course of action?

[Monke-Cat]

no one hates bethesda for Skyrim or Fallout , people hate bethesda for fallout 76 , creation club , laziness and lies.

[theo]

Originally posted by Hitodama:

no one hates bethesda for Skyrim or Fallout , people hate bethesda for fallout 76 , creation club , laziness and lies.

I hate Bethesda for Skyrim because they dumbed down the franchise with it.

In general people hate Bethesda for things all large companies do out of greed.

[wawawiwa]

If skyrim development not rushed for 11 11 2011 gimmick
it probably would be turn out much better, consider lot of stuff got cut
just look at civil war quest

[StuckInWashingMachine]

Originally posted by 강남스타일:

If skyrim development not rushed for 11 11 2011 gimmick
it probably would be turn out much better, consider lot of stuff got cut
just look at civil war quest

Yeqh but vigilent and beyond skyrim bruma are really good quest mods

[peppermint hollows]

Originally posted by Kix:

Originally posted by 강남스타일:

If skyrim development not rushed for 11 11 2011 gimmick
it probably would be turn out much better, consider lot of stuff got cut
just look at civil war quest

Yeqh but vigilent and beyond skyrim bruma are really good quest mods

What's your point? Bethesda didn't make these, the community did.

Do you really think the community shouldn't expect the devs to actually, you know, do the work themselves?

[th]

Yes, breifly speaking greed is the reason of that fact that modern game industry has stopped creating truly good games.

It works like that. Rich investor gives his money to the developer and tells him "I want a high return or I'll screw you". Our developer goes to modern psychologists who have been studying gamers psychology for decades now and tell them "I want to create a game which will be capabale to attract as huge audience as possible and I want to create a system withing this game which will motivate gamers to donate as much as possible". Those now very experienced psychologists tell him what to do - to exploit people's propensity for gambling i.e. lootboxes and microtransactions.

Now the thing is that nobody during the process I've described ever care about the artistic value of the game. They don't create games for players. They create games for profits. From an artistic point of view, the process was screwed at the first step (starting from that rich investor intentions).

At old times game development process has significantly bigger creative part than it has nowadays. Nowadays profit is the dominant part of this process. So modern games are created to bring profit not to be played and enjoyed. Unobvious thing here is that these two goals coincide only partially. It would be acceptable of course if the main goal was still to create games for players. But the main goal sadly is to create games for profits.

That is why indy games are the main source of good games nowadays. Like Ori and the Blind Forest. The problem with this is that such games almost always are small coz without rich investors' money it is hard to create bigger games.

[SpeedFreak1972]

Originally posted by 강남스타일:

If skyrim development not rushed for 11 11 2011 gimmick
it probably would be turn out much better, consider lot of stuff got cut
just look at civil war quest

Or look at the mod Cutting room floor that is all content that was never finished and there so much more for instance an arena in windhelm. They left out a lot.

[Roccondil]

In addition to investors being pushy and the 11-11-11 release date gimmick, the dev team were having a lot of trouble getting the game to run on the PS3 hardware. And they continued to have trouble when they started working on Dawnguard, which is why that DLC released a half year later than the PC and X360 versions. Had they not had those issues with the one platform, we most likely would have had a bit more polish, more release day content, and more DLC content after release.

[StuckInWashingMachine]

Originally posted by peppermint hollows:

Originally posted by Kix:

Yeqh but vigilent and beyond skyrim bruma are really good quest mods

What's your point? Bethesda didn't make these, the community did.

Do you really think the community shouldn't expect the devs to actually, you know, do the work themselves?

yeah but i can hardly think of a dev team that has allowed a modding community to work on theit game with a engine as flexible other then half life.
I think of other modern open world rpgs and they brcome irrelivent so quickly.

[Ihateeverybody]

Because its easier to Hate than to change yourself or others.

Woo Hoo. Someone finally asked a question I know the answer too.

[sdack]

They do not get much hate. You will be listening to the wrong crowd. Check the reviews when you want a more objective rating on the game.

Recent Reviews: Overwhelmingly Positive (2,731)
All Reviews: Very Positive (125,374)

[psychotron666]

Oblivion is what gave me my hate for Bethesda. Was the biggest disappointment in gaming history for myself and the very reason I don't follow games before they are released only to be burned by cut content and outright lies.

Still, Skyrim IMO was a step back on the right direction. But fallout 4 was an absolute abomination and fallout used to be my favorite franchise before it, but I absolutely hate that game and have no hope for the franchise.

I'm cautiously optimistic about starfield, but it's probably gonna suck. It came to a year long stand still because of lack of creative direction and engine not doing space battles properly. So like fallout 4/76 it's probably gonna be a mish mash of half baked game mechanics with a story that's been rewritten multiple times during production.

[peppermint hollows]

Originally posted by Ihateeverybody:

Because its easier to Hate than to change yourself or others.

Woo Hoo. Someone finally asked a question I know the answer too.

No idea what this phrase has to do with criticism of a massive corporation.

[xybolt]

Originally posted by SpeedFreak1972:

Or look at the mod Cutting room floor that is all content that was never finished and there so much more for instance an arena in windhelm. They left out a lot.

Other games have cut content as well. It is a choice a company makes when they want to aim for a release.

[sdack]

Originally posted by xybolt:

Other games have cut content as well. It is a choice a company makes when they want to aim for a release.

Some games do not have enough content to even consider cutting it before release. Bethesda games have so much content that it can make one wish for less and for them to invest more time into polishing their game before release.