Do I need the USSEP ?

[vK63]

Just got the game and was wondering will I need the USSEP ?

[Dallas S]

Not unless you get mods that require it

[Ilja]

I would strongly recommend that you install it.

Several gameplay bugs are conditional, so not everyone encounters them. And yet, we do see plenty of posts in this forum complaining about issues fixed in USSEP.

It does not change your actual gaming experience (especially, when you are not used to use some of the exploits it fixed, which got some players grumpy about it), so it won't hurt to prevent potential problems before they appear.

I would also recommend installing dialog fixes and SSE Engine Fixes. They will make your experience better. Vanilla dialog tends to hop around, especially if game is modded. SSE Engine Fixes do things that are beyond USSEP scope. It also allows you to get achievements from modded games.

[vK63]

Alright, thanks to you 2 I appreciate the answers ~

[Dallas S]

Just a warning though, ussep adds in a bunch of changes that are not bug fixes but things the author decided he wanted changed, and there's quite a divide in the community over the changes (and no I'm not talking about exploits being removed).

They're nothing big, but to people who've played the original it might tick them off here and there when you see the changes.

[vK63]

Thanks for the heads up Dallas S

[vK63]

Will I need the MOD ORGANIZER 2 for any of these ?

[smr1957]

You can use either Vortex or Mod Organizer 2, whichever you feel more comfortable with (both are good managers).

As to the Unofficial Patch, there is a PINNED TOPIC which explains exactly what it fixes and why:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2909719179

As Ilja posted, it is strongly recommended that you use it, for all the reasons covered and explained in that PINNED TOPIC.

[vK63]

Nice smr1957, I thank you good person for the help !

[smr1957]

Originally posted by rammstein_2651:

Nice smr1957, I thank you good person for the help !

No problem! And if you have any other questions, just ask!

[SpeedFreak1972]

Everybody bashes Arthmoor ok, but nobody seems to grasp he's not the only one making USSEP it's an entire team

[Dallas S]

Originally posted by SpeedFreak1972:

Everybody bashes Arthmoor ok, but nobody seems to grasp he's not the only one making USSEP it's an entire team

Not anymore. It was a team, the rest have all since quit because their job was done. arthmoor took over the mod and it's been solely his for years now

[SpeedFreak1972]

Ok didn't know that

[Lathanx]

Originally posted by SpeedFreak1972:

Everybody bashes Arthmoor ok, but nobody seems to grasp he's not the only one making USSEP it's an entire team

I never said don't use it, i said use it but disable the changes that he personally oversaw and said so himself.

It's kind of hard to not use it when it's required for like 90% of mods but that doesn't mean you can't make changes to it, even more so if you want to faff around in xedit/sseedit.

[Black Album]

Maybe ... you could use the word "some" instead of "90%".
Then your phrases could be a little more factual.
So ... you would say "you think arthmoor is an egotistical ass like some of us (do)" or "when it's required for some mods".
I'm just pointing this out because saying that 90% of people hate Arthmoor or that USSEP is needed by 90% of mods is plainly not true ...

[smr1957]

Originally posted by SpeedFreak1972:

Ok didn't know that

Because it's not true - LOL! The Unofficial Patch Team is active and working - and fixing problems which are brought to their attention by people playing the game, via Bug Tracking reporting.