Why does the Unofficial Patch ruin exploits.

[Shikabane屍]

Man idk how I never noticed before but man i hate how the Unofficial patch ruins so many good exploits the game has.

I love that it fixes broken quests and scripts etc, but did you REALLY need to take all the fun exploits out too? Was Soul Trap exploit hurting anyone? Was the Dawnstar Chest move really neccessary? Was patching Necromage such a sought after demand?"

And thats just the three i've found thus far, luckily i've found mods that UN fix these things but srsly, even the Oblivion Unofficial patch didnt remove the duplication glitch. They removed Dorian and Paint brush exploits but everything else was the same.

Idk i just wish they made a version that left the exploits alone. I know they're not for everyone but i liked them

[SerraShaar]

Probably because their task was to FIX things? so they did lol

[Shikabane屍]

Originally posted by SerraShaar:

Probably because their task was to FIX things? so they did lol

That's fine in case of the important things, but why fix things that actively are fun like exploits. Again even the oblivion one didn't fix the most blatant commonly known exploit in the game

Why fix things nobody wanted fixed?

Tbh, if other mods didn't need it, i wouldn't even use the patch

[th]

Originally posted by Not-A-Cat!:

Why fix things nobody wanted fixed?

I am not sure if it's a correct estimation. I think there are many of us who want them fixed.

Exploits are basically cheats. Why bother about it? Just use console to cheat whatever you want.

And some exploits (like famous resto loop) was fixed by USSEP team unintentionally as I know. They fixed many other bugs and as a result it so happend that all those fixes together break the resto loop.

Also some exploits were intentionally (once again - as I know) never fixed. Like telekinesis exploit.

[Shikabane屍]

The 'just use console commands' argument is so overdone.

Some of us perfer breaking the game within the bounds of what the game allows. Its also useful for challenge runs, like trying to beat the game with some absurd ruleset

For me, using console commands is not rewarding or fun, but using exploits to speed up tedious grinds (in the case of the Soul trap Exploit) is fun. Im not saying everyone should exploit as some people wont like it, but just telling people to 'just use console commands' is not the same experience at all.

All im saying is i wish their were two different options, one for fixing exploits and one for not, on the downloads page, which isnt unreasonable.

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[...]even the Oblivion Unofficial patch didnt remove the duplication glitch.[/...]

They are not made by the same people. Maybe 2 or 3 users worked on both, most didn't. So different opinions on what should be included or not.

Many of these fixes are for consistency.
Dawnstar's chest: why was it the only one accessible? it didn't make sense, it's not a special chest or anything, it's just an ordinary merchant chest.
There is a mod that makes all merchant chests accessible, they require a key of course, but they are all placed in visible locations.

[Shikabane屍]

The ultimate point im trying to make, is that the unofficial patch is needed for many mods to function correctly, however it fundamentally changes things certain player group of the game enjoy which i personally find annoying, and wasnt a problem in the previous entry of the series.

[Tacosupreme]

why is it that we can't play a game without exploits lmao. I mean I understand in a single player game cheat if you want. People who gripe about not being able to exploit usually abuse them in mmos too. I can think of better things to ♥♥♥♥♥ about if you ask me. I shed no tears for this complaint though my personal opinion of course.

[Shikabane屍]

Originally posted by Tacosupreme:

why is it that we can't play a game without exploits lmao. I mean I understand in a single player game cheat if you want. People who gripe about not being able to exploit usually abuse them in mmos too. I can think of better things to ♥♥♥♥♥ about if you ask me. I shed no tears for this complaint though my personal opinion of course.

as i've said in this thread this is why there should be two different files. one that patches exploits and one that doesnt. i dont think that would be too difficult to accomplish and would please everyone

I wouldnt even have an issue if this wasnt a MANDATORY mod for many other mods

[th]

Originally posted by Not-A-Cat!:

The 'just use console commands' argument is so overdone.

Some of us perfer breaking the game within the bounds of what the game allows. Its also useful for challenge runs, like trying to beat the game with some absurd ruleset

All im saying is i wish their were two different options, one for fixing exploits and one for not, on the downloads page, which isnt unreasonable.

I'd say more. I prefer there was a way to activate every single fix separately. Like with famous Morrowind Code Patch. But that's incredibly hard to do. MCP has like couple hundreds of fixes but USSEP has many thousands.

So the reason for that is pretty simple. We are just humans not gods. There is a very short list of things we are able to create in reality.

[th]

Originally posted by Not-A-Cat!:

Originally posted by Tacosupreme:

why is it that we can't play a game without exploits lmao. I mean I understand in a single player game cheat if you want. People who gripe about not being able to exploit usually abuse them in mmos too. I can think of better things to ♥♥♥♥♥ about if you ask me. I shed no tears for this complaint though my personal opinion of course.

as i've said in this thread this is why there should be two different files. one that patches exploits and one that doesnt. i dont think that would be too difficult to accomplish and would please everyone

It is much more hard to maintain even just two different versions. You've no idea how hard believe me.

[Shikabane屍]

Originally posted by th:

Originally posted by Not-A-Cat!:

as I've said in this thread this is why there should be two different files. one that patches exploits and one that doesn't. i don't think that would be too difficult to accomplish and would please everyone

It is much more hard to maintain even just two different versions. You've no idea how hard believe me.

Considering several other mods on the nexus are capable of doing such a thing, some of which over multiple GAME VERSIONS i really doubt you no offense.

Again, if this mod wasn't mandatory i wouldn't have a problem. But it is mandatory for so many things to work, if many other mods can do similar things with multiple versions again some over multiple game versions, then this can too. I don't think I'm being unreasonable here, and if you don't agree then we have to agree to disagree there.

[Flame retardant asphalt]

Originally posted by SerraShaar:

Probably because their task was to FIX things? so they did lol

"why did you fix aimbot"

the fps version of this problem.

[SerraShaar]

Originally posted by Not-A-Cat!:

Originally posted by Tacosupreme:

why is it that we can't play a game without exploits lmao. I mean I understand in a single player game cheat if you want. People who gripe about not being able to exploit usually abuse them in mmos too. I can think of better things to ♥♥♥♥♥ about if you ask me. I shed no tears for this complaint though my personal opinion of course.

as i've said in this thread this is why there should be two different files. one that patches exploits and one that doesnt. i dont think that would be too difficult to accomplish and would please everyone

I wouldnt even have an issue if this wasnt a MANDATORY mod for many other mods

Nope.

It take time to make mods, tracking down bugs, and glitch and tweak them and what not.

Asking them to make 2 files? nope. Not their jobs to accomodates peoples for something that the majoritee want patched since it shouldn't be there.

And because your taste goes beyond what everyone originally want, the burden to find a solution (As you did, meaning a patch that restore those exploits), is on YOU. Not on them, but on you.

[th]

Originally posted by Not-A-Cat!:

Considering several other mods on the nexus are capable of doing such a thing, some of which over multiple GAME VERSIONS i really doubt you no offense.

None taken. Your thought is pretty understandable. And also I know that different versions nightmare is often underestimated by non IT-people. But it is a nightmare anyway.

Yet again. I'd prefer it too. I just understand why it is as it is.

Originally posted by Not-A-Cat!:

I don't think I'm being unreasonable here

No, no, you are reasonable. You are just more or less clueless of the mod development problems especially with mods as huge as USSEP is.

[Shikabane屍]

Originally posted by SerraShaar:

Nope.

It take time to make mods, tracking down bugs, and glitch and tweak them and what not.

Asking them to make 2 files? nope. Not their jobs to accomodates peoples for something that the majoritee want patched since it shouldn't be there.

And because your taste goes beyond what everyone originally want, the burden to find a solution (As you did, meaning a patch that restore those exploits), is on YOU. Not on them, but on you.

Its not accomodating to me, its accomodating to a portion of the playerbase, a quick google search reveals im not the only person who likes exploits, we are a valid portion of the skyrim community. Skyrim is a game all about tailoring it to your specific wants, thats the fun of modding

You can run a super vanilla+ experience or turn the game into a souls-like thats the fun of it.

I think its wrong that USSEP ignores a chunk of the playerbase who like playing with exploits, simple as. If you disagree then we have to simply agree to disagree, but its clear that i am not the only one with this opinion. Exploits are a valid thing in this game to enjoy and im simply saddened that a neccessary mod removes them. Nothing more.