Enchanting skips skill level?

[Marbuel]

Hey guys, I just tried enchanting in Skyrim. I disenchanted an item and the skill level jumped from 16 to 19. Is that normal?

[psychotron666]

Disenchanting experience is gained by how powerful the enchantments are. At low level regular ♥♥♥♥ items will give a level up per disenchanted item til about level 25. So it's possible you disenchanted a really good item for the 3 levels.

[Rez Elwin]

You can gain multiple skill levels at once if you gain enough xp to do so. Whatever you disenchanted just gave you a lot of xp, enough to jump 3 levels.

[Marbuel]

Ok thanks. But do I get all the xp for character leveling as if I had leveled the skill level one by one or do I lose some xp points now?

[Rez Elwin]

Originally posted by Marbuel:

Ok thanks. But do I get all the xp for character leveling as if I had leveled the skill level one by one or do I lose some xp points now?

You don't lose out on any character xp for jumping levels.

[smr1957]

Originally posted by psychotron666:

Disenchanting experience is gained by how powerful the enchantments are. At low level regular ♥♥♥♥ items will give a level up per disenchanted item til about level 25. So it's possible you disenchanted a really good item for the 3 levels.

Actually, the experience gained is based upon the value of the item being enchanted/disenchanted, not the strength of the enchantment (though more powerful enchantments usually have a higher value, and thus give more experience - but it is the value, not the power of the enchantment, that determines the increase).

[Rez Elwin]

Originally posted by smr1957:

Originally posted by psychotron666:

Disenchanting experience is gained by how powerful the enchantments are. At low level regular ♥♥♥♥ items will give a level up per disenchanted item til about level 25. So it's possible you disenchanted a really good item for the 3 levels.

Actually, the experience gained is based upon the value of the item being enchanted/disenchanted, not the strength of the enchantment (though more powerful enchantments usually have a higher value, and thus give more experience - but it is the value, not the power of the enchantment, that determines the increase).

Actually value has no impact on the xp earned when enchanting items, nor does the enchantment, strength, soul gem used or item being enchanted. You get a flat xp increase, doesn't matter of you enchant a iron dagger with a petty gem or deadric mail with a grand, same xp.

It's only true for diesnchantment, that takes value into account.

[mister_lobos]

by the way it's not just enchanting that skips levels, my most recent game, one of the first items i pick pocketed was pretty expensive.. i jumped from i think 21 pickpocketing skill to 24.

[Rez Elwin]

Originally posted by mister_lobos:

by the way it's not just enchanting that skips levels, my most recent game, one of the first items i pick pocketed was pretty expensive.. i jumped from i think 21 pickpocketing skill to 24.

It's any skill that you achieve enough xp in one go. You can max out Illusion from 15-100 in 2-3 casts, those are massive jumps.

[smr1957]

Originally posted by Rez Elwin:

Originally posted by smr1957:

Actually, the experience gained is based upon the value of the item being enchanted/disenchanted, not the strength of the enchantment (though more powerful enchantments usually have a higher value, and thus give more experience - but it is the value, not the power of the enchantment, that determines the increase).

Actually value has no impact on the xp earned when enchanting items, nor does the enchantment, strength, soul gem used or item being enchanted. You get a flat xp increase, doesn't matter of you enchant a iron dagger with a petty gem or deadric mail with a grand, same xp.

It's only true for diesnchantment, that takes value into account.

No Rez, that is not correct, the higher the value, the more experience you get - it is not a flat increase - the wiki is wrong on this.

EDIT - what I posted in response is wrong - Rez is correct. See:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/489830/discussions/0/3712684644830113999/#c3712684644832391264

[Rez Elwin]

Originally posted by smr1957:

Originally posted by Rez Elwin:

Actually value has no impact on the xp earned when enchanting items, nor does the enchantment, strength, soul gem used or item being enchanted. You get a flat xp increase, doesn't matter of you enchant a iron dagger with a petty gem or deadric mail with a grand, same xp.

It's only true for diesnchantment, that takes value into account.

No Rez, that is not correct, the higher the value, the more experience you get - it is not a flat increase - the wiki is wrong on this.

You absolutely sure about that? Not trying to start an argument but with the amount of times I've maxed enchanting I feel I should know how it works at this point.

If the wiki, or rather UESP is wrong why has it not been corrected after all these years?

[smr1957]

Originally posted by Rez Elwin:

- snip - You absolutely sure about that? Not trying to start an argument but with the amount of times I've maxed enchanting I feel I should know how it works at this point.

If the wiki, or rather UESP is wrong why has it not been corrected after all these years?

Absolutely sure of that - enchanting different items in my game (and in prior builds over the years) which has nothing changing enchantment experience points or effects or anything else related to enchantment, the amount of experience gained is TREMENDOUSLY higher for high value items than it is for the items of lower value - even at level 80 enchanting, with an item that is very high value, I can sometimes jump to the next level in enchanting, while a low value registers only a small increase.

EDIT - what I posted in response is wrong - Rez is correct as to enchanting increase. See:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/489830/discussions/0/3712684644830113999/#c3712684644832391264


As to the wiki (and I am in this case specifically referring to uesp, which is the most reliable - thought that reliability has slipped somewhat in the last couple of years) the wiki is written by people who want to post, and they do not need any qualifications or knowledge to do so. Over the last couple of years (as I stated), I have seen an increasing number of errors creep into the uespwiki (and have even mentioned it at times in the forum) - some glaringly wrong and, in some cases in the Bugs sections, things that are not vanilla bugs, but caused by mods, being listed, as well as recommendations for fixes that will outright break the game (using placeatme instead of moveto player command, resurrecting of unique NPCs, and other very bad practices). I'll just quote Arthmoor's response to something that someone wrote that they found in the wiki

From Unofficial Patch Posts page -
Arthmoor (Unofficial Patch author and team leader)
13 March 2021, 8:46PM
"... You have to keep in mind UESP is a wiki, and anyone with the time to spare can edit the information on it. Which means it has a lot of inaccurate bug reports that are often found to have been caused by mod issues, not the game."

This applies to ALL information on the uespwiki (and elsewhere), and lately, though still the best source of information, due to the number of new players coming into the game, there are - just as there are in these forums (especially during and after Steam sales) - a lot of "40 hour experts" posting things - and not all of it is correct (something which I'm sure you know and are sometimes frustrated by).

[smr1957]

Anyway, this thread is not the place to get into a side discussion, so lets leave it at that, or for a discussion in some other thread - either a dedicated thread or someplace like the Coffee House.

[LiMpY]

Originally posted by smr1957:

Actually, the experience gained is based upon the value of the item being enchanted/disenchanted, not the strength of the enchantment (though more powerful enchantments usually have a higher value, and thus give more experience - but it is the value, not the power of the enchantment, that determines the increase).

As a "40 hour expert" *Cough* I'm getting a bit confused here. So just to clarify..

I'd get more experience if I enchant an ebony sword than I would enchanting a steel dagger using the same enchantment and soul gem because the initial value of the sword exceeds the dagger or is it the final value of the two items?
and/or
If I enchant 2 steel daggers with a different size soul gems/different enchantments, I'd get more final value on one of them, hence more XP?

[smr1957]

Originally posted by LiMpY:

Originally posted by smr1957:

Actually, the experience gained is based upon the value of the item being enchanted/disenchanted, not the strength of the enchantment (though more powerful enchantments usually have a higher value, and thus give more experience - but it is the value, not the power of the enchantment, that determines the increase).

As a "40 hour expert" *Cough* I'm getting a bit confused here. So just to clarify..

I'd get more experience if I enchant an ebony sword than I would enchanting a steel dagger using the same enchantment and soul gem because the initial value of the sword exceeds the dagger or is it the final value of the two items?
and/or
If I enchant 2 steel daggers with a different size soul gems/different enchantments, I'd get more final value on one of them, hence more XP?

I believe it is the final value that is the determining factor, just as it is with smithing an item. So it the final value of an item is 8000 gold, you are going to get way more experience points than if the final value of the item was 180 (though, obviously, the initial value determines to a large extent what the final value will be).

EDIT - what I posted in response is totally wrong - Rez is correct; value has absolutely nothing to do with how much experience you gain - all experience you gain in enchanting is exactly the same - NO MATTER WHAT THE VALUE, WHAT THE ITEM, OR WHAT THE ENCHANTMENT OR SOUL GEMSUSED. See:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/489830/discussions/0/3712684644830113999/#c3712684644832391264

And, LiMpY, I would hardly categorize you as a "40 hour expert" - LOL! Far from it!

[smr1957]

Just a quick note so as to not sidetrack this discussion - we are looking into the matter of experience point gain from enchanting and discussing it in another thread. Should I have been mistaken about it I will post just once more here (and add a statement to my posts) to reflect that.