The Katariah

[Rez Elwin]

The Emperor's ship the Katariah only appears when it is time to assassinate him. Assuming he was not already on his way he had to first hear about his cousins death then board a ship and travel all the way around the continent to get to Skyrim. It seems like that would take a massive amount of time for him to get there, not to mention the Pirates that are supposedly prevalent around the waters of Hammefell, I don't see any other legion ships nearby.

How did he even hear about Vittoria's death in the first place, sure news like that travels fast but that fast into Cyrodiil? To me it seems like it would have been far quicker though perhaps more dangerous to go by land, take a carriage and a battalion of guards with you.

[Docsprock]

Tamriel is pretty small, at least as far as Earthly continents go. (And as long as Daggerfall isnt mentioned). So perhaps a couple weeks at most to sail completely around the landmass. (I wont go into how in Oblivion it is impossible to sail out of Cyrodiil due to there not being any navigable passages).

Over land it would of course be much shorter distance, plus you have Imperial legionnaires all over Skyrim. Ambush near Pale Pass could be a factor. Cyrodiil is just the next-door neighbor though, and the Imperial City can be seen from the top of The Throat of the World.

I think the deciding factor would be comfort. Mede's quarters on board ship are quite nice compared to sleeping in a tent in the snowy mountains. The ship is also very well defended with more troops than the population of Solitude.

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by Docsprock:

Tamriel is pretty small, at least as far as Earthly continents go. (And as long as Daggerfall isnt mentioned). So perhaps a couple weeks at most to sail completely around the landmass. (I wont go into how in Oblivion it is impossible to sail out of Cyrodiil due to there not being any navigable passages).

Over land it would of course be much shorter distance, plus you have Imperial legionnaires all over Skyrim. Ambush near Pale Pass could be a factor. Cyrodiil is just the next-door neighbor though, and the Imperial City can be seen from the top of The Throat of the World.

I think the deciding factor would be comfort. Mede's quarters on board ship are quite nice compared to sleeping in a tent in the snowy mountains. The ship is also very well defended with more troops than the population of Solitude.

Leyawiin was on a major river and was supposed to be the gateway into Cyrodil for boats if I remember right.

[Docsprock]

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

Originally posted by Docsprock:

Tamriel is pretty small, at least as far as Earthly continents go. (And as long as Daggerfall isnt mentioned). So perhaps a couple weeks at most to sail completely around the landmass. (I wont go into how in Oblivion it is impossible to sail out of Cyrodiil due to there not being any navigable passages).

Over land it would of course be much shorter distance, plus you have Imperial legionnaires all over Skyrim. Ambush near Pale Pass could be a factor. Cyrodiil is just the next-door neighbor though, and the Imperial City can be seen from the top of The Throat of the World.

I think the deciding factor would be comfort. Mede's quarters on board ship are quite nice compared to sleeping in a tent in the snowy mountains. The ship is also very well defended with more troops than the population of Solitude.

Leyawiin was on a major river and was supposed to be the gateway into Cyrodil for boats if I remember right.

But, if you played Oblivion, there was no way for a ship or even a rowboat to get past Leyawiin.

[Rez Elwin]

In the games Tamriel is small, but I know that is for simple gamplay reasons, if I were to guess the size differance I would go in-line with timescale and say the game is 20x smaller than it should be. IF it were actual aize a trip like that would probanly take at least a couple monthes at sea assuimng they had favorable winds the whole trip.

Anvil is directly on the Coast, I would assume the Ship would be docked there. There is also the waterway that goes from the Imperial city to the south but that might be to narrow or shallow at spots and would take even longer.

I guess comfort makes sense, according to Vittoria she and Titus are not super close so he may not be in an actual rush to get there.

[Docsprock]

Just for the sake of argument, I took a screenie of Leyawiin from above. In this pic, the Imperial City is to the right, and the open sea is to the left. (North is right).

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1970665119

As can be seen, there is no way to sail past Leyawiin.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Originally posted by Docsprock:

Just for the sake of argument, I took a screenie of Leyawiin from above. In this pic, the Imperial City is to the right, and the open sea is to the left. (North is right).

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1970665119

As can be seen, there is no way to sail past Leyawiin.

The game worlds are abstractions, not literal. It's mentioned in TES5 lore that Lake Rumare is supposed to be big enough for full-scaled naval battles to occur. This is just what Bethesda's technology can do right now.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Originally posted by Rez Elwin:

The Emperor's ship the Katariah only appears when it is time to assassinate him. Assuming he was not already on his way he had to first hear about his cousins death then board a ship and travel all the way around the continent to get to Skyrim. It seems like that would take a massive amount of time for him to get there, not to mention the Pirates that are supposedly prevalent around the waters of Hammefell, I don't see any other legion ships nearby.

How did he even hear about Vittoria's death in the first place, sure news like that travels fast but that fast into Cyrodiil? To me it seems like it would have been far quicker though perhaps more dangerous to go by land, take a carriage and a battalion of guards with you.

No Pirate would ever dare attack the Emperor's ship.

If the time discrepancy bugs you so much, just sleep or wait for a few weeks before the script that makes the Katariah spawn is run.

[Docsprock]

Yes, this is true, but they 'could' have made it ever so slightly more believable.

Put onto the scale of Daggerfall, I am sure there would be a way for ships to get through there.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Originally posted by Docsprock:

Yes, this is true, but they 'could' have made it ever so slightly more believable.

Put onto the scale of Daggerfall, I am sure there would be a way for ships to get through there.

But then we'd have a completely forgettable world of copy/paste dungeons and lifeless landscape.

[AirborneMuffins]

Originally posted by Hobo Misanthropus:

Originally posted by Docsprock:

Yes, this is true, but they 'could' have made it ever so slightly more believable.

Put onto the scale of Daggerfall, I am sure there would be a way for ships to get through there.

But then we'd have a completely forgettable world of copy/paste dungeons and lifeless landscape.

...that's what we got

[258789553873]

These games are filled with obviously annoying logic errors. How about the fact that bandits clearly outnumber the people in the cities? And that's not counting the forsworn, warlocks, and whatever other marauders are out there. And why is it that there seems to be an endless supply of them that literally just appear out of thin air every in-game month? Or why the cities are so ludicrously tiny (my local Walmart is probably bigger than Whiterun). Or in the case of the DB, why nothing is ever mentioned of all the assassins that they were sending after you BEFORE you join? Or how nobody ever, ever, notices vampires despite them been pretty freaking obvious if you have Dawnguard installed?

Skyrim makes no sense, and there's no way to make it make sense. You just have to live with it.

As for the Emperor, what about the fact that he comes to Skyrim even if the Stormcloaks win? Or that he chooses to enter a country that's trying to defect from his empire after one of his relatives was just murdered? And the fact that he doesn't seem to be too upset when you show up? And yes, I've seen that one conspiracy theory video about that. Oh, and there's also the fact that his ship never leaves once it arrives.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Originally posted by AirborneMuffins:

Originally posted by Hobo Misanthropus:

But then we'd have a completely forgettable world of copy/paste dungeons and lifeless landscape.

...that's what we got

In Daggerfall, yeah.

[Ihateeverybody]

Originally posted by Hobo Misanthropus:

Originally posted by AirborneMuffins:

...that's what we got

In Daggerfall, yeah.

???

I can still find my house in Alik'ra (sp?)(main city in the A'likr Desert). I can probley move without heisitation through most of the major if not ancillary dungeons.

Daggerfall was many things (Buggy, repetitive; simplistic), but not forgettable.

You could click on the cloak in Paperdoll and put the hood up; down; off the shoulders; on the shoulders. Lets see you do that in Destiny 2 or Assasines creed or Red Dead Redemption.

Show some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ respect!

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by Docsprock:

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

Leyawiin was on a major river and was supposed to be the gateway into Cyrodil for boats if I remember right.

But, if you played Oblivion, there was no way for a ship or even a rowboat to get past Leyawiin.

That's because they put a boundary there.
On the maps they had, the river (The Niben I think) split off and went both to the south and to the west, these were huge highways (or what ever the term for large navigable rivers is) and should have reached the sea.

Now I'm not saying that that's a practical way out, given that the Aldmeri Dominion controls the land to the South of Cyrodiil (not sure about to the west).

Also in Oblivion there was a quest to clear out a ghost ship docked in Leyawiin, which had sailed past a lighthouse on the coast, and irritated the keeper enough to slip on board and slaughter the crew. So clearly the devs thought of it being reachable from the coast.

[Christine Wurmblut]

Hey, so if this logic/lore question is cleared, I have one too.
Why does the watermill in Riverwood produce smoke?
Like does this have any reason at all?