Imperials or Stormcloaks?

[FishTechnician]

Ah yes, the classic question. I usually go for the imps because so many stormcloak sympathizers are slobbering racists. However I've got Stormcloaks For Good Guys installed. Character I just started is going to be a Knight of the Nine (follower of Saint Alessia with Wintersun). Is it more logical to fight for the Empire, given that Saint Alessia founded the thing, or for the Stormcloaks, given that Talos is one of the Nine (though not in Alessia's lifetime)? Or neither? Thanks in advanced

[Krimsonn]

guy above me is on some insane drugs for him to be saying that

[Ihateeverybody]

Publicado originalmente por p a p i:

empire = TRUMP
stormcloaks = ANTIFA

Skyrim for the Nords and all hail Ulfric seem more .....you know what, not going to get into this with you. My insurance won't cover <redacted>

[Yellowbeard]

Publicado originalmente por p a p i:

Empire = United Nations / IMF
Stormcloaks = UK / Brexit
Thalmor = 'Wall St.'

FTFY

[4K_240hz_MLED]

Publicado originalmente por p a p i:

empire = TRUMP
stormcloaks = ANTIFA

That is the worst comparison I've ever seen. More like Empire = Deep State; Stormcloaks = Trump

[Silamon]

I've been on Ulfric's side since I asked him why wanted to fight back in 2011.

That speech still gives me chills when I hear it. I was always a fan of nords in TES since the first I played (morrowind) and seeing Ulfric's passion for his country won me over immediately.

Skyrim is for the Nords! Sovngarde beckons!

[Silamon]

Publicado originalmente por Jirki88:

It would depend on character traits of said follower of St Alessia.

Character traits such as zealous, impatient, bloodthirsty, aggressive, short-sighted... would probably join the Stormcloak rebellion in order to slay the Thalmor wherever they are to protect Tamriel from the evil elves expansion. Fight them in the here and now because it has to be done, if you kill enough of them they'll run out in the end.

Character traits such as strategic, noble, patient... would support the Empire in recognizing that unity is the way to defeat the Thalmor, as you'd need the Legions to invade the Thalmor homelands, and no victory would be entire if they're just driven back from Skyrim and other Imperial provinces. Killing a few pawns in Skyrim wouldn't be worth it if it meant the Empire split even more.

I'm still not so sure this is true. During the previous war the thalmor got hit pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥ hard, it's the only reason they were willing to sign the treaty in the first place. Their forces were badly depleted and the nord's forces refused to stop. A great majority of the Thalmor army was destroyed, and even though the same can be said about the imperials.... The elves would have a much harder time replacing losses than humans would. 30 years is plenty of time to recruit an entirely new army of humans, but not enough time for the Thalmor to completely recuperate IMO.

Maybe I am way off but I think Ulfric could win, or at least stay independent of the thalmor. Especially with the help of the Dragonborn on his side, I mean the dude is kind of a bad ass if I do say so myself.

[Fear2288]

Honestly, I don’t know how racist the Stormcloaks really are.

They’re certainly ethnocentric - believing their culture, way of life, values, etc are superior to others’ but aside from that one guy in Windhelm who accuses that Dunmer woman of being a spy just because she’s a Dunmer, I can’t think of any other overtly racist examples (that guy’s just an a-hole).

I mean, you can be any race in the game and Ralof will still invite you to join the Stormcloaks and Ulfric will still gladly accept your help and let you become his right hand man/woman next to Galmar.

Sure, a majority of the Stormcloaks are Nords - but why wouldn’t they be? It’s a rebellion occurring in Skyrim with the objective of protecting Nord beliefs/values and securing independence for the Nord homeland.

Were the Vietcong racist because a majority of their men were Vietnamese instead of being a mix of Vietnamese, Africans, and Europeans?

Oh they don’t like and are distrustful of Altmer, Bosmer, Khajiit, Dunmer, Orsimer, Imperials, Argonians, and Bretons?

Well, let’s see…

The homelands of the Altmer, Khajiit, and Bosmer are all apart of the Aldmeri Dominion now.

The Dunmer are flooding into places like Windhelm and expecting to be taken care of even though they weren’t invited or promised this.

Imperials…self-explanatory

Orsimer - does anyone like them? They’re the unwanted green-skinned brutes of all of Tamriel.

Argonians? They broke away from the Empire with the Thalmor’s help and then invaded Morrowind - adding to the flood of Dunmer fleeing into Skyrim - and no one really knows where they stand now.

Bretons? Not only is High Rock still a part of the Empire, but you’ve got all the past and present issues in the southwest of Skyrim with the Forsworn.

Point is, the Nords have legitimate reasons to not like most of the other peoples of Tamriel.

[Melkolf]

Imperials or Stormcloaks?

Neither.

[4K_240hz_MLED]

Publicado originalmente por Fear2288:

The Dunmer are flooding into places like Windhelm and expecting to be taken care of even though they weren’t invited or promised this.

Argonians? They broke away from the Empire with the Thalmor’s help and then invaded Morrowind - adding to the flood of Dunmer fleeing into Skyrim - and no one really knows where they stand now.

Well from speaking to NPCs in Windhelm, the Dunmer were allowed refuge willingly either by Ulfric or just the Skyrim government in general. But beyond that, they won't go out of their way to help the Dunmer.

Also, Black Marsh never was part of any of the Cyrodiilic empires aside from the more external areas during the third era.

[Jirki88]

Publicado originalmente por Silamon:

Publicado originalmente por Jirki88:

It would depend on character traits of said follower of St Alessia.

Character traits such as zealous, impatient, bloodthirsty, aggressive, short-sighted... would probably join the Stormcloak rebellion in order to slay the Thalmor wherever they are to protect Tamriel from the evil elves expansion. Fight them in the here and now because it has to be done, if you kill enough of them they'll run out in the end.

Character traits such as strategic, noble, patient... would support the Empire in recognizing that unity is the way to defeat the Thalmor, as you'd need the Legions to invade the Thalmor homelands, and no victory would be entire if they're just driven back from Skyrim and other Imperial provinces. Killing a few pawns in Skyrim wouldn't be worth it if it meant the Empire split even more.

I'm still not so sure this is true. During the previous war the thalmor got hit pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥ hard, it's the only reason they were willing to sign the treaty in the first place. Their forces were badly depleted and the nord's forces refused to stop. A great majority of the Thalmor army was destroyed, and even though the same can be said about the imperials.... The elves would have a much harder time replacing losses than humans would. 30 years is plenty of time to recruit an entirely new army of humans, but not enough time for the Thalmor to completely recuperate IMO.

Maybe I am way off but I think Ulfric could win, or at least stay independent of the thalmor. Especially with the help of the Dragonborn on his side, I mean the dude is kind of a bad ass if I do say so myself.

True, attrition could have taken quite a toll on the Thalmor, especially the lost of all the forces occupying the Imperial City... though the Empire hardly lost any less than they did. The Great War states that three entire legions were lost, and not a single remaining legion was even at half strength. The Skyrim Legions took heavy losses during those battles too. especially as they faced the brunt of the Thalmor counterattacks during the offensive.

And the Civil War has taken at least as much if not more toll on both the Stormcloaks and the Empire. Skyrim is weak, whichever side wins, but under the Empire, at least it has a paper shield, for what it's worth.

A Stormcloak victory would be hollow, I think. The Forsworn aren't friends of Ulfric, quite the opposite, so the Reach would be vulnerable. At the same time, the contemptous and hostile attitude from the Stormcloaks towards the Dunmer and Argonians, of which there are a non-negligible number in Eastern Skyrim, could breed even further unrest (not to mention that probably has almost fully alienated two of the only three potential allies a free Skyrim could have (and Hammerfell isn't that likely an ally either)).

Not to mention that Skyrim is kind of dependent on food imports from Cyrodiil as well... with that cut off, the already rampaging bandit situation may intensify.

While it's certainly possible that Ulfric would be able to oust the Thalmor from Skyrim, at least temporarily, his victory would most likely spell the doom of the Empire and quite possibly the fall of Cyrodiil. Should Cyrodiil fall to the Thalmor, Skyrim is in a very precarious position.

[RIPDixie1865]

If you choose anything but Stormcloak, you are morally detestable.

[RIPDixie1865]

Publicado originalmente por Fear2288:

Honestly, I don’t know how racist the Stormcloaks really are.

They’re certainly ethnocentric - believing their culture, way of life, values, etc are superior to others’ but aside from that one guy in Windhelm who accuses that Dunmer woman of being a spy just because she’s a Dunmer, I can’t think of any other overtly racist examples (that guy’s just an a-hole).

I mean, you can be any race in the game and Ralof will still invite you to join the Stormcloaks and Ulfric will still gladly accept your help and let you become his right hand man/woman next to Galmar.

Sure, a majority of the Stormcloaks are Nords - but why wouldn’t they be? It’s a rebellion occurring in Skyrim with the objective of protecting Nord beliefs/values and securing independence for the Nord homeland.

Were the Vietcong racist because a majority of their men were Vietnamese instead of being a mix of Vietnamese, Africans, and Europeans?

Oh they don’t like and are distrustful of Altmer, Bosmer, Khajiit, Dunmer, Orsimer, Imperials, Argonians, and Bretons?

Well, let’s see…

The homelands of the Altmer, Khajiit, and Bosmer are all apart of the Aldmeri Dominion now.

The Dunmer are flooding into places like Windhelm and expecting to be taken care of even though they weren’t invited or promised this.

Imperials…self-explanatory

Orsimer - does anyone like them? They’re the unwanted green-skinned brutes of all of Tamriel.

Argonians? They broke away from the Empire with the Thalmor’s help and then invaded Morrowind - adding to the flood of Dunmer fleeing into Skyrim - and no one really knows where they stand now.

Bretons? Not only is High Rock still a part of the Empire, but you’ve got all the past and present issues in the southwest of Skyrim with the Forsworn.

Point is, the Nords have legitimate reasons to not like most of the other peoples of Tamriel.

Finally. Someone who has sense. Most people aren't intelligent enough to even understand what "racism" is.

[Ihateeverybody]

Publicado originalmente por RIPDixie1865:

If you choose anything but Stormcloak, you are morally detestable.

So I should choose your privilaged white guy over the other privilaged white guy....why again?

Because he talks pretty?

The Guy who when I called a peace summit to end a threat that would destroy the world...did what again?

I DEMAND YOU CEDE THE FOLLOWING TERRITORY TO ME or let the world burn.....That guy.

Like I said, I don't support either side because....I dislike authority, in all forms.

The very fact that you think you know better when your track record shows failure after failure after Failure....well. I am just going to do my thing.

[Fear2288]

Publicado originalmente por BraveNewWorld2030:

Publicado originalmente por Fear2288:

The Dunmer are flooding into places like Windhelm and expecting to be taken care of even though they weren’t invited or promised this.

Argonians? They broke away from the Empire with the Thalmor’s help and then invaded Morrowind - adding to the flood of Dunmer fleeing into Skyrim - and no one really knows where they stand now.

Well from speaking to NPCs in Windhelm, the Dunmer were allowed refuge willingly either by Ulfric or just the Skyrim government in general. But beyond that, they won't go out of their way to help the Dunmer.

Also, Black Marsh never was part of any of the Cyrodiilic empires aside from the more external areas during the third era.

1. The High King of Skyrim gave the island of Solstheim to the Dunmeri refugees. I’ve found no references to Ulfric or his father explicitly inviting the Dunmer to settle in Windhelm/Eastmarch.

2. Helstrom at the very center of the province was the only part of Black Marsh that was not under the control of the Empire during the Third Age, and this was only due to the fact that Argonians were the only ones capable of traversing this region.

[Kyloben06]

i choose stormcloaks because i hate taxes ave true to caesar