Netch do waaaay too much damage

[Zura]

So im currently level 54 with an armor rating of 780 but for some reasons netch are one of the enemies which deal the most damage in the game to me. They take just about 3 hits to kill me.

I dont have any negative effects which reduce any resistance. Is it just me or are they way too strong for no apparent reason?

[casualsailor]

What is your resistance to Shock damage? According to the wiki that is their prinicple elemental damage.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Netch_(Dragonborn)

Edit: BTW, you're well over the armor cap of 567 so you can afford to swap out some armor enchants for shock resistance.

[Chro]

they deal shock dmg so ur armor is useless

[alexander_dougherty]

I generally have one piece of armour with resist shock, one piece with resist fire, and one with resist cold. This means I'm under par against any specific elemental attacks, but I've got some protection no matter what is throw at me.

And I've never found the Netch that tough, so something in that combo works.

[casualsailor]

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

I generally have one piece of armour with resist shock, one piece with resist fire, and one with resist cold. This means I'm under par against any specific elemental attacks, but I've got some protection no matter what is throw at me.

And I've never found the Netch that tough, so something in that combo works.

I've never understood if shock damage from magical attacks are deflected by magical resistance but I typically have 85% Magical Resistance and then I carry a pair of Frost / Fire resistant boots for when I'm dealing with dragons.

I'm able to stand in their concentrated elemental damage without taking significant damage.

OP, If you play as a Breton you get 25% to magic damage resistance by default.
The Lord Stone will give you another 20%. The Agent of Mara another 15% which is very easy to get. And putting 2 pts in Magic Resistance under the Alteration skill tree will add another 20%. This gives you 85% magic resistance which is the max I believe.

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by casualsailor:

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

I generally have one piece of armour with resist shock, one piece with resist fire, and one with resist cold. This means I'm under par against any specific elemental attacks, but I've got some protection no matter what is throw at me.

And I've never found the Netch that tough, so something in that combo works.

I've never understood if shock damage from magical attacks are deflected by magical resistance but I typically have 85% Magical Resistance and then I carry a pair of Frost / Fire resistant boots for when I'm dealing with dragons.

I'm able to stand in their concentrated elemental damage without taking significant damage.

OP, If you play as a Breton you get 25% to magic damage resistance by default.
The Lord Stone will give you another 20%. The Agent of Mara another 15% which is very easy to get. And putting 2 pts in Magic Resistance under the Alteration skill tree will add another 20%. This gives you 85% magic resistance which is the max I believe.

I was never sure, so I had seperate elemental resistances as well.

But someone said on another thread, about hree weeks ago, that the game views destruction spells as Elemental damage rather than magic resistance, and magic resistance is used to resist spells from the illusion school and the like. I never got around to testing it, since I'm playing another game at the minute, so I don't know if they are right.

[casualsailor]

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

Originally posted by casualsailor:

I've never understood if shock damage from magical attacks are deflected by magical resistance but I typically have 85% Magical Resistance and then I carry a pair of Frost / Fire resistant boots for when I'm dealing with dragons.

I'm able to stand in their concentrated elemental damage without taking significant damage.

OP, If you play as a Breton you get 25% to magic damage resistance by default.
The Lord Stone will give you another 20%. The Agent of Mara another 15% which is very easy to get. And putting 2 pts in Magic Resistance under the Alteration skill tree will add another 20%. This gives you 85% magic resistance which is the max I believe.

I was never sure, so I had seperate elemental resistances as well.

But someone said on another thread, about hree weeks ago, that the game views destruction spells as Elemental damage rather than magic resistance, and magic resistance is used to resist spells from the illusion school and the like. I never got around to testing it, since I'm playing another game at the minute, so I don't know if they are right.

I should have been more clear. What I think to be the case is that if you have 85% magic resist then you are capped and the damage you receive from elemental magic spells like frost, fire and shock is reduced by 85%.

But if you have specific Frost, Fire, Shock resistance then the remaining 15% of damage you receive from these will be reduced.

This is why in addition to the 85% magic resistance I carry the Fire / Frost boots for dealing with dragons. It is to mitigate the actual damage I take under the additiona 15%.

I'm not sure if that is right and I've seen no definitive statement. But like I said, I take very little fire or frost damage from dragons when properly equipped.

Here is an example of what I am talking about. This guy has a similar build as regards to magic and fire resistance. Notice the damage he takes while standing in full Elder Dragon fire.

That is similar to what I experience on Legendary difficulty.

https://youtu.be/ixP46SVS9Fo?t=388

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by casualsailor:

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

I was never sure, so I had seperate elemental resistances as well.

But someone said on another thread, about hree weeks ago, that the game views destruction spells as Elemental damage rather than magic resistance, and magic resistance is used to resist spells from the illusion school and the like. I never got around to testing it, since I'm playing another game at the minute, so I don't know if they are right.

I should have been more clear. What I think to be the case is that if you have 85% magic resist then you are capped and the damage you receive from elemental magic spells like frost, fire and shock is reduced by 85%.

But if you have specific Frost, Fire, Shock resistance then the remaining 15% of damage you receive from these will be reduced.

This is why in addition to the 85% magic resistance I carry the Fire / Frost boots for dealing with dragons. It is to mitigate the actual damage I take under the additiona 15%.

I'm not sure if that is right and I've seen no definitive statement. But like I said, I take very little fire or frost damage from dragons when properly equipped.

Here is an example of what I am talking about. This guy has a similar build as regards to magic and fire resistance. Notice the damage he takes while standing in full Elder Dragon fire.

That is similar to what I experience on Legendary difficulty.

https://youtu.be/ixP46SVS9Fo?t=388

Ah, I see.
I never bothered doing the maths, I just tried stuff and saw what worked and what didn't.
But what you say makes sense, so quite possibly.

[casualsailor]

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

Originally posted by casualsailor:

I should have been more clear. What I think to be the case is that if you have 85% magic resist then you are capped and the damage you receive from elemental magic spells like frost, fire and shock is reduced by 85%.

But if you have specific Frost, Fire, Shock resistance then the remaining 15% of damage you receive from these will be reduced.

This is why in addition to the 85% magic resistance I carry the Fire / Frost boots for dealing with dragons. It is to mitigate the actual damage I take under the additiona 15%.

I'm not sure if that is right and I've seen no definitive statement. But like I said, I take very little fire or frost damage from dragons when properly equipped.

Here is an example of what I am talking about. This guy has a similar build as regards to magic and fire resistance. Notice the damage he takes while standing in full Elder Dragon fire.

That is similar to what I experience on Legendary difficulty.

https://youtu.be/ixP46SVS9Fo?t=388

Ah, I see.
I never bothered doing the maths, I just tried stuff and saw what worked and what didn't.
But what you say makes sense, so quite possibly.

Well take what I've said with a grain of salt because I'm not sure. I'm not sure if it is possible to have 85% Magic Resistance + 85% Fire Resistance either. But presumably if what I think to be true one could stand in a fire stream which delivers 100 dps and take:

100 less 85% less 85% which is 2.25 dps.

But all of this is contengent upon the fire damage being the result of a magic spell as opposed to simply standing in naturally occuring flames. I think.

[Zsrai]

Originally posted by casualsailor:

Well take what I've said with a grain of salt because I'm not sure. I'm not sure if it is possible to have 85% Magic Resistance + 85% Fire Resistance either. But presumably if what I think to be true one could stand in a fire stream which delivers 100 dps and take:

100 less 85% less 85% which is 2.25 dps.

But all of this is contengent upon the fire damage being the result of a magic spell as opposed to simply standing in naturally occuring flames. I think.

Did you literally pull that example from the wiki explaining how it works and then ask if that's how it works?

Resist Magic is factored independently of Resist Fire, Resist Frost, and Resist Shock effects, meaning elemental resistance is factored after Magic Resistance has been applied. A 100-point Fire spell would deal only 15 damage with full Magic Resistance, and Fire Resistance can reduce that 15 points by 85%, down to 2.25 points for 97.75% total resistance.[en.uesp.net]

[casualsailor]

Originally posted by Zsrai:

Originally posted by casualsailor:

Well take what I've said with a grain of salt because I'm not sure. I'm not sure if it is possible to have 85% Magic Resistance + 85% Fire Resistance either. But presumably if what I think to be true one could stand in a fire stream which delivers 100 dps and take:

100 less 85% less 85% which is 2.25 dps.

But all of this is contengent upon the fire damage being the result of a magic spell as opposed to simply standing in naturally occuring flames. I think.

Did you literally pull that example from the wiki explaining how it works and then ask if that's how it works?

Resist Magic is factored independently of Resist Fire, Resist Frost, and Resist Shock effects, meaning elemental resistance is factored after Magic Resistance has been applied. A 100-point Fire spell would deal only 15 damage with full Magic Resistance, and Fire Resistance can reduce that 15 points by 85%, down to 2.25 points for 97.75% total resistance.[en.uesp.net]

Nope. I have this niffty tool on my computer called "calculator." You can plug numbers into it and retrieve the results of arithmetic calculations.

[Zsrai]

Originally posted by casualsailor:

Originally posted by Zsrai:

Did you literally pull that example from the wiki explaining how it works and then ask if that's how it works?

Resist Magic is factored independently of Resist Fire, Resist Frost, and Resist Shock effects, meaning elemental resistance is factored after Magic Resistance has been applied. A 100-point Fire spell would deal only 15 damage with full Magic Resistance, and Fire Resistance can reduce that 15 points by 85%, down to 2.25 points for 97.75% total resistance.[en.uesp.net]

Nope. I have this niffty tool on my computer called "calculator." You can plug numbers into it and retrieve the results of arithmetic calculations.

Well, instead of using a calculator you could always check the wiki instead. Takes less steps.

[casualsailor]

Originally posted by Zsrai:

Originally posted by casualsailor:

Nope. I have this niffty tool on my computer called "calculator." You can plug numbers into it and retrieve the results of arithmetic calculations.

Well, instead of using a calculator you could always check the wiki instead. Takes less steps.

Well I didn't consider this specific calculation to be overly burdensome given the availability of said calculator.

But I do appreciate you linking that particular wiki. The one I have been using is less clear on the subject.

[Sevrojin]

step 1 get necromage step 2 become a vampire step 3 get the atronach stone step 4 get the atronoch perk and congragulations you now have 100% magic absorbtion and you never be affected by hostile magic again

[Sevrojin]

or get necromage and be a vampire and get the lord stone and magic resistence perk and you now have 56% magic resistence to all types of magic

[Sevrojin]

Necromage and Vampirism is hilariously overpowerd