"Speak to the Jarl of Riften" quest doesn't trigger

[Lampros]

I just reported to the Jarl after shutting down the Skooma operations, and then it says to speak to the Jarl. But once I am next to her, I don't quest a quest marker, and talking to her does nothing.

Edit: I've also done a ton of helping Riften citizens; so I am sure I fulfilled that requirement, too. And Anuriel doesn't trigger any new choices either.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, Skyrim.

[Nabinkemper]

Originally posted by Lampros:

Originally posted by HazakTheMad:

There has been claims that you have to go through certain sections of the thieves guild before
becoming thane, I think it is bs, but there is no harm in trying out the quest anyways.

Hmm, okay. I re-started anyways with a lighter load order, so I guess that's what I will try if it doesn't trigger again.

You do not need to do any part of the Thieves Guild questline to become Thane. On a recent play, I ignored Brynjolf entirely (thanks to "The Choice is Yours), and was easily able to complete the Become Thane of Riften quest line.

The people of the Rift I usually help are Balimund, Edda, Ingun Black-Briar, Madesi, Shadr, Marise Aravel. Some of the ones related to the outlying towns as well. I then locate Wujeeta, heal her, get the name of the skooma dealer, and approach the Jarl. Once I have dispatched the skooma dealer, brought the evidence to the Jarl, and taken out the bandits at Cragslane Cavern. Then return to the Jarl, purchase the house from the Steward, and immediately ask the Jarl for anything else. Since the help me quests were completed, the title of Thane is given.

[Lampros]

Originally posted by Nabinkemper:

The people of the Rift I usually help are Balimund, Edda, Ingun Black-Briar, Madesi, Shadr, Marise Aravel. Some of the ones related to the outlying towns as well. I then locate Wujeeta, heal her, get the name of the skooma dealer, and approach the Jarl. Once I have dispatched the skooma dealer, brought the evidence to the Jarl, and taken out the bandits at Cragslane Cavern. Then return to the Jarl, purchase the house from the Steward, and immediately ask the Jarl for anything else.

Finished both the helping folks and the Skooma quest line. I am told to "return to the Jarl" on the miscellaneous quest section. But nothing happens once I do that, and both the Jarl and the Steward have generic dialogue options (and no quest marker above their heads).

[Nabinkemper]

Apologies if this was already indicated by your previous comments. It's just to clarify the steps completed.

In the quest "The Raid" when you entered the warehouse and killed Sarthis Idren and his minion, you entered the basement, found AND read the note. You then returned to the Jarl. After, you were directed by the Jarl to Cragslane Cavern (Quest changed to "Supply and Demand."

You are required to kill seven members within the Cavern (there are only seven people in the cave, so all must die). The quest then updates and the final step is to return to the Jarl.

Is the above the exact steps taken currently?

If there are no dialog options to confirm with the Jarl that the group at the cave have been killed, yet the quest step says to return to the Jarl, this is certainly strange; especially on a second play-through. It does seem to be mod related.

What does the console command indicate: getstage FreeformRiften01

You mentioned you tried: setstage FreeformRiften01 40
What about completing the quest with: setstage FreeformRiften01 200

(always manually save prior to console commands and roll back if commands do nothing)

[Lampros]

Originally posted by Nabinkemper:

You are required to kill seven members within the Cavern (there are only seven people in the cave, so all must die). The quest then updates and the final step is to return to the Jarl.

Is the above the exact steps taken currently?

If there are no dialog options to confirm with the Jarl that the group at the cave have been killed, yet the quest step says to return to the Jarl, this is certainly strange; especially on a second play-through. It does seem to be mod related.

No; this went through fine. The issue is what happens once I finish the helping Riften folks aspect of the requirement. In the first playthrough, I had it already done; in the current playthrough, I intentionally finished it after the Skooma quest line finished. Either way, you get "Speak to the Jarl" line on the quest line. But once I get there, then nothing happens. That's when I get stuck.

Originally posted by Nabinkemper:

What does the console command indicate: getstage FreeformRiften01

You mentioned you tried: setstage FreeformRiften01 40
What about completing the quest with: setstage FreeformRiften01 200

(always manually save prior to console commands and roll back if commands do nothing)

I think I tried FreeformRiften01 200 as well (but not 100 percent sure), and the line "Speak to the Jarl" on the quest log disappeared. But nothing occurred thereafter.

[Lampros]

Also, I deleted saves from this re-run, too. I've pretty much given up on Riften, and I will try to become a Thane elsewhere the next run.

[Nabinkemper]

No dialog option to buy the Honeyside Manor from the Steward, and no "Is there anything else..." option with the Jarl?

I wonder what your relationship rank is with the Jarl.
To find out, try: getrelationshiprank 00019DEA

A rank of two (confidant) should allow you to purchase property. A rank of three (ally) should allow the Thane quest dialog.

EDIT: Okay then. Sorry we couldn't pinpoint the cause.

[Lampros]

Originally posted by Nabinkemper:

No dialog option to buy the Honeyside Manor from the Steward, and no "Is there anything else..." option with the Jarl?

I wonder what your relationship rank is with the Jarl.
To find out, try: getrelationshiprank 00019DEA

A rank of two (confidant) should allow you to purchase property. A rank of three (ally) should allow the Thane quest dialog.

EDIT: Okay then. Sorry we couldn't pinpoint the cause.

Exactly. No non-ordinary dialogue options from either the Jarl or the Steward.

Perhaps I should've kept the save, but I was so infuriated ;(

Good for future playthroughs though - and thanks.

[Lampros]

As an aside, is the Steward supposed to give any quests for Riften? I've seen none.

[Lampros]

One more tidbit about this:

On these two playthroughs where the Thane of Riften bug appeared, I also ran into another bug I've never seen before. Namely, items were flagged as "stolen" when they are either looted or bought. Another puzzling twist is that they only got flagged as "stolen" when I put them in a chest, not when in my own inventory. This might be a mod issue as well? If so, perhaps it is related to the Thane of Riften quest not triggering, too, perhaps.

[HazakTheMad]

Originally posted by Lampros:

One more tidbit about this:

On these two playthroughs where the Thane of Riften bug appeared, I also ran into another bug I've never seen before. Namely, items were flagged as "stolen" when they are either looted or bought. Another puzzling twist is that they only got flagged as "stolen" when I put them in a chest, not when in my own inventory. This might be a mod issue as well? If so, perhaps it is related to the Thane of Riften quest not triggering, too, perhaps.

The chest thing is a somewhat rare bug invovling ownership flags on chests, essentially
it can bug out and label the stuff as owned by someone else if you don't own the chest.
This either happens with chests owned by an npc or from an un-owned chest.

[Vlad 254]

The game mechanics can be touchy at times. I have a mod that marks items as stolen if I obtain them indoors. Obtain the same item outdoors and it's not. This is not intended to be an explanation of why this happens just an observation, an example. There are many layers to this yet some some never experience any of it. Hey it's Skyrim

[brulis2]

I'm also running into weird bugs with this quest-line. I completed the skooma quests and helped the obligatory five citizens. I was then offered than as well as the option to purchase the house. I purchased the house from the steward and accepted the Thane title, and then I was gifted the Blade of [ ] . In addition, I was not offered a housecarl. I have loaded previous saves but it always comes out the same in the end. I am now going to go back much further in my saves to see if that makes a difference.

I should mention also that I only use the unofficial patch, no other mods.

[Lampros]

Originally posted by brulis2:

I'm also running into weird bugs with this quest-line. I completed the skooma quests and helped the obligatory five citizens. I was then offered than as well as the option to purchase the house. I purchased the house from the steward and accepted the Thane title, and then I was gifted the Blade of [ ] . In addition, I was not offered a housecarl. I have loaded previous saves but it always comes out the same in the end. I am now going to go back much further in my saves to see if that makes a difference.

I should mention also that I only use the unofficial patch, no other mods.

I think quests to become thane/purchase house are glitchy throughout. I was able to become a thane and purchase the Riften house this run - but I had the same issue with Markarth this run. The Jarl of Markarth tells me to ask his steward to buy Vindrell Hall, but the steward gives me no such dialogue. I am not going to try to fix it since I already have Iona, but I am going to assume at least one hold will have this issue every run from henceforth.

[Vlad 254]

Originally posted by Lampros:

I think quests to become thane/purchase house are glitchy throughout. I was able to become a thane and purchase the Riften house this run - but I had the same issue with Markarth this run. The Jarl of Markarth tells me to ask his steward to buy Vindrell Hall, but the steward gives me no such dialogue. I am not going to try to fix it since I already have Iona, but I am going to assume at least one hold will have this issue every run from henceforth.

According to the UESP:
Buying dialogue major bug.
Many people are having problems actually buying the house. There seems to be some significant issues getting the steward to actually give the buy dialogue options. This happens even when all requirements are met such as being level 20+, having good favor with town and jarl, doing all the bounty missions, doing the forsworn mission, etc.

At the end of this there is no way to receive it.

There should be a temporary suggestion made as to how people can simply cheat and use the console to enable the options, or simply update the quest manually to enable the house to be bought and/or furnished. — Unsigned comment by 58.178.222.109 (talk) at 08:14 on 28 November 2011

Edit: here is the solution to people with this bug. It is technically cheating with the console but it should enable players to enjoy the house until the cs is released and we can put together a fix.
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Console command: setstage favor250 20
favor250 is the quest for becoming thane of Markarth
stage 20 is when you have bought a house and done 5/5 objectives.
After becoming thane by talking to the Jarl, you can then talk to his steward, and he will finally sell you a house, for some stupid reason. — Unsigned comment by 58.178.222.109 (talk) at 09:11 on 28 November 2011
I had this crop up yesterday on a new character. I'd done Forsworn Conspiracy and No One Escapes from Cidhna, then after wishing to buy the house from the Jarl the steward only spouted stock phrases with no conversation options. I read farther down this discussion page where someone had done a bounty quest to open things up, so I ran out to the Silver Blood Inn and got a bounty quest, which I completed. Then I went to the steward and got my reward. The steward still wouldn't talk to me about the house, but it did open up the Jarl's conversation options regarding his errands that had to be completed. So, after doing two jobs for him, including recovering the shield, he talked about how buying the house was necessary to be named Thane, and at that point the steward would actually talk about it and sell the house. Anyone else having problems should give this a try. QuillanTalk 17:20, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
This should go on the main page as it fixed it for me doing a bounty quest is a lot cleaner than using the console to advance the thane quest and many thanks.— Unsigned comment by 81.96.166.247 (talk) at 21:56 on 8 February 2012
The console fix did not work for me and I could not get work even from the inn keeper. I checked the state of the quest with "getstage" in the console and it said that it was at stage 200. I have to assume that somewhere, for some reason, it randomly set it there and broke it completely. Maybe someone will put out a fix to keep it from doing that. In the meantime I tried "resetquest favor250," but now it's stuck on stage 0. Both "setstage" and "setobjectivecompleted" do nothing.— Unsigned comment by 71.184.342.12 (talk) at 21:57 on 15 March 2012
Setstage to 10, 15, or 20 isn't enabling any of these options for me, either. I've also tried getting the dungeon-delving quest active, but neither favor157 nor favor250 are accepting my setstage console commands. I have a theory that, to prevent some bug with the Ciddhna mine quest, someone had the game check the stage of the other quests, and then set it to a "pause" stage, that stage being 200; except, if there's two such quests, it's possible for the player to finish the quests without getting it set back to the initial stage. I'll make a post again later if I figure out a way to get it working, but it's not looking good, because the civil war's the FIRST thing I did on this character. 99.111.84.234 06:04, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Turns out although the quests Favor157 and Favor250 were stuck on stage 200 for me for quite some time, they reset after I finished the Taste of Death - the quest whose leadin you get from Brother Verulus. I'd also completed the quest in the Abandoned House, and Escape from Ciddna Mine. After The Taste of Death was completed, the Jarl gave me the Dungeon Delving quest, followed by the thane quest - and receiving the Thane quest triggered Raerek to offer me a chance to buy the house after all. I'm not sure if my experience is typical, but if you're seemingly stuck, unable to become thane or buy the house, try finishing all the other quests you can based in Markarth. 99.111.84.234 09:04, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim_talk:Vlindrel_Hall#Buying_dialogue_major_bug.

[brulis2]

I finally went through the whole thing again and the Blade glitch still showed up, but everything else seemed okay, so I just went with it. I have Iona in the house and the "Blade of [...]" hanging on my wall.