Who is this for?

[Viking Mana]

Hello!

The first thing that struck me when I heard about this, was: Who is this for? Who asked for this?

I'm not here to demean or belittle the product or the original game, I just don't understand how there was ever a need for an updated Skyrim. Out of all the Elder Scrolls games, why remaster the title that still has a huge and very active following, instead of going back and looking at something like Morrowind and doing the "Big Three" in the correct order?

Skyrim was a monumental success, and for many people it's stillt heir go-to game when they want to have fun. It's a flagship-example of what encouraging modding can do to your game and it's longevity, and the original version still, years after release, hold more of an active audience than most modern titles do a month after release.

On top of that, there's the fact that it's being given away for free.

I just don't understand who the intended audience are, and what the point is? Is there any at all? Why not dedicate the kinds of resources that went into this project to a remaster of Morrowing or Fallout 3 instead of remastering a game that's already popular and remains active?

[BinBagLover]

It is an odd one, considering it isn't an old game. However, its the one that makes the most sense.

It sold the most, so it clearly has mass appeal. This update is more for console players, they want to dip into that money pool.

Its still recent so its easy to update with some graphics. ♥♥♥♥, mods have done this already, its a small amount of work for a large return.

Oblivion is basically skyrim alpha, although I personally would have preferred they do it to that one. But its old enough to cost more money to update. Marrowind and going further backward is a completely new game, Skyrim is cheap and easy to cash in on basically.

Skyrim is still their biggest product, even more so than fallout 4. Its still a crappy remaster, the base game was fine with mods, and console players are hardly crying out for a remaster. Just comes across as a cheap cash grab, whilst they have little else coming out that is on par with the Scrolls Fallout series.

[JustOnePepsi]

Originally posted by Viking Mana:

Hello!

The first thing that struck me when I heard about this, was: Who is this for? Who asked for this?

I'm not here to demean or belittle the product or the original game, I just don't understand how there was ever a need for an updated Skyrim. Out of all the Elder Scrolls games, why remaster the title that still has a huge and very active following, instead of going back and looking at something like Morrowind and doing the "Big Three" in the correct order?

Skyrim was a monumental success, and for many people it's stillt heir go-to game when they want to have fun. It's a flagship-example of what encouraging modding can do to your game and it's longevity, and the original version still, years after release, hold more of an active audience than most modern titles do a month after release.

On top of that, there's the fact that it's being given away for free.

I just don't understand who the intended audience are, and what the point is? Is there any at all? Why not dedicate the kinds of resources that went into this project to a remaster of Morrowing or Fallout 3 instead of remastering a game that's already popular and remains active?

Because the resources that went into this are significantly less than the resources that would be required to truly remaster Morrowind or Oblivion.

The intended audience is console players who would like to experience the game at 60fps and 1080p with mods.

[whiskers]

It's an excuse to play skyrim again. I got it for free, and never really played any of the DLC content, so ♥♥♥♥ it why not give it another go?

[Viking Mana]

Originally posted by Дэймон:

It is an odd one, considering it isn't an old game. However, its the one that makes the most sense.

It sold the most, so it clearly has mass appeal. This update is more for console players, they want to dip into that money pool.

Its still recent so its easy to update with some graphics. ♥♥♥♥, mods have done this already, its a small amount of work for a large return.

Oblivion is basically skyrim alpha, although I personally would have preferred they do it to that one. But its old enough to cost more money to update. Marrowind and going further backward is a completely new game, Skyrim is cheap and easy to cash in on basically.

Skyrim is still their biggest product, even more so than fallout 4. Its still a crappy remaster, the base game was fine with mods, and console players are hardly crying out for a remaster. Just comes across as a cheap cash grab, whilst they have little else coming out that is on par with the Scrolls Fallout series.

I see where you're coming from, but the return has to be relatively small considering that the vast majority of PC users with even the slightest interest in Skyrim would probably have gotten it by now. If hey already own it, that then means that they're going to be making virtually no profit on the PC market.

I wonder if there's really such a huge PS4-demand for this game that it was really worth it.

It's just such an odd move. I'm not saying that it's a bad one though. Please don't get me wrong. I just think it's kind of weird. Remastering Fallout 3 or Morrowing in the Skyrim engine, or doing a modern version of the really old games, seems like it would be a free hit in the sense that they wouldn't need to change anything other than a few mechanics and rebuild the world in a new engine. Why they seem to reluctant to do that is beyond me. Free money while keeping their core audience thirsty for more.

Yep, just don't really get why they decided this was better than the quick cash-grab that, let's be honest, ANY Bethesda remaster is bound to be at this point.

[Posivated]

Everything you said is the reason they are remastering it, it will sell millions more on top of what it has already sold and with probably very little work compared to a remaster of morrowind which would be like creating an entire game from ground up. This was a smart move and it isn't the only thing they are working on, this was probably a small team doing this while everyone else was working on Elder Scrolls 6 or whatever big project they have.

[WarWise]

Its simple: Skyrim for Ps4 and Xbox 1 players.
It is a remastered version, just like other games from PS3 to PS4.
Its a money pool bethesda wanted to grab. Remember, every day there is a new kid where xbox 1 or Ps4 is his first console, and he never played skyrim before.

[WarWise]

Originally posted by Posivated:

Everything you said is the reason they are remastering it, it will sell millions more on top of what it has already sold and with probably very little work compared to a remaster of morrowind which would be like creating an entire game from ground up. This was a smart move and it isn't the only thing they are working on, this was probably a small team doing this while everyone else was working on Elder Scrolls 6 or whatever big project they have.

Agreed.
The work was probabily minor, with a potential great profit here. They even get free marketing, with all the memes and times the game shows on sites like 9gag and others.
Anyway, the game was made for current gen consoles. The problem is that current gen consoles are worst current gen pcs, which means that this remastered version isnt as good as it could be on pc.

[Posivated]

Originally posted by WarWise:

Its simple: Skyrim for Ps4 and Xbox 1 players.
It is a remastered version, just like other games from PS3 to PS4.
Its a money pool bethesda wanted to grab. Remember, every day there is a new kid where xbox 1 or Ps4 is his first console, and he never played skyrim before.

True and even I who has 150+ hours on xbox 360 and almost 400 on steam will be playing this on PS4 today.

[Hei Gui]

I asked for this. I am important. Yes.

[Ghostpro71]

Yea Skyrim never released on PS4 or Xbox One so this is great for them as well as PC users that got it for free.

[Lu]

Bethesda can't remaster Morrowind without ruining everything that made the game great to begin with.

Their design goals as well as their target audiences have simply changed too much.

[Posivated]

Originally posted by Marma:

Bethesda can't remaster Morrowind without ruining everything that made the game great to begin with.

Their design goals as well as their target audiences have simply changed too much.

Would disagree, if you have played morroblivion or seen skywind then you might think differently. Morroblivion is fantastic and is morrowind on the oblivion engine and is very much different than origianl morrowind

[Lu]

Originally posted by Posivated:

Originally posted by Marma:

Bethesda can't remaster Morrowind without ruining everything that made the game great to begin with.

Their design goals as well as their target audiences have simply changed too much.

Would disagree, if you have played morroblivion or seen skywind then you might think differently. Morroblivion is fantastic and is morrowind on the oblivion engine and is very much different than origianl morrowind

Skywind is garbage. It's basically Skyrim reskinned to look like Morrowind with none of the features that made Morrowind a superior game. I'm going to assume Morroblivion is the same but with all of Oblivion's flaws instead of Skyrim's.

The thing you have to understand is Morrowind was made primarily for PC gamers who play cRPGs. Oblivion and Skyrim were made for console gamers who play action games. This is the main reason why so many people who started with Oblivion or Skyrim find it hard to go back and play Morrowind. They expect it to be an action game when that was never the developer's goal. A perfect example of what I mean is the fact that you can actually fail based on your character's stats in Morrowind. If your character is bad at archery, they will miss shots even if you the player have placed your crosshair perfectly on a target. This kind of gameplay mechanic is typical of RPGs, yet it's a concept action gamers just don't get and whine about as one of the game's biggest "flaws".

Another thing that made Morrowind so superior to the later TES games was the lack of handholding. You have to actually use your brain to navigate the world instead of just following markers from A to B (this image sums it up nicely https://i.imgur.com/gBlT5Ly.png). If Bethesda remastered Morrowind, they would almost certainly bog it down with all the GPS handholding ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ casual gamers expect from open world games these days.

Also, if Bethesda remade Morrowind they would almost certainly replace all of the written dialogue with full voice acting. That may sound like a good thing, but it's really not. Fully voiced dialogue is perhaps the single worst thing to happen to RPGs. It wastes budgets, particularly when the developers insist on hiring celebrities. It almost always results in significantly less content. It's significantly harder to edit, which not only results in poorer quality writing but also makes it harder for modders to change. The only advantage is a slight increase to immersion, but this is completely negated when NPCs with no depth walk around blurting out the same one liners over and over again.

[Posivated]

Originally posted by Marma:

Originally posted by Posivated:

Would disagree, if you have played morroblivion or seen skywind then you might think differently. Morroblivion is fantastic and is morrowind on the oblivion engine and is very much different than origianl morrowind

Skywind is garbage. It's basically Skyrim reskinned to look like Morrowind with none of the features that made Morrowind a superior game. I'm going to assume Morroblivion is the same but with all of Oblivion's flaws instead of Skyrim's.

The thing you have to understand is Morrowind was made primarily for PC gamers who play cRPGs. Oblivion and Skyrim were made for console gamers who play action games. This is the main reason why so many people who started with Oblivion or Skyrim find it hard to go back and play Morrowind. They expect it to be an action game when that was never the developer's goal. A perfect example of what I mean is the fact that you can actually fail based on your character's stats in Morrowind. If your character is bad at archery, they will miss shots even if you the player have placed your crosshair perfectly on a target. This kind of gameplay mechanic is typical of RPGs, yet it's a concept action gamers just don't get and whine about as one of the game's biggest "flaws".

Another thing that made Morrowind so superior to the later TES games was the lack of handholding. You have to actually use your brain to navigate the world instead of just following markers from A to B (this image sums it up nicely https://i.imgur.com/gBlT5Ly.png). If Bethesda remastered Morrowind, they would almost certainly bog it down with all the GPS handholding ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ casual gamers expect from open world games these days.

Also, if Bethesda remade Morrowind they would almost certainly replace all of the written dialogue with full voice acting. That may sound like a good thing, but it's really not. Fully voiced dialogue is perhaps the single worst thing to happen to RPGs. It wastes budgets, particularly when the developers insist on hiring celebrities. It almost always results in significantly less content. It's significantly harder to edit, which not only results in poorer quality writing but also makes it harder for modders to change. The only advantage is a slight increase to immersion, but this is completely negated when NPCs with no depth walk around blurting out the same one liners over and over again.

Well unless your on the development team of skywind then you have only seen the few trailers they have put out.

[Lu]

Originally posted by Posivated:

Well unless your on the development team of skywind then you have only seen the few trailers they have put out.

It's built using the Skyrim engine. The Skywind FAQ actually states that it will basically play exactly like Skyrim. All of the systems will be the same. It will have Skyrim's fast travel and markers. The combat will almost certainly be the same, etc.