The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition

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The Herta Jan 19, 2021 @ 4:17pm
How to kill The Ideal Masters?
I want to free Durnehviir forever.
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Lady Aeleanor Jan 19, 2021 @ 4:20pm 
You can't.
GrimCat Jan 19, 2021 @ 4:21pm 
You'd have to find them first. There is no option to kill the Ideal Masters.
mikk011 Jan 19, 2021 @ 4:24pm 
The best thing about the Ideal Masters is the notion of them using Ancano as a chew toy after I soul-trap him.
The Herta Jan 19, 2021 @ 4:26pm 
Originally posted by Grim Dolo:
You'd have to find them first. There is no option to kill the Ideal Masters.
Find them? They are that flying stone in Soul Cairn. Aren't destroying those stones will bait them to come out?
fauxpas Jan 19, 2021 @ 4:37pm 
Originally posted by Ais Wallenstein:
Originally posted by Grim Dolo:
You'd have to find them first. There is no option to kill the Ideal Masters.
Find them? They are that flying stone in Soul Cairn. Aren't destroying those stones will bait them to come out?


Those aren't the Ideal Masters anymore than your reflection in a mirror is you.

The Ideal Masters are beyond anything your character can do, you might as well be asking how to kill Talis, or one of the Dreadic Princes.
Last edited by fauxpas; Jan 19, 2021 @ 4:38pm
The Herta Jan 19, 2021 @ 6:23pm 
Originally posted by fauxpas:
Those aren't the Ideal Masters anymore than your reflection in a mirror is you.

The Ideal Masters are beyond anything your character can do, you might as well be asking how to kill Talis, or one of the Dreadic Princes.
So, let me get this straight. I'm coming to their realm (Soul Cairn), killing their army (boneman, mistman, etc), killing their keepers, ruining their plans on claiming Serana's mother soul, "freeing" Durnehviir, and if possible destroying those flying stones, and they will not come after me? Or to make it simple, after I'm trashing your home and pissed you off, you will not come after me? Come on. You can't be serious.

They aren't Daedra and based on wiki, they were mortals. So, it's possible to kill them.

Also, I don't want to kill Daedric Princes because they give me weapons or artifacts and I liked it.
Lady Aeleanor Jan 19, 2021 @ 6:32pm 
Originally posted by Ais Wallenstein:
So, let me get this straight. I'm coming to their realm (Soul Cairn), killing their army (boneman, mistman, etc), killing their keepers, ruining their plans on claiming Serana's mother soul, "freeing" Durnehviir, and if possible destroying those flying stones, and they will not come after me? Or to make it simple, after I'm trashing your home and pissed you off, you will not come after me? Come on. You can't be serious.

They aren't Daedra and based on wiki, they were mortals. So, it's possible to kill them.

Also, I don't want to kill Daedric Princes because they give me weapons or artifacts and I liked it.
We didn't design the game. It's just the way it is. Take it up with Bethesda.
Von Faustien Jan 19, 2021 @ 7:30pm 
Originally posted by Ais Wallenstein:
Originally posted by fauxpas:
Those aren't the Ideal Masters anymore than your reflection in a mirror is you.

The Ideal Masters are beyond anything your character can do, you might as well be asking how to kill Talis, or one of the Dreadic Princes.
So, let me get this straight. I'm coming to their realm (Soul Cairn), killing their army (boneman, mistman, etc), killing their keepers, ruining their plans on claiming Serana's mother soul, "freeing" Durnehviir, and if possible destroying those flying stones, and they will not come after me? Or to make it simple, after I'm trashing your home and pissed you off, you will not come after me? Come on. You can't be serious.

They aren't Daedra and based on wiki, they were mortals. So, it's possible to kill them.

Also, I don't want to kill Daedric Princes because they give me weapons or artifacts and I liked it.

they survived Dagons invasion battlepire and there only intervention to a full blown army wrecking the place was to grant the aprentice passage so he could deal with dagon unimpeded by there undead and soulsucking.

given an deadric army could kill them or draw them into direct action i doubt a single person could.

used to mortal and are mortals isn't the same thing half a dozen of the various gods were mortals and even normal mortals are technically immortal like the deadra are they just get mind wiped in the dream sleeve and shoved in a new baby if unclaimed or sit around in Atherius for a few millinia in an after life plane twiddling there thumbs.

the difference between a deadra and mortal isn't the rebirth its that the deadra keep a sense of self from there prior lives and are conscious about the ♥♥♥♥ that happens in interplaner space and hell some mortals even keep memories. the ashking died liked 5 times and kept coming back... granted he was a demigod avatar or Lorkhan/shor but still
Originally posted by Ais Wallenstein:
Originally posted by fauxpas:
Those aren't the Ideal Masters anymore than your reflection in a mirror is you.

The Ideal Masters are beyond anything your character can do, you might as well be asking how to kill Talis, or one of the Dreadic Princes.
So, let me get this straight. I'm coming to their realm (Soul Cairn), killing their army (boneman, mistman, etc), killing their keepers, ruining their plans on claiming Serana's mother soul, "freeing" Durnehviir, and if possible destroying those flying stones, and they will not come after me? Or to make it simple, after I'm trashing your home and pissed you off, you will not come after me? Come on. You can't be serious.

They aren't Daedra and based on wiki, they were mortals. So, it's possible to kill them.

Also, I don't want to kill Daedric Princes because they give me weapons or artifacts and I liked it.
They WERE mortals, I think, but whatever they are now is essentially unkillable, they have no bodies, and short of multiple Daedric Princes acting in concert (or all the Divines, or the Aedra who banished themselves from the Mundus like Magnus) they are untouchable.

Lorewise I have no idea whether they will bother to come after you, or even if they are able, apart from encouraging Necromancers to attack you in exchange for more power. They are immotal so can afford to wait until you are dead, they can also wait for the dragons to become tempted by their offers, even if it does take Millenia, they are immortal and very patient.
mikaeliby Jan 20, 2021 @ 3:49am 
They have no ability to act on the mortal plain of Nirn. On the other hand, I don´t think they really care what you do. They game people (and dragons) to deal with them in one way or another, and if you manage to get out of it alive, then so be it. They gain nothing from the living.
FauxFurry Jan 20, 2021 @ 6:46am 
End the Kalpa, maybe?
fauxpas Jan 20, 2021 @ 6:47am 
Originally posted by Ais Wallenstein:
Originally posted by fauxpas:
Those aren't the Ideal Masters anymore than your reflection in a mirror is you.

The Ideal Masters are beyond anything your character can do, you might as well be asking how to kill Talis, or one of the Dreadic Princes.
So, let me get this straight. I'm coming to their realm (Soul Cairn), killing their army (boneman, mistman, etc), killing their keepers, ruining their plans on claiming Serana's mother soul, "freeing" Durnehviir, and if possible destroying those flying stones, and they will not come after me? Or to make it simple, after I'm trashing your home and pissed you off, you will not come after me? Come on. You can't be serious.

They aren't Daedra and based on wiki, they were mortals. So, it's possible to kill them.

Also, I don't want to kill Daedric Princes because they give me weapons or artifacts and I liked it.


It's a matter of scale; to them what you call "trashing thier home" and "ruining thier plans" amounts to a young child leaving the milk on a counter and spilling a cup of juice, so yeah, they are beyond anything your character can hope to accomplish.

And as others have pointed out; they used to be mortal, as in past tense.

But if you really wanted to kill them there is a path that would ... possibly be successful; you first have to achieve CHIM, and use that knowledge to research ways of awaking the Sleeping Godhead and as such destroy all of reality.
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fauxpas Jan 20, 2021 @ 6:48am 
Originally posted by FauxFurry:
End the Kalpa, maybe?

Maybe, but if anyone is positioned to step across into the next cycle it's the Ideal Masters.
fauxpas Jan 20, 2021 @ 6:53am 
Oh, there is another option if you believe Kirkwall's more ... weird stories are still canon.


Hijack the magitech time traveling robots from whatever he called his city at the end of time and evade the temporal war long enough to ensure the Ideal Masters never transcend in the first place. 🤷‍♀️


Granted, since we are now dealing with warring temporal factions, your time meddling (and probably your very birth) would almost certainly be undone before you even do it.
Von Faustien Jan 20, 2021 @ 7:36am 
Originally posted by fauxpas:
Originally posted by FauxFurry:
End the Kalpa, maybe?

Maybe, but if anyone is positioned to step across into the next cycle it's the Ideal Masters.
A good point the Hist for sure survived, its implied the Youkodans and Druge did as well so its not a great way to kill the ideal masters.

Originally posted by fauxpas:
Oh, there is another option if you believe Kirkwall's more ... weird stories are still canon.


Hijack the magitech time traveling robots from whatever he called his city at the end of time and evade the temporal war long enough to ensure the Ideal Masters never transcend in the first place. 🤷‍♀️


Granted, since we are now dealing with warring temporal factions, your time meddling (and probably your very birth) would almost certainly be undone before you even do it.

One issue with this is both the Tribunal and Talos are implied to have retconed there own pasts and rather than simply delete the old time line both ended up rembered as part of history. for example the tribunal killed the Nevernerine in timeline A but after useing there stolen divinity to spruce up there past a bit the current version didnt but they and the world still retains memory of the events of timeline A. this is shown in the trial of vivic where he does the wierd impossible to lie thing and states he didnt kill lord neravar well also admitting to it in code in his writting. of course this is kirkbride so grain of salt on its canon staus. on top of that you have dragon brakes which also cause contridictory events to all happen at once.

Id give using time travel to erase the ideal masters a 50/50 shot because even if you did theyd likely just exist as a wierd paradox
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