The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition

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hellatze Jun 5, 2021 @ 1:46pm
why trust gods.
why worship them. i dont trust them, they are so weak. like that akatosh need to sacrifice themself to fight a mere daedra. (or he may have other plan)

even when empire get attacked by thalmor, which lead to gold concordat treaty. do they help empire ?

i doubt so, they didnt actually help you to beat alduin either. the nine divine doing nothing but watching. (and if thalmor actually win, entire human be it worshipper or not will get purged).

or it could possibly, that they only see creation as a toy ?
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hellatze Jun 5, 2021 @ 1:51pm 
another evience. talos doing nothing as his follower getting hunted.
Castyles Jun 5, 2021 @ 2:01pm 
You don't. You just profit.
hellatze Jun 5, 2021 @ 2:39pm 
i guess daedric is better than gods lol
Von Faustien Jun 5, 2021 @ 2:43pm 
the dragon born is divine intervention.

the adric gods are part of mudus they cant directly act outside doing there roles and the deadra are actively blocked.

hence they tend to act via demigod champions and hero's of prophecy like Shezzerines, dragon borns, Hoonding or mankar cameron for a deadric example.

Ackatosh didn't sacrifice himself Martian did had Ackatosh died fighting dagon we'd have had a warp in the west situation like the daggerfall ending.

as for Talos not helping the player is that help the last dragon born is like Tiber septim a dragon born Shezzerine and is thusly direct divine aid by both gods sent to the mortal plane.

if you want a reason to trust them than

1 your an aspect of at least 2 gods
2 if your not following a god with its own plane at death you go to the soul sleeve and your soul is wiped broken down and recycled before being placed in a new body like a pop can being recycled. by worshiping a god you can achieve a kind of immortality and a pass to chill out in an afterlife
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hellatze Jun 5, 2021 @ 3:06pm 
uh no. thalmor still purging talos worshipper, empire still screwed. and you the dragonborn can be evil itself like miraak depend on you playthrough. divine intervention ? more like lazy gods. (i support daedara for oblivion walker achievement, become vampire, etc. and kill a lots of ppl, making me the vile villain)

also why gods bound to mundus ? so that means they are just as powerless ? they are gods. they can do anything without limit.

heck, even a daedra have more effort than gods (like mora). they are very active to manipulate the dragonborn and others to rise of power.

i bet daedara someday can go invading the realm of gods and make them as a slave.
uov Jun 5, 2021 @ 3:36pm 
theres good reason to not want to worship the divines, as you say, this is why the dwemer refused to worship any god (other than the one they made themselves) and why many (including the entire province of morrowind) resort to daedra worship. the daedra can more blatantly show their power and simply demand more respect.

Originally posted by hellatze:
also why gods bound to mundus ? so that means they are just as powerless ? they are gods. they can do anything without limit.
they cannot do anything without limit when bound to the realm of limitation (mundus). the aedric gods are as "dead" as gods can get. their power is shown mostly through influence, time flowing past is the power of akatosh, and wind blowing past is the power of kynareth, this is because they are part of mundus, they dont exist alongside it. this in itself can be a good reason to worship them, by worshipping the aedra you are in a sense thanking them for the world that you have
Von Faustien Jun 5, 2021 @ 3:39pm 
there is no real fundemental diffrence between deadra and Aeadra both are the same type of spirt know as et edra.

the split occurred when Lorkhan asked the various spirits to create mudus IE the mortal plane.

the deadra said no and werent involved the Aeadra said yes and were basicly woven into the fabric of mundus and Nirn some notably magnus and merdia(shes not really a deadra fled and escaped before being drained completely these are the manga gi they basicly run the soul sleave or in meridias case left to go hang out with the deadra. the weaker ones became the Elnofay which in turn became the mortal races and the more powerful ones that didnt escape became the "gods" who than killed Lorkhan for tricking them.

various other version exist with diffrent details but thats the basic one

They arent any more real gods than the deadra are and due to being basically made into the mortal plane most of there power is locked up in the mortal plane and the role they serve. take Alduian for example in his role of the litteral incarnation of the end of the Kalpic cycle he's capable of eating all the other gods, mortals and the various planes but as hes acting outside his role in skyrim and during the dragon war by conquering and not destroying he's got almost none of his real power.

The "gods" beth adric and deadric have very real limits hence why both adera and deadra tend to rely on mortal champions. They also exist outside linear time so its not like events in a mortal timeframe matter to them. Azura was plotting the downfall of the tribinial for the better part of 2 eras before the Nevernerine prohacy was carried out.

Talos is one of the few gods who could act independently as he isnt actually an et adra and not blocked by the ward against oblivion, part of the world like the 8 and he's Achieved CHIM(cosmic enlightenment super powers) but likely doesn't because as whats basically the successor to Lorkhan and Shor he's proably invested in the whole the mortal plane is a test for mortals to improve themselves achive CHIM and eventually Amerath and become new god heads. as hardship is a needed challenge to overcome. this is also why Vivic who had achived godhood outside leeching the heart let the tribual fall and left as he felt the active aid of the living gods had crippled the dunmers progress in achieving. enlightenment.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Psijic_Endeavor

the closest TES has to a capital G omnipotent God is the Godhead is basically Azaroth from the Lovecraft Mythos and in a meta sense Bethesda. next up would be people who pulled off CHIM (tiber septim and Vivic) who know they and reality are a fake dream but are egotistical enough to stay existing and as such can actively edit reality. there basically proto godheads with the idea being Anyone who's achieved CHIM will grow board with reality and leave to start there own dream which is Amaranth.




uov Jun 5, 2021 @ 3:51pm 
just got some minor corrections
Originally posted by Von Faustien:
take Alduian for example in his role of the litteral incarnation of the end of the Kalpic cycle he's capable of eating all the other gods, mortals and the various planes but as hes acting outside his role in skyrim and during the dragon war by conquering and not destroying he's got almost none of his real power.
there is nothing to suggest alduin has less power due to not fulfilling his role, his power is directly correlating to the souls he consumes in sovngarde. also he does not eat all other gods as he cannot eat infinite beings (the daedra), alduin being part of the realm of limitation is limited himself after all, and so only consumes mundus and those that make it up

Talos is one of the few gods who could act independently as he isnt actually an et adra and not blocked by the ward against oblivion, part of the world like the 8 and he's Achieved CHIM(cosmic enlightenment super powers) but likely doesn't because as whats basically the successor to Lorkhan and Shor he's proably invested in the whole the mortal plane is a test for mortals to improve themselves achive CHIM and eventually Amerath and become new god heads. as hardship is a needed challenge to overcome. this is also why Vivic who had achived godhood outside leeching the heart let the tribual fall and left as he felt the active aid of the living gods had crippled the dunmers progress in achieving. enlightenment.
there are many gods who arent an et-ada, like half the aldmeri pantheon who were mortals who ascended to godhood. talos as a god cannot act independently any more than any other aedric god (other than through the void ghost, a mortal with a shred of his (lorkhan's) will)

the closest TES has to a capital G omnipotent God is the Godhead is basically Azaroth from the Lovecraft Mythos and in a meta sense Bethesda. next up would be people who pulled off CHIM (tiber septim and Vivic) who know they and reality are a fake dream but are egotistical enough to stay existing and as such can actively edit reality. there basically proto godheads with the idea being Anyone who's achieved CHIM will grow board with reality and leave to start there own dream which is Amaranth.
the godhead is pretty far from an omnipotent god, nothing happens in the dream as a result of his choice, and at any time the dream could collapse.
people who achieve CHIM cannot quite "actively edit reality", its more like they know the exact process to manipulate reality as they wish. for a real world example, someone with CHIM couldnt magically make a can of soda appear in front of them, but they would know exactly how to shake a vending machine in order to get the soda can to drop for free.
ALSO starting your own dream is not something you do out of boredom, if you were to become the dreamer you would become unconscious, the dream would occur as a result of your mind but you would have no control over it, and it would replace the current dream. Talos had the opportunity to become the dreamer, but refused because he loved the current world too much
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Von Faustien Jun 5, 2021 @ 4:04pm 
I compared the Godhead to lovecrafts blind idiot god Azaroth for a reason. All of reality is its creation even if the god itself is unaware of it and as the creator of reality the godhead is the closest thing TES has to a god in the judo-christian sense of the word even if it lacks the all knowing aspect or really knowing at all.

its not a perfect fit but even if the godhead itself is unaware of its dream it is the most powerfull being in it
hellatze Jun 6, 2021 @ 1:12am 
damn can someone summarize that text. got confused af
uov Jun 6, 2021 @ 2:16am 
Basically aedra and daedra are all the same "type" of being, with the exception of LHKAN (who is limitation) all of these beings are infinitely large.
The difference comes where the aedra are "dead" and the daedra are not. The aedra sacrificed themselves to form mundus, becoming the earthbones. They exist as part of mundus, and are the divine bodies (planets) within it. The reason the aedra seem less powerful is because all their power is dedicated to sustaining mundus, the daedra however are free to use their power as they like.
Neo Jun 6, 2021 @ 5:31am 
Originally posted by hellatze:
uh no. thalmor still purging talos worshipper, empire still screwed. and you the dragonborn can be evil itself like miraak depend on you playthrough. divine intervention ? more like lazy gods. (i support daedara for oblivion walker achievement, become vampire, etc. and kill a lots of ppl, making me the vile villain)

also why gods bound to mundus ? so that means they are just as powerless ? they are gods. they can do anything without limit.

heck, even a daedra have more effort than gods (like mora). they are very active to manipulate the dragonborn and others to rise of power.

i bet daedara someday can go invading the realm of gods and make them as a slave.

Well the Aedra gave much of their power in creating Mundus, so they are greatly weakened. You seem to act like something should only be worthy of respect and worship based on who could beat who in a fight :p But don't forget mortals of Nirn owe everything to the ancestor spirits who put a part of themselves into making their life possible. (Including props to my man Lorkhan)

That's a very human point of view, the elves see it differently, they think Mundus should of never been created because it bound their spirits to the physical reality, but ultimately they still revere the Aedra because they see them as their ancestors and they hope to one day ascend like them.

hellatze Jun 6, 2021 @ 5:48am 
in law of nature the weak got eaten.

therefore beware to worship the weak god, they are food for stronger creature.
lizrdfishr Jun 6, 2021 @ 8:05am 
I dunno about you but I put my faith in me, family and close friends.

Yea though I walk through the Valley of the Shadow of Death, I will fear no Thalmor. For this is MY valley and I am the meanest most evil ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ here.

Welcome to Skyrim. Thalmor go home.
Valden21 Jun 6, 2021 @ 12:53pm 
Originally posted by hellatze:
in law of nature the weak got eaten.

therefore beware to worship the weak god, they are food for stronger creature.

By that logic, the Allessian Rebellion would have failed without even really getting started. But as the history of the setting shows, that didn't happen. Instead, it became an empire that laid the groundwork for the even more successful empires that followed it. Also by that logic, Kynareth, who's potentially the strongest of the Aedra, should be their leader. But she's not; they all willingly acknowledge Akatosh as their ruler.

OP, the biggest reason that the Divines are worshipped is that they give help without asking for anything but prayers and thank-yous, and the existence of the shrines show that they truly care about their worshippers' health and well-being. The Daedra will help you, but their help never comes without a price. 99% of that time, the price is more than mortals can handle, but most of the Daedra don't care.
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